Argentinian blockade of the falklands

Warwiz

New Member
I just came up with the solution to the Falkland crisis and it’s not a military one, nor is it political, it’s more social. Every male on the island has to marry an Argentine woman and every female on the island has to marry an Argentine male. I’ve never been to Argentina, but from what I heard they are a very good looking people. So with the marriages the Falkland will be ruled 50/50 and all profits are share 50/50.

Bless it are the peace makers.........me....:gun
 

swerve

Super Moderator
Places like La Linea de Conception will implode since as much as 90% of the working population works in Gibraltar. .
Firstly: there are no 'places like La Linea de Concepcion'. It's unique. It owes its existence to the presence of Gibraltar.

Secondly, the population of La Linea is 64000, but only 4000 of them (fewer than in 1969, a third of the number in the 1950s) work in Gibraltar, & another 2000 or so are reckoned to derive a living from it. I doubt that the total workforce is only 10% of the population. That 4000 is about a third of the workforce of Gibraltar, which has a population of 28000 or so. Back in the 1950s, Spaniards were a large majority of the workforce. Nowadays, there are also Gibraltarians working in Spain, so there are commuters both ways.

Interestingly, the current number of workers is roughly the population of Gibraltar before the British conquest - and that population almost all moved out.
 

dtwn

New Member
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Ok this is what should happen, Britain gives the Falklands to Argentina and Gibraltar to Spain, and Spain give the two cities in Morocco back to Morocco, Jerusalem is then divided into thirds, 1/3for the Jews. 1/3 for the Christians, and 1/3 to the Muslims, Taiwan goes back to China, Hawaii gets independence and Alaska goes back to Russia.
Then we shall have peace in our time……:gun
Well, strictly speaking, wouldn't it be more of China goes back to Taiwan, rather than the other way around? ;)

Is there any chance of the British offering Argentina some of the oil revenues currently?
 

harryriedl

Active Member
Verified Defense Pro
Well, strictly speaking, wouldn't it be more of China goes back to Taiwan, rather than the other way around? ;)

Is there any chance of the British offering Argentina some of the oil revenues currently?
The British have tried playing nice with many attempts at agreements the last attempt being in 1993 which the argies tore up.

So at present no chance for oil revenue going to Argentina
 

Alonso Quijano

New Member
Firstly: there are no 'places like La Linea de Concepcion'. It's unique. It owes its existence to the presence of Gibraltar.

Secondly, the population of La Linea is 64000, but only 4000 of them (fewer than in 1969, a third of the number in the 1950s) work in Gibraltar, & another 2000 or so are reckoned to derive a living from it. I doubt that the total workforce is only 10% of the population. That 4000 is about a third of the workforce of Gibraltar, which has a population of 28000 or so. Back in the 1950s, Spaniards were a large majority of the workforce. Nowadays, there are also Gibraltarians working in Spain, so there are commuters both ways.

Interestingly, the current number of workers is roughly the population of Gibraltar before the British conquest - and that population almost all moved out.
besides that I know of friends who live in Cadiz, Gibraltar and not fit, is only 6 kilometers a rock ...

and the line of the design is one of the poorest areas of Spain and Cadiz is cheap in all aspects, so many Gibraltarians choose to buy a house in Cadiz and then make his life in Gibraltar.

Gibraltar is a business, just that ...
 

Alonso Quijano

New Member
Argentina's new ballistic missile "GRADICOM" say that you may have a reach of 6000 klm ...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-d81uhYzutE&feature=related]YouTube - PCX 2009 GRADICOM[/ame]
 

TIN MAN

New Member
sorry for all brit lovers, but the time is over, we are not in the 17.th century. Argentina has every right to claim sovereignty. If there are rich oil deposits over there, I believe poor people of argentina should benefit this too.
If they want the oil.....let them come get it :)
 

riksavage

Banned Member
The Argentines have zero legitimate claims over the Falklands, if anything it’s the Spanish who have the only legal case here. It makes me laugh to hear the Argentine Government bang on about the Imperialist / Colonial Brit’s, when 80% of Argentines population comes from Spanish Imperialist / Colonial stock!

