Iraqi Heavy Armor Status Changing

[the road runner]

Iraq more than likely will be flying the F-16 and getting additional M1 series tanks with some advance features including TUSK armor upgrade packages,).

Have to agree .....i see no reason why the US would not sell a version of the F-16 to Iraq.

Iraq has show alot of intrest in the F-16,and with US troops set to leave iraq by 2012,i would hope a contract will be signed soon.

Iraq seeks to buy US-made F-16 fighter jets - Times Online

Iraq aims to buy 18 F-16 fighters in '09 | Reuters

As for M1 Abrams,Iraq has shown intrest aswell....

You never know what santa is going to bring

Regards

 

[Feanor]

What's wrong with the BTR-80? As a (lightly) armored taxi it's quite capable.

 

[cameron200]

Have to agree mate.....i see no reason why the US would not sell a version of the F-16 to Iraq.

Iraq has show alot of intrest in the F-16,and with US troops set to leave iraq by 2012,i would hope a contract will be signed soon.

Iraq seeks to buy US-made F-16 fighter jets - Times Online

Iraq aims to buy 18 F-16 fighters in '09 | Reuters

As for M1 Abrams,Iraq has shown intrest aswell....

You never know what santa is going to bring

Regards

yes i understand they show intrest these reports have been going around for a year they have also shown intrest in 2000 t72m's. but the US is worried about iraq after the pull out after the recent rise in violnce ut shows iraq cant take of it self duo to corrupt military who mainly are shia and loyal to iran. i think migs are on the horizon or if the french agree maybe mirage 2000

 

[Onkel]

yes i understand they show intrest these reports have been going around for a year they have also shown intrest in 2000 t72m's. but the US is worried about iraq after the pull out after the recent rise in violnce ut shows iraq cant take of it self duo to corrupt military who mainly are shia and loyal to iran. i think migs are on the horizon or if the french agree maybe mirage 2000

Do you speculate or have you sources for this?

 

[eckherl]

buddy ive done enough research the fact the us paid most of the money for those weapons from ukranine shows that they are more then happy for iraq to get only eastern block weapons, there are may reasons for that one iraq cant afford most of them even with oil deals that toke place which will take 6 years to take affect and thats if the iraqis dont screw it up. And the secound the us and most of the european nations do not trust iraq yet and that will take years to put right but iraqs worme realation ship with iran and the majority shitte population means that trust will never be there. It is true that u have some us weapons but the reason for that is simple to reduce the number of us soldiers in the citys now that has happaned there is less reasons for the us sell heavey weapons to iraq such as f16 duo to fear it might fall into iranian hands. So sorry to let u know but all recent sighns show that iraq army will still be built with russian and chines weapons lets face it iraq will never be turky or saudi or uae for that matter

For one, I am not your buddy nor anyone elses.

Iraq is not only getting Ukrainian but U.S weapons platforms also, who cares what the monetary arrangements are, do you think that the U.S is the only country that may be contributing to Iraqs cause, my country did a pretty good job of destroying most of Iraqs infrastructure and there is many priorities that are at bay in terms of what needs to be addressed for the sake of the Iraqi people, with that said Iraq is doing pretty good with it`s oil output for funding some of these projects that are currently under way, things will hopefully get better in time. I do not think that the version of F-16 that my country decides to part with will be a show stopper if the Iranians get there hands on one, Iran could quite easily give good old Hugo Chavez a holler if they need information in regards to some of the technologies of that aircraft model. For the Iraqi needs assessment it only makes sense that they go with some of the Russian designed based vehicles, they can get their hands on them rather quickly while the more advanced model purchases are being converted or manufactured, be it from the U.S or anyone else for that matter, I bet that the new Iraq army with support will do just fine regardless of what type of vehicles that they are sporting, you under estimate along with some others that may be on this forum vehicle capability in regards to Russian designed weapons systems, a well trained and structured army would be quite potent and a force to be reckoned with.

 

[eckherl]

What's wrong with the BTR-80? As a (lightly) armored taxi it's quite capable.

There is nothing wrong with it, for urbanized settings or recon missions it is a capable vehicle that will serve a purpose with some countries, this vehicle design can be upgraded also to fit the theater of operations that it will serve in. With that said though I must add that I am not a fan of side mounted exit doors.

 

[eckherl]

Have to agree mate.....i see no reason why the US would not sell a version of the F-16 to Iraq.

Iraq has show alot of intrest in the F-16,and with US troops set to leave iraq by 2012,i would hope a contract will be signed soon.

