Russian/East European MILES system?

[Waylander]

The US Army is using the MILES system for training purposes and most western armies use similar systems.
IIRC China is also using such a system.

But what about Russia and other eastern european countries?
Do they have a similar system? I have never seen such a thing from pictures of Russian training maneuvers but that doesn't mean such a system doesn't exists.

Any help is appreciated.

 

[Feanor]

None that I know of. I'll do some looking around though.

 

[Waylander]

Thank you for your efforts!

I also hope for our other east european members.

If there aren't even plans to introduce such a system I would be a little bit surprised.
These simulation systems offer so much compared to old school training technics with referees shouting "pow, you are dead".

 

[eckherl]

Thank you for your efforts!

I also hope for our other east european members.

If there aren't even plans to introduce such a system I would be a little bit surprised.
These simulation systems offer so much compared to old school training technics with referees shouting "pow, you are dead".

Well sorry, you are most likely to hear POW, BANG BANG. No such MILES system is used by Russia or other Eastern European countries for vehicles, exception being the ones that have crossed over to NATO.

 

[Waylander]

Thanks.

I assumed that as I have never seen such a system in Russian hands but one should think that by now the Russians at least plan to integrate such a system.
I know it isn't cheap but IMO the advantages it offers far outweight the costs.
Maybe the reduction in troops levels and equipment which is currently done in Russia leads the way to integrating more modern training technics.

What about simulators.
Many nations operate simulators for their armies be it for several vehicles or for small arms/infantry support weapons.

 

[eckherl]

Thanks.

I assumed that as I have never seen such a system in Russian hands but one should think that by now the Russians at least plan to integrate such a system.
I know it isn't cheap but IMO the advantages it offers far outweight the costs.
Maybe the reduction in troops levels and equipment which is currently done in Russia leads the way to integrating more modern training technics.

What about simulators.
Many nations operate simulators for their armies be it for several vehicles or for small arms/infantry support weapons.

Agreed, they are making great strides in the quality of their down sized force structure by offering incentives for soldiers at all levels to make soldiering a career, I would think some of this incentive will come from good structured training based around the best equipment that Russia can field. It would not surprise me to see such MILES devces in use in the near future.

They do utilize primative UCOFT type training simulators for their tank crews along with sub caliber devices. I recently read a report that discussed T-90SA training that Algerian tank crews were conducting with Russian advisors utilizing computer simulators.

 

[Feanor]

Vehicle training simulators were developed relatively recently and are being integrated into the new brigade structure, as part of their standard equipment.

 

[OPSSG]

I know it isn't cheap but IMO the advantages it offers far outweight the costs.

Off topic: Brings back memories. I started using MILES in the late '80s. Once I moved near a lamp post and for some strange reason, it was triggered (i.e. I was technically declared dead). I was really angry and complained about it's random activation to my exercise controller.

 

[eckherl]

Off topic: Brings back memories. I started using MILES in the late '80s. Once I moved near a lamp post and for some strange reason, it was triggered (i.e. I was technically declared dead). I was really angry and complained about it's random activation to my exercise controller.

What! you did not have a green magic your healed key.

 

[OPSSG]

What! you did not have a green magic your healed key.

For us, the magic healed key was not green in colour, IIRC. Anyway, I figured out a way to beat the system from then on. And voila no more lamp post activation.

 

[Waylander]

@Eckherl
What does UCOFT stand for?

@Feanor
For which vehicles are they integrating the new simulators?

 

[eckherl]

@Eckherl
What does UCOFT stand for?

@Feanor
For which vehicles are they integrating the new simulators?

Unit Conduct Of Fire Trainer,

 

[Waylander]

Thanks.
Now that you say it I think I remember that you explained this to me maybe 1-2 years ago...:dodgy

Good simulators are defenitely very good in bringing crews up to a certain level before one starts to play on the range/in a maneuver and to constantly train certain battle drills without having to pay alot for training on the real thing.

BTW, does anybody here has played with different MILES like systems or simulators and might want to compare them?

 

[Feanor]

@Eckherl
What does UCOFT stand for?

@Feanor
For which vehicles are they integrating the new simulators?

I know there are ones for the BMP-3, T-90, T-80, and T-72. These are not organically part of the brigade, but I know they were developed, and purchased (in unknown quantities) some time ago. There are also training equipment in anti-tank btlns in motor-rifles brigades. I'm assuming those are for the Sprut-SD SP anti tank guns. There's also some in the Missile-air-defense btlns, and air-defense btlns, probably for the Tors, Strela-10s, and Tunguskas. That's all I know of simulators. And they're not on the vehicles as far as I can tell, they're separate pieces of equipment or at least are listed as such.

 

[Waylander]

Thanks again.

 

[eckherl]

Thanks again.

This is nothing knew, Russia has been using them since the cold war era. You may want to research RUAG and KMDB also, both companies cater simulator designs for Eastern block weapons systems.