The only people who have any say in the current crisis are the Falkland Islanders themselves – end of story. Oil revenue could make them financially independent of either Britain and/or Argentina to make there own decisions about sovereignty.
 

Herodotus

New Member
The Argentines have zero legitimate claims over the Falklands, if anything it’s the Spanish who have the only legal case here. It makes me laugh to hear the Argentine Government bang on about the Imperialist / Colonial Brit’s, when 80% of Argentines population comes from Spanish Imperialist / Colonial stock!

The only people who have any say in the current crisis are the Falkland Islanders themselves – end of story. Oil revenue could make them financially independent of either Britain and/or Argentina to make there own decisions about sovereignty.
Actually this is not quite true. Argentina does have a claim to the islands since it did briefly in the early 19th century control the islands after its independence from Spain. In any case the issue is still disputed , otherwise it would still not be in discussion. The issue becomes how will the dueling claims be resolved.

This is not the only border dispute that Argentina has been involved with. The Beagle Channel dispute in the late 1970s and early 1980s was resolved through papal mediation. Argentina accepted mediation in that case, it seems less likely to accept it over the Malvinas.
 
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Aussie Digger

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Argentina's new ballistic missile "GRADICOM" say that you may have a reach of 6000 klm ...
England's new missile DOES have a range of 2000k's...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzvFZnew41U&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzvFZnew41U&feature=related[/ame]
 

Warwiz

New Member
Looks like there is a new player in the quest for Falkland oil.


Spanish oil firm Repsol to drill near Falkland Islands
The Ocean Guardian oil platform arrived this week
Spanish oil company Repsol is to drill for oil in an area near the Falkland Islands.

It will drill about 200 miles off Argentina's coast by December, "well within Argentinean waters," a spokesman told the BBC.

The move comes as UK oil companies begin to search for oil in the Falklands, despite strong opposition from Argentina.

An oil platform started drilling in Falklands territorial waters this week.

The platform, the Ocean Guardian, has been towed 8,000 miles from the Cromarty Firth in Scotland.

Repsol said it would explore for oil in a "few" wells in the area.

The spokesman said the fields were about 150 to 200 miles west of where the Ocean Guardian is, which is under licence to UK firm Desire Petroleum.

Last year, Repsol bought the Argentine company YPF - the biggest private oil and gas company in Latin America.

Oil row

Argentina claims sovereignty over the Falkland Islands. It invaded them in 1982, before a UK taskforce seized back control in a short war that claimed the lives of 649 Argentine and 255 British service personnel.

Leaders of 32 Latin American and Caribbean countries at a summit in Mexico unanimously backed Argentina over the oil row.

Argentina has formally asked the United Nations to bring the UK into talks over the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands
 

StevoJH

The Bunker Group
Looks like there is a new player in the quest for Falkland oil.


Spanish oil firm Repsol to drill near Falkland Islands
The Ocean Guardian oil platform arrived this week
Spanish oil company Repsol is to drill for oil in an area near the Falkland Islands.

It will drill about 200 miles off Argentina's coast by December, "well within Argentinean waters," a spokesman told the BBC.

The move comes as UK oil companies begin to search for oil in the Falklands, despite strong opposition from Argentina.

An oil platform started drilling in Falklands territorial waters this week.

The platform, the Ocean Guardian, has been towed 8,000 miles from the Cromarty Firth in Scotland.

Repsol said it would explore for oil in a "few" wells in the area.

The spokesman said the fields were about 150 to 200 miles west of where the Ocean Guardian is, which is under licence to UK firm Desire Petroleum.

Last year, Repsol bought the Argentine company YPF - the biggest private oil and gas company in Latin America.

Oil row

Argentina claims sovereignty over the Falkland Islands. It invaded them in 1982, before a UK taskforce seized back control in a short war that claimed the lives of 649 Argentine and 255 British service personnel.

Leaders of 32 Latin American and Caribbean countries at a summit in Mexico unanimously backed Argentina over the oil row.

Argentina has formally asked the United Nations to bring the UK into talks over the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands
Hardly well inside their waters, Sounds like just barely inside the Argentinian EEZ.
 