Iraq seeks to buy US-made F-16 fighter jets - Times Online

Iraq aims to buy 18 F-16 fighters in '09 | Reuters

As for M1 Abrams,Iraq has shown intrest aswell....

You never know what santa is going to bring

Regards

Yes, we are scrambling to lesson our burden and place it with the Iraqis but we will be giving them support for a very long time and rightfully so. I think that by the next month or two we will have a somewhat sketchy picture on the amount of F-16s that will be purchased by Iraq. I know that it was just announced that Turkey is getting additional F-16s and this may extend out on when Iraq will start getting phased in with aircraft and support, if this is even the case.

 

[cameron200]

For one, I am not your buddy nor anyone elses.

Iraq is not only getting Ukrainian but U.S weapons platforms also, who cares what the monetary arrangements are, do you think that the U.S is the only country that may be contributing to Iraqs cause, my country did a pretty good job of destroying most of Iraqs infrastructure and there is many priorities that are at bay in terms of what needs to be addressed for the sake of the Iraqi people, with that said Iraq is doing pretty good with it`s oil output for funding some of these projects that are currently under way, things will hopefully get better in time. I do not think that the version of F-16 that my country decides to part with will be a show stopper if the Iranians get there hands on one, Iran could quite easily give good old Hugo Chavez a holler if they need information in regards to some of the technologies of that aircraft model. For the Iraqi needs assessment it only makes sense that they go with some of the Russian designed based vehicles, they can get their hands on them rather quickly while the more advanced model purchases are being converted or manufactured, be it from the U.S or anyone else for that matter, I bet that the new Iraq army with support will do just fine regardless of what type of vehicles that they are sporting, you under estimate along with some others that may be on this forum vehicle capability in regards to Russian designed weapons systems, a well trained and structured army would be quite potent and a force to be reckoned with.

first of all u can kiss my Expletive deleted, secound of all you live in a dream land let them take of thier own problems and am not saing iran wants the technology am saing they want the jet do u think iraq can pull it self out of the civil war if u do u realy need to get you head out of the clouds those iraqis nd Arabs can never work togather now you think the US government is going to give them weapons

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[sunshin3]

first of all u can kiss my Expletive deleted, secound of all you live in a dream land let them take of thier own problems and am not saing iran wants the technology am saing they want the jet do u think iraq can pull it self out of the civil war if u do u realy need to get you head out of the clouds those iraqis nd Arabs can never work togather now you think the US government is going to give them weapons

I would strongly recommend you re-think that last comment, as well as your tone and style of engagement. eckherl has expertise in armour vehicles and is a war veteran. Whereas you are just an insolent kid. Therefore I strongly urge you to re-think on your mode of engagement on DT. With respect to Iraqi armour, I would read what eckherl says more carefully.

BTW I always enjoy reading his lucid and insightful posts in sharp contrast to your knowledge poor drivel.

 

[cameron200]

I would strongly recommend you re-think that last comment, as well as your tone and style of engagement. eckherl has expertise in armour vehicles and is a war veteran. Whereas you are just an insolent kid. Therefore I strongly urge you to re-think on your mode of engagement on DT. With respect to Iraqi armour, I would read what eckherl says more carefully.

BTW I always enjoy reading his lucid and insightful posts in sharp contrast to your knowledge poor drivel.

is it i realy belive that, it seems every one is a veteran on this sight or maybe just some computer nerds with too much time beside the discussion is between me and him why u getting involved we have a diffrence of opinion so u just mind your own business unless you have some think to add to it

Mod. last warning on how you engage,

 

[the road runner]

is it i realy belive that, it seems every one is a veteran on this sight or maybe just some computer nerds with too much time beside the discussion is between me and him why u getting involved we have a diffrence of opinion so u just mind your own business unless you have some think to add to it

Seems like there is no christmas spirit hear.:heart
Cameron i would think that you would realise that alot of ex service men and women from all over the world have joined this forum.

Im just a civilian who has an intrest in defence matters.
Lucky for me i can ask questions and learn from members who have first hand knowladge.

We should be thankful they take the time out to teach us punters.Also the defence personel are screened by the members hear,so we dont have Sparks or kopp leading the blind.....

Regards

 

[sunshin3]

is it i realy belive that, it seems every one is a veteran on this sight or maybe just some computer nerds with too much time beside the discussion is between me and him why u getting involved we have a diffrence of opinion so u just mind your own business unless you have some think to add to it

His credentials are verified by the Mods on the board. I'm intervening only because you have obviously not read the rules and you are obviously not aware that you are interacting with someone who is in the know. I'm a civilian and female. And even I find your whiny nonsense irritating.

