The Cougar should last longer without overhauls as its engine has a higher MTBF than its Russian equivalent. For countries like India and China, this is no problem as they already have the ground insfrastructre to support their Mil-17s. Whilst certainly cheaper to procure operatings cost in the long run would be higher. Unless I'm mistaken, the same applies to the MKMs, compared to the Hornets. Though I would have prefered the Merlin due to its larger capacity, longer range and rear ramp, I believe the Cougar was the better option due to Eurocopter already having a servicing/overhaul centre in Malaysia. Eurocopter also announced in February that it was setting up a regional simulator in Malaysia for Puma/Cougar users. The next headache for the RMAF and the treasury will be finding a replacement for the Aloutte 111s in the near future.
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For the venerable Alouette III replacement, they should just stick with the same aircraft that Army air wing has chosen, the LUH/LOH 109 from AW. It makes best sense. Given the proliferation of that platform in commercial service in the region and fact that one of the services already operates the type, it would make best financial and logistical sense. It is quite a capable type and already chosen by many countries armed forces.
Guys, there is a June 2009 PDF article by Journal of Politics and Law on ' The Impact of Singapore’s Military Development on Malaysia’s Security'. I note that there are a number of factual errors in this article, like a reference to the RSAF using 'aircrafts with Dassault Aviation Rafale technology' (which is clearly wrong).
In particular, if we think interms of security threat analysis - Malaysia's assessment of threat will determine the RMAF's priority of purchase. How should RMAF prioritise its future purchases?
Any comments on the above article?
In particular, if we think interms of security threat analysis - Malaysia's assessment of threat will determine the RMAF's priority of purchase. How should RMAF prioritise its future purchases?
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I wouldn't be placing too much emphasis on an article written by a Malaysian university, the paper despite talking about MAF strategy doesn't even quote anyone from MAF about it though my friend Ahmad Ghazali who's quoted there is a retired Lt. Col and currently working with the National Defence University. The factual errors are another problem also apart from the grammar. Currently the MAF priority is (apart from replacing aging equipment) focused on ensuring that it's disparate assets and forces can communicate and coordinate effectively along with increasing it's surveillance capabilities.
Dzirhan, I'm curious, if it was up to you, what platform would you choose for the RMAF's next MRCA squadron? I have always felt, from a logistics point of view that the logical option would be another batch of SU-30MKM's. Is this your feeling too? Or do the RMAF boys have other plans? Thank you in advance.
if it was up to me, I'll ask the RMAF what they actually think is their best option
. To be honest until the pilot production problem is resolved, talk of additional fighters is somewhat moot (particularly with SU-30s taking up two and so would the F version of the Superhornet if we chose that). If you go for more of same type, then it might make sense on the face of it for more MKMs but support wise the MKMs may be problematic, the RMAF and the Russians seem to have problems working together on that and the integration is still ongoing.
. To be honest until the pilot production problem is resolved, talk of additional fighters is somewhat moot (particularly with SU-30s taking up two and so would the F version of the Superhornet if we chose that). If you go for more of same type, then it might make sense on the face of it for more MKMs but support wise the MKMs may be problematic, the RMAF and the Russians seem to have problems working together on that and the integration is still ongoing.Do any of you know the itinerary of the thunderbirds/RMAF airshow in Subang airport this friday and saturday?
What time will the show start and will there be a static display of the RMAF planes and what other air/force will be taking part?
Also what is the occasion anyways?
BTW on the topic, couldn't RMAF go for the single seat Sukhoi's in the MKM version? The new Su 35 Avionics allows the multirole functions to be handled by a single pilot. Since the planes are of the same type.. a mix of the 2 types would it be too heavy on the logistics?
What time will the show start and will there be a static display of the RMAF planes and what other air/force will be taking part?
Also what is the occasion anyways?
BTW on the topic, couldn't RMAF go for the single seat Sukhoi's in the MKM version? The new Su 35 Avionics allows the multirole functions to be handled by a single pilot. Since the planes are of the same type.. a mix of the 2 types would it be too heavy on the logistics?
Nvm, I got it. I think its from Dzirhan.
Itinerary provided by RMAF PR Department courtesy of Pirate, Alert5.
1. 1ST Oct 09 (Thursday).
1200H – Arrival of 2 X C17 at Subang Air Base.
1430H -1500H – Arrival of 8 X F16.
- Arrival of 2 X KC135 Tanker.
2. 2nd Oct 09 (Friday).
Practice Day / Media.
0900H – Final Planning Meeting.
- Base Opened Day. (Armed forces & Embassy Staff)
1030H -1100H – C17 Demonstration.
1100H -1130H – Shukoi Air Show.
1130H -1230H – Thunderbirds Air Show. (Fly Over Twin Tower)
1200H – F16 fly-by with Chief of Armed Forces.
3. 3rd Oct 09 (Saturday).
Actual Day / Open for Public.
0900H – Base Open Crowd.
0915H – Arrival of Guests.
0930H – Arrival of Chief of RMAF.
0945H – Arrival of Chief of Armed Forces.
1000H – Arrival of Diplomats.
1015H – Arrival of Dignitaries.
1030H -1100H – C17 Demonstration.
1100H -1130H – Sukhoi Air Show.
1130H -1230H – Thunderbirds Air Show.
1245H -1300H – Autograph Signing by Thunderbirds Crew.
1300H – VVIP & pilot Photography session.
Lunch.
1400H – Programme End.
Just wanna know will there be static display by RMAF sukhois in the show??
Itinerary provided by RMAF PR Department courtesy of Pirate, Alert5.
1. 1ST Oct 09 (Thursday).
1200H – Arrival of 2 X C17 at Subang Air Base.
1430H -1500H – Arrival of 8 X F16.
- Arrival of 2 X KC135 Tanker.
2. 2nd Oct 09 (Friday).
Practice Day / Media.
0900H – Final Planning Meeting.
- Base Opened Day. (Armed forces & Embassy Staff)
1030H -1100H – C17 Demonstration.
1100H -1130H – Shukoi Air Show.
1130H -1230H – Thunderbirds Air Show. (Fly Over Twin Tower)
1200H – F16 fly-by with Chief of Armed Forces.
3. 3rd Oct 09 (Saturday).
Actual Day / Open for Public.
0900H – Base Open Crowd.
0915H – Arrival of Guests.
0930H – Arrival of Chief of RMAF.
0945H – Arrival of Chief of Armed Forces.
1000H – Arrival of Diplomats.
1015H – Arrival of Dignitaries.
1030H -1100H – C17 Demonstration.
1100H -1130H – Sukhoi Air Show.
1130H -1230H – Thunderbirds Air Show.
1245H -1300H – Autograph Signing by Thunderbirds Crew.
1300H – VVIP & pilot Photography session.
Lunch.
1400H – Programme End.
Just wanna know will there be static display by RMAF sukhois in the show??
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Malaysian Mig's to stay on and wont be retired. Apparently the logistics problem is more due to the middlemen dealing compared to russian logistics support according to this article.
Malaysian Defence Blog Archive Mig-29N and the Middlemen Mafia
Malaysian Defence Blog Archive Mig-29N and the Middlemen Mafia
The paper ' The Impact of Singapore’s Military Development on Malaysia