DEFENCEMASTER05

New Member
What has Argentina got to use to place a blockade to prevent shipping to the Falklands. Argentina has nothing defnce wise, Argentina's defnce capability isn't even up to the standard as it once had in 1982 during the Falklands War. Argentina has no capable strike fighter, and everything else they have is so out dated or retired from service.
 

Kilo 2-3

New Member
Argentina's rhetoric is just that, rhetoric. They've got a rusty saber, and they're rattling it for all it's worth, but I doubt this issue will lead to war or any kind of aggressive military action.

The Armada Argentina is not going to be able to establish and enforce a credible blockade. Their ships and submarines are aging. If the Royal Navy decides to contest the blockade, the Argies are going to be very hard-pressed to enforce it.

The Naval Air Forces have decent maritime patrol capability, but aside from the P-3 Orion, most of its recon aircraft are converted light transports and their loiter time is probably fairly limited. In addition to this, their ability to launch anti-shipping strikes at long combat radii is virtually nil. The still have the Etendards, but they're short-legged creatures and they're getting old.

Airpower-wise, the Fuerza Aerea is in a similar situation: they've got old aircraft capable of operating only at short ranges. If they want to be able to contest the airspace over the Falklands, they're going to need more KC-130s or buy buddy pods for their light light strikers or transports.

If I were Argentina, I'd wait a bit, quietly try to get anti-shipping missiles on my patrol aircraft, try to renovate the surface ships and subs, fix what's broken, make small upgrades where needed. I'd also improve my tactical tanking capability, and get buddy stores on my C-130s and my oldest Skyhawks. Only once these were in place would I attempt a blockade operation

If I was contemplating invasion, I'd do all the measures listed above, as well as buy, borrow, build or improvise landing ships and fast attack transports and train my C-130 crews on high-speed, low-level rough field landings and paratrooper insertion. I'd build upon the work the Army's already doing to improve their mobility, and ensure make sure that my assault units could move fast, hit hard, and fight light.

If Argentina wants to take the Falklands, then they need to build up quietly and quickly, and then strike hard, fast, and unexpectedly. I'd use C-130s, subs, and heloes to get the first waves in, use them to secure LZs and beacheads, then land my main force, using my destroyers and whatever air cover I could get to protect my force.

Once I had the islands, then I'd move my subs to block and harass any RN expeditions and use armed patrol aircraft to damage or sink targets of opportunity.

Now...I doubt Argentina will ever do any of the things I'm proposing.... :)
 

StevoJH

The Bunker Group
Argentina's rhetoric is just that, rhetoric. They've got a rusty saber, and they're rattling it for all it's worth, but I doubt this issue will lead to war or any kind of aggressive military action.

The Armada Argentina is not going to be able to establish and enforce a credible blockade. Their ships and submarines are aging. If the Royal Navy decides to contest the blockade, the Argies are going to be very hard-pressed to enforce it.

The Naval Air Forces have decent maritime patrol capability, but aside from the P-3 Orion, most of its recon aircraft are converted light transports and their loiter time is probably fairly limited. In addition to this, their ability to launch anti-shipping strikes at long combat radii is virtually nil. The still have the Etendards, but they're short-legged creatures and they're getting old.

Airpower-wise, the Fuerza Aerea is in a similar situation: they've got old aircraft capable of operating only at short ranges. If they want to be able to contest the airspace over the Falklands, they're going to need more KC-130s or buy buddy pods for their light light strikers or transports.

If I were Argentina, I'd wait a bit, quietly try to get anti-shipping missiles on my patrol aircraft, try to renovate the surface ships and subs, fix what's broken, make small upgrades where needed. I'd also improve my tactical tanking capability, and get buddy stores on my C-130s and my oldest Skyhawks. Only once these were in place would I attempt a blockade operation

If I was contemplating invasion, I'd do all the measures listed above, as well as buy, borrow, build or improvise landing ships and fast attack transports and train my C-130 crews on high-speed, low-level rough field landings and paratrooper insertion. I'd build upon the work the Army's already doing to improve their mobility, and ensure make sure that my assault units could move fast, hit hard, and fight light.

