Argentinian blockade of the falklands

[Neutral Zone]

Well as I predicted on Page 2, Uncle Hugo has stuck his oar in!

BBC News - Chavez makes Falklands plea to 'Queen of England'

The whole issue is still just a bit of posturing. Argentina simply does not have the military capability to invade the Falklands and the Islands are far better defended than in 1982. Obviously the timing of the Argentine decree to impose restrictions on shipping was timed to coincide with this summit. But as mentioned above, while they may support Argentina's claim that doesn't mean that they would be prepared to commit troops to any military adventure.

 

[riksavage]

WARWIZ QUOTE: All the nations you just mentioned are Anglo and Protestant orientated, and they will be digging for oil in an area that is mostly Catholic and Latin, this will cause more anger across Latin America. This is going to get interesting if a massive deposit of oil is found, and Latin nations see themselves as getting poorer and the Anglos richer. This would play right into the hands of leaders like Chavez and friends.[/QUOTE]

There's a reason for this, only a limited number of nations have experience drilling in very, very deep water in poor conditions (North Sea, Gulf of Mexico), it has nothing to do with religion or ethnicity. This exerience is hard earned. Finding oil is one thing, migrating to production is even more complex in deep water - this is where the big players come-in - Exxon, Shell, BP, Chevron etc., most are European or North American.

 

[deniz120]

sorry for all brit lovers, but the time is over, we are not in the 17.th century. Argentina has every right to claim sovereignty. If there are rich oil deposits over there, I believe poor people of argentina should benefit this too.

 

[windscorpion]

Anyone can claim soverignty over anything they like, whether there is any basis in their claim is another matter and i can't see there is much basis in the Argentinian claim over the Falklands as has been discussed at length in this thread.

 

[kev 99]

sorry for all brit lovers, but the time is over, we are not in the 17.th century. Argentina has every right to claim sovereignty. If there are rich oil deposits over there, I believe poor people of argentina should benefit this too.

Based on what? These aren't some empty islands, Falkland Islanders made the islands what they are today, they've been there for 170 years, do you want to just turn back time and treat them like they don't exist? They don't want to be Argentinian they don't even speak the language for the most part.

 

[StevoJH]

sorry for all brit lovers, but the time is over, we are not in the 17.th century. Argentina has every right to claim sovereignty. If there are rich oil deposits over there, I believe poor people of argentina should benefit this too.

On what basis do you think Argentina should Benefit? Its in the EEZ of a UK territory, simple as that. Unless of course Argentina can prove they have a better claim on the Islands then the UK, which they cannot do.

 

[Cailet]

sorry for all brit lovers, but the time is over, we are not in the 17.th century. Argentina has every right to claim sovereignty. If there are rich oil deposits over there, I believe poor people of argentina should benefit this too.

The modern rule is meant to be Self Determination. The Falklands wish to remain British and so they shall remain. If we start admitting claims based on the status quo circa Napoleon then we're gonna see a whole lot of the world being reclaimed by Britain, France and Spain.

Britain agreed to share a percentage of oil revenues with Argentina back in the 90's but Argentina decided rather than try to beat up the price to simply demand the islands again and Britain told them to go climb a tree.

I have nothing against the people or government of Argentina but if they act like children over this matter then they will be treated as such.

 

[deniz120]

On what basis do you think Argentina should Benefit? Its in the EEZ of a UK territory, simple as that. Unless of course Argentina can prove they have a better claim on the Islands then the UK, which they cannot do.

have you ever heard gibraltar? check how two-faced politicians of britain treat the rights of this island's people.

it is same, people call them as british as they really are, but england make every steps to give this island's control to spain for years.

so please stop being so naive, uk doesnt care anything but oil.

 

[kev 99]

have you ever heard gibraltar? check how two-faced politicians of britain treat the rights of this island's people.

it is same, people call them as british as they really are, but england make every steps to give this island's control to spain for years.

so please stop being so naive, uk doesnt care anything but oil.

That's right they treated the islands population so badly they gave them a referendum to determine their nationality, they voted British and the island is staying British, moreover the British Government has stated that it will not enter talks over the sovereignty of the rock without the consent of the Gibraltan Government and people.

 

[Warwiz]

That's right they treated the islands population so badly they gave them a referendum to determine their nationality, they voted British and the island is staying British, moreover the British Government has stated that it will not enter talks over the sovereignty of the rock without the consent of the Gibraltan Government and people.

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Ok this is what should happen, Britain gives the Falklands to Argentina and Gibraltar to Spain, and Spain give the two cities in Morocco back to Morocco, Jerusalem is then divided into thirds, 1/3for the Jews. 1/3 for the Christians, and 1/3 to the Muslims, Taiwan goes back to China, Hawaii gets independence and Alaska goes back to Russia.
Then we shall have peace in our time……:gun

 

[Alonso Quijano]

WARWIZ QUOTE: All the nations you just mentioned are Anglo and Protestant orientated, and they will be digging for oil in an area that is mostly Catholic and Latin, this will cause more anger across Latin America. This is going to get interesting if a massive deposit of oil is found, and Latin nations see themselves as getting poorer and the Anglos richer. This would play right into the hands of leaders like Chavez and friends.