It's a privilege to interact and learn from actual professionals who know what they are talking about. Stop behaving like a child and do the right thing. Behave. IMHO, if you don't like the rules here and tone of other forum members like me, feel free to join other forums and spew your bile there.

His opinion is based on combat experience and years of in-depth work in the relevant field. Therefore his opinion is valued in this forum. OTOH, given the quality of your posts, I really don't give a hoot about your opinion.

 

[gf0012-aust]

it seems every one is a veteran on this sight

Everyone who is a defence professional goes through a validation process. that means they are either confirmed through a contact in the military they work in, through contacts in the defence sector, through official defence and military email addresses, or via their discharge papers

there are any number of people who have come in here and claimed to be ex service, or ex industry and found out to be liars. they're banned for life immediately.

I'd worry about how you present before worrying about the credentials of others who are identified as DefProfs.(blue)

It would be worth your while to note that there are also Senior Members (green) who are also ex industry or ex service and don't want to make it common knowledge.

in short, the quality of debate will be pretty self evident in the end.

also, a number of the Mods (red) and Super Mods (brown) also have either service or industry credentials.

 

[Feanor]

In other words, cameron, stop being rude, and demonstrate some knowledge if you want to argue a point. So far you've made generalized commentary, and opinionated judgement calls that are at odds with what professionals in the field have to say. You've not demonstrated any graps of the subject. Yet you have already demonstrated a rather uncivil approach to discussions, and a complete unwillingness to read what others have to say.

 

[eckherl]

first of all u can kiss my Expletive deleted, secound of all you live in a dream land let them take of thier own problems and am not saing iran wants the technology am saing they want the jet do u think iraq can pull it self out of the civil war if u do u realy need to get you head out of the clouds those iraqis nd Arabs can never work togather now you think the US government is going to give them weapons

Mod Edit: Warning issued. Abide by the forum rules which amongst other things means no derogatory comments about other nations, or other forum members. Also, no using foul language. It is not necessary, does not add weight to ones argument and brings down the quality of discussion. Failure to comply will result in a relatively short stay on DT.
-Preceptor

nfloorl: Again, you keep stating that the U.S will not give them weapons, but we are giving them weapons, Iraq has started training with those weapons.

PS: If that is the worst thing that people will say to me then I am doing pretty good, please calm down.

 

[cameron200]

nfloorl: Again, you keep stating that the U.S will not give them weapons, but we are giving them weapons, Iraq has started training with those weapons.

PS: If that is the worst thing that people will say to me then I am doing pretty good, please calm down.

sorry am not saing the US is not giving weapons, but not or will not give f16 the fact is iraq today was pretty much invaded by iran
AFP: Iraq protests against Iranian takeover of oil well
yet iraqi government did little or nothing do stop this. this shows the corruption and loyalty to prety much a terrorist nation (iran), so do you belive that the US will sell those f16 to a nation whos loyalty is not to iraq but to iran , and this is not my opinion the US governmet has stated many time that the iraqi government is full of iranin loyalist. we may sell them weapons but nothing too important to pose a threat to other nations such as saudi or israel which f16 will do and i know in those little numbers is a small threat but the threat will still be there selling small arms is diffrent to selling fighters or large amount of tanks.

 

[Feanor]

There we go. See? A civil, relatively nuanced, and well founded argument. But the M1 Abrams deal is all but complete. Morever at this point the F-16 is not all that new or impressive, in particular the variant that will get sold to Iraq. So in all honesty. I don't see anything stopping the deal from going through.

 

[cameron200]

There we go. See? A civil, relatively nuanced, and well founded argument. But the M1 Abrams deal is all but complete. Morever at this point the F-16 is not all that new or impressive, in particular the variant that will get sold to Iraq. So in all honesty. I don't see anything stopping the deal from going through.

lol. i agree 110% the f16 is not the best fighter in the world yet is better then most of iran fighters. but if the sell does go though plus moew m1 thanks to a government that in all honesty can turn on us in a blink of a eye just like iran did in 1979. now is our government willing to take that risk i think not even the one of the iraqi minister has stated that they are looking for other fighters as the f16 deal is some what a long shot, now the french, russian and china is willing to sell weapons so maybe iraq will turn to them

 

[Feanor]

In all honesty if Iran does get their hands on some F-16 technology, this will mean little for the balance of power. It will be quite some time before that technology finds it's way into Iranian aircraft, and by the time it does it really won't matter.