If Argentina wants to take the Falklands, then they need to build up quietly and quickly, and then strike hard, fast, and unexpectedly. I'd use C-130s, subs, and heloes to get the first waves in, use them to secure LZs and beacheads, then land my main force, using my destroyers and whatever air cover I could get to protect my force.

Once I had the islands, then I'd move my subs to block and harass any RN expeditions and use armed patrol aircraft to damage or sink targets of opportunity.

Now...I doubt Argentina will ever do any of the things I'm proposing.... :)
The only way to build up forces quietly is to put into service assets they already have in reserve, however to man them they need to train more pilots. However the radio traffic from an increased Training tempo would be detected by GCHQ and NSA.

Argentina would have massive problems trying to buy *modern* western equipment from new. As sales from the US have to be approved by the US State Department and i'm fairly sure one of the requirements is that the sale will not cause destabilisation in the Region. Sales of EU equipment is unlikely as most of it has UK involvement except for some french stuff, and they'd have British pressure to stop them selling it.

That leaves basically China and Russia, and like the Western Companies, they would not keep such a sale secret, and even if they tried, Satellite imagery and radio intercepts would give their hand away.

Resulting in the Falklands being reinforced to at least a battalion group size defense force and at least a single squadron of Typhoons, probably with AWAC's.
 

Todjaeger

Potstirrer
The only way to build up forces quietly is to put into service assets they already have in reserve, however to man them they need to train more pilots. However the radio traffic from an increased Training tempo would be detected by GCHQ and NSA.

Argentina would have massive problems trying to buy *modern* western equipment from new. As sales from the US have to be approved by the US State Department and i'm fairly sure one of the requirements is that the sale will not cause destabilisation in the Region. Sales of EU equipment is unlikely as most of it has UK involvement except for some french stuff, and they'd have British pressure to stop them selling it.

That leaves basically China and Russia, and like the Western Companies, they would not keep such a sale secret, and even if they tried, Satellite imagery and radio intercepts would give their hand away.

Resulting in the Falklands being reinforced to at least a battalion group size defense force and at least a single squadron of Typhoons, probably with AWAC's.
Then there is also the whole question of how such purchases would be paid for. Given the economic problems that Argentina has had, it would likely be difficult to fund the purchases needed. That is part of the reason why the military is still largely using the same equipment currently as was utilized back in 1982.

What would likely be far better (and perhaps what Argentina is actually aiming for) is some sort of agreement sharing natural resource exploitation, as the EEZ claim available from the Falkland Islands also overlaps with portions of Argentina's EEZ claims, particularly from Tierra del Fuego.

If there are petroleum deposits offshore, then there would likely be money available to rebuild the Argentine military, but until such resources can be exploited, the military situation would likely be 'as is'.

-Cheers
 

Alonso Quijano

New Member
Looks like there is a new player in the quest for Falkland oil.


Spanish oil firm Repsol to drill near Falkland Islands
The Ocean Guardian oil platform arrived this week
Spanish oil company Repsol is to drill for oil in an area near the Falkland Islands.

It will drill about 200 miles off Argentina's coast by December, "well within Argentinean waters," a spokesman told the BBC.

The move comes as UK oil companies begin to search for oil in the Falklands, despite strong opposition from Argentina.

An oil platform started drilling in Falklands territorial waters this week.

The platform, the Ocean Guardian, has been towed 8,000 miles from the Cromarty Firth in Scotland.

Repsol said it would explore for oil in a "few" wells in the area.

The spokesman said the fields were about 150 to 200 miles west of where the Ocean Guardian is, which is under licence to UK firm Desire Petroleum.

Last year, Repsol bought the Argentine company YPF - the biggest private oil and gas company in Latin America.

Oil row

Argentina claims sovereignty over the Falkland Islands. It invaded them in 1982, before a UK taskforce seized back control in a short war that claimed the lives of 649 Argentine and 255 British service personnel.

Leaders of 32 Latin American and Caribbean countries at a summit in Mexico unanimously backed Argentina over the oil row.

