Russia tests new missiles
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Found some sources for the number of deployed missiles in 2010.
Naval Technology - Russia to Receive Nuclear Subs and Missiles in 2010
Russia to deploy over 30 nuclear missiles in 2010 | Reuters
The articles claims that three nuclear submarines will join the russian navy in 2010. I wonder what subs that will be. I would think that one more Borei sub and the first Graney attack submarine could be finished by then, but what is the third one?
Naval Technology - Russia to Receive Nuclear Subs and Missiles in 2010
Russia to deploy over 30 nuclear missiles in 2010 | Reuters
The articles claims that three nuclear submarines will join the russian navy in 2010. I wonder what subs that will be. I would think that one more Borei sub and the first Graney attack submarine could be finished by then, but what is the third one?
But the article states 3 Nuclear submarines would enter servce next year, Lada is diesel/electric powerd.
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can someone clarify something for me - even as a test firing (with a dummy warhead) - what are the dangers to the submarine or crew if there is a failed launch and the missile fails to be ejected from the launch platform?
e.g.
-what happens if the missile is being launched underwater and fails to eject - how are the missile tubes designed to handle the water injection from the open missile tube?
-what happens if the missile is ejected but boost stage fails and the missile falls back into the water and sinks down, hitting/landing on the sub
-what happens if the missile is launched from surface (such as typhoon capabilities) - and the same happens (missile fails to boost and falls down back onto the ship)
what type of defense or provisions are there for these types of failures?
what other failures / possibilities are there that have been taken into account, that i may have not thought of?
thanks,
Bingo. I think a round of applause is in order. The Nerpa will be handed over to the VMF before it gets leased to India.
Also our MoD has admitted a failed launch, after the spectacular light show that Norwegians enjoyed recently.
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One thing about the Bulava missile program is that is doesnt seem to be going anywhere.
How many times have the third stage failed now? 3-4 times?
However I doubt that the production can take all the blaim. All other missile like the Topol-M, RS-24 and Sineva seems to be working great without any launchproblems.
How many times have the third stage failed now? 3-4 times?
However I doubt that the production can take all the blaim. All other missile like the Topol-M, RS-24 and Sineva seems to be working great without any launchproblems.
Actually what's so spectacular is that it hasn't been the same parts of the missile failing. First stage has failed. The missile has failed to launch a couple of times. Third stage separation has failed a couple of times. The guidance has failed a couple of times. Now we have fuel leaking out of the missile in mid-flight. Such a huge array of problems when the missile is essentially in final testing stage seems to suggest quality control. Granted I don't know the specifics so it's just my speculation.
Strange that its just the Bulava that has this problems then. The Votkinsk Plant does produce all the other missiles to right?
Exept the Sineva I see. Maybe the Krasnoyarsk Machine-Building Plant should take over the development and production for the Bulava as well.
Plants don't do development. Plants do manufacturing. KBs and Institutes do development. There have also been some official condemnations of the quality issues with the Bulava manufacturing including iirc an investigation into faulty parts supplied. We'll see if it gets anywhere.
Here we go, the fourth Borei submarine suposed to been laid down in december has now been delayed.
This becouse of "organizational and technical reasons."
I`m thinking baluva problems.
Russia delays construction of 4th Borey-class nuclear sub | Top Russian news and analysis online | 'RIA Novosti' newswire
This becouse of "organizational and technical reasons."
I`m thinking baluva problems.
Russia delays construction of 4th Borey-class nuclear sub | Top Russian news and analysis online | 'RIA Novosti' newswire
Too hastily comment. Bulava have some problems in development, but to the date they are just usual development problems, nothing out of order compared to earlier examples of successful developments. Only 12 test launches - usually missiles in development have around 20, and 5-8 of them fail before development comes to final stage.
Mass media makes big thing out of each failed launch - but this is just phenomena of today's news coverage and politic PR. This have little to do with real development problems.
As for other missiles - USSR and USA carry on average around 10 BM launches each, EVERY year to confirm service life and missile readiness. Absolutely most of them are successful.
Seems everyone (in Russia) expected too much from modern development tools and processes, expected smooth development thanks to all that computer modeling and such. Made too much promises. Well, they were wrong and now these promises strike them back. They should have do all this more quiet from beginning. Now it is too late - each fail will be a news header.
We have 12 launches. 1 Fullly successful. 4 sort of successful. The rest utter failures. This doesn't seem normal. I'll go dig up the statistics, if I can find them, on previous ICBM/SLBM development. Also last year Russia carried out iirc 3 ICBM launches, outside of the Bulava program. Not 10.
This is on average. One year somewhat more, another somewhat less. For example year 2004 - 15 launches total.
•December 24: SS-27
•December 22: SS-18
•November 2: SS-25, SS-18
•September 8: SS-N-23, SS-N-18
•August 11: SS-19
•June 29: SS-N-23, SS-18
•April 20: SS-27
•March 17: SS-N-23 (2 missiles)
•February 12: SS-19 (2 missiles), SS-27
Basically, about half missiles ever manufactured are fired in test launches - just becouse it is cheaper to "test" them than to scrap them near they service life end.
As for 2009 laucnhes... just out of my mind - 2 "Sineva" launches in last big exercise, 1 "Topol" launch in April and 1 week ago,. so already 4. There were surely more, i just dont want to dig for it. In 2008 russian MOD said there will be around 20 ICBM test launches in 2009.
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