There's a reason for this, only a limited number of nations have experience drilling in very, very deep water in poor conditions (North Sea, Gulf of Mexico), it has nothing to do with religion or ethnicity. This exerience is hard earned. Finding oil is one thing, migrating to production is even more complex in deep water - this is where the big players come-in - Exxon, Shell, BP, Chevron etc., most are European or North American.[/QUOTE]


Argentina has the Spanish company Repsol YPF, in fact "YPF" was the oil company of Argentina.
Repsol YPF you out if needed oil from a meteorite, such as the film "Armagedom"

 

[Alonso Quijano]

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Ok this is what should happen, Britain gives the Falklands to Argentina and Gibraltar to Spain, and Spain give the two cities in Morocco back to Morocco, Jerusalem is then divided into thirds, 1/3for the Jews. 1/3 for the Christians, and 1/3 to the Muslims, Taiwan goes back to China, Hawaii gets independence and Alaska goes back to Russia.
Then we shall have peace in our time……:gun

Gibraltar's case is very different, Gibraltar was a transfer of Philip V in the Treaty of Utrecht following the War of Spanish Succession in the eighteenth century, although very requested in the epoch of the fascist dictatorship of Franco, the reality is that is a tax haven which benefits both British and Spanish, upon his return to government hands over Spanish Gibraltarians would fall all taxes and justice that do not pay now ...
so glad to be Gibraltarian ...

confrontation is the only support for drug trafficking and smuggling by the Gibraltarians, an endless struggle to Spanish police.

 

[Thiel]

Gibraltar's case is very different, Gibraltar was a transfer of Philip V in the Treaty of Utrecht following the War of Spanish Succession in the eighteenth century, although very requested in the epoch of the fascist dictatorship of Franco, the reality is that is a tax haven which benefits both British and Spanish, upon his return to government hands over Spanish Gibraltarians would fall all taxes and justice that do not pay now ...
so glad to be Gibraltarian ...

confrontation is the only support for drug trafficking and smuggling by the Gibraltarians, an endless struggle to Spanish police.

Not to mention that the loss of Gibraltar would leave some 15000 to 40000 people out of jobs. That's not an election winner.

 

[Alonso Quijano]

not lose the job, just have to pay more taxes.
now what we are afraid of Gibraltar is the new law that the EU wants to apply the prohibition, I think that apart from 2011, that there is any kind of tax havens in Europe.
What is clear is that it is an area of convenience, since the majority of Gibraltarians living in Spain, enter gibraltar morning for work and then return home in Cadiz ...

this also make the Spanish ...

 

[fretburner]

Argentinians want the UN to Intervene

I don't see a Falklands War 2. And I think the British will have their way at the end of the day. The people/settlers in the islands would be key.

 

[windscorpion]

The UN has already told them to go away, nicely diplomatically of course, according to the radio this morn.

 

[jaffo4011]

good to see the obama admin backing us up on this..,.,.not!

i really wish the uk govt would try to remember the u.s attitude towards us the next time we enter into a pointless war at their side........

as far as im aware we finally paid back our lend lease debt from the second world war and im really not sure what benefits we receive for licking ass nowadays?

 

[windscorpion]

It is annoying but at the same time it wasn't in the British interest to make this any bigger than it was. I wouldn't be surprised if the Foreign Office preferred the US and EU not to get involved at the moment.

Hopefully the Argentinan government have sated their public demand for tough action, Chavez has enjoyed his daily opportunity to berate the evil west and everyone can just get on with things as normal.

 

[Thiel]

not lose the job, just have to pay more taxes.
now what we are afraid of Gibraltar is the new law that the EU wants to apply the prohibition, I think that apart from 2011, that there is any kind of tax havens in Europe.
What is clear is that it is an area of convenience, since the majority of Gibraltarians living in Spain, enter gibraltar morning for work and then return home in Cadiz ...

this also make the Spanish ...

No, they wouldn't just have to pay more tax. Most, if not all, the Gibraltar based companies are only making a profit because they don't have to pay tax. If you remove that advantage, they'll either go down or have to do some drastic reorganizing. Either way a lot of Spaniards are going to loose their job. And given the economic situation in Andalusia at the moment, they are unlikely to find another one.

Also, the Gibraltarians (IE people with a Gibraltarian (SP?) passport) live in Gibraltar. The ones you are talking about are the Spanish workers who go there to work during the day.
Places like La Linea de Conception will implode since as much as 90% of the working population works in Gibraltar.
So unless you can find a politician willing to run for election with the slogan "I'll put 40,000 people out of their jobs!" it's never going to happen.

 

[Warwiz]

I don't see a Falklands War 2. And I think the British will have their way at the end of the day. The people/settlers in the islands would be key.[/QUOTE]

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Yea, you are probably right, but if oil is found and the UK makes billions of $$$, this might bring more Chavez like leaders to power in LA. They can point and say look the English are stealing our resources…imperialism!!! …..Etc….. They may even get to Obama by saying where is the change? What happen to Yes We Can? It’s best for Argentina to play the victim.