Argentina has formally asked the United Nations to bring the UK into talks over the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands


I said or not said? :rel
 

Alonso Quijano

New Member
Then there is also the whole question of how such purchases would be paid for. Given the economic problems that Argentina has had, it would likely be difficult to fund the purchases needed. That is part of the reason why the military is still largely using the same equipment currently as was utilized back in 1982.

What would likely be far better (and perhaps what Argentina is actually aiming for) is some sort of agreement sharing natural resource exploitation, as the EEZ claim available from the Falkland Islands also overlaps with portions of Argentina's EEZ claims, particularly from Tierra del Fuego.

If there are petroleum deposits offshore, then there would likely be money available to rebuild the Argentine military, but until such resources can be exploited, the military situation would likely be 'as is'.

-Cheers

Spain offered in 2008 to Argentina between 12 and 16 Mirage F-1M almost given away.

the news is 2008:

03/08/2008 (Infodefensa.com) - The government of Rodriguez Zapatero has offered to Argentina the sale of at least a dozen Mirage F-1M advantageous financial conditions to modernize its Air Force, official sources confirmed Infodefensa.com .

The Spanish offer would be between 12 and 16 of these fighter jets during their working life have received various upgrades and represent a significant improvement in the operational capabilities of the Fuerza Aérea Argentina (FAA) for both air interdiction missions, surveillance and control national airspace and ground attack.

Spanish official sources would not specify the conditions under which these aircraft would be transferred but said they are "very favorable" given that is scheduled soon scrapped Spanish Air Force into service over the new Eurofighter 2000 Typhoon ( C-16 in the Spanish name).

The Spanish Mirage F-1M (C-14M Air Force designation) would replace Argentine Mirage IIIEA allocated in the 6th Squadron II. FAA Aviation Brigade located in Tandil, and serve as a temporary solution until Buenos Aires to make a decision about buying a new fighter, which is not expected until 2012.

The incorporation of the Spanish Mirage F-1M, a plane intermediate between the first-generation fighter aircraft Mach 2 (like the F-104) and last (F-18 and Typhoon), the FAA would regain effective control of national airspace, which is currently very difficult to meet the shortage of aircraft and its low degree of operability.

The Spanish Air Force itself on its website says about the F-1 "which means any form of a modern air superiority fighter with secondary capability of ground attack because of his electronic equipment and inertial system."

According to Argentine sources, the FAA was forced during the Summit of Mar del Plata in 2005 and, more recently, during the Mercosur presidential summit in Tucuman to deploy A-4AR Fighting Hawk (A-4M improved) because they were the able to operate only air-air missile AIM-9L Sidewinder provided by the U.S.. The F-1M can be transported 4 air-air missiles of this type and others of this family with which Argentina has.

Due to the delays that led the Eurofighter program, the Spanish Council of Ministers of
June 30, 1995 authorize the modernization of 53 F-1 Mirage F-1CT-standard, at a cost of 17.875 million pesetas, of which 3.835 million were deducted from the sale of 22 Mirage III EDA / DDA former Air Force Pakistan.

With this modernization, these fighters became multirole aircraft, retaining its original air-air capabilities, but incorporating significant ground attack capabilities by incorporating, for example, designated by launching laser weapons.

Like the F-1CT French, Spanish C-14M incorporated a ULISSE inertial navigation system 47 of SAGEM, a central computer M182XR Dassault Electronique, a holographic front presenter (HUD) and a panoramic VE120 TRT TMV630A laser rangefinder, these last two of Thales. The central pylon under the fuselage was also reinforced to keep external auxiliary fuel tank of 2,200 liters.

The upgrade to the standard M gave them the ability to launch the air-sea missile AM-39 Exocet, in the role of maritime attack, missiles and other precision-guided bombs for ground attack role, and the most modern air-to - AIM-9M Sidewinder air-capable every aspect in the roles of interception, air superiority and self-defense.


España ofrece a Argentina cazas Mirage F-1M en condiciones ventajosas para modernizar su Fuerza Aérea - infodefensa.com - Información Defensa y Seguridad
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from what I understand, the sale is cooled and not those fighters arrived to Argentina.
buy them now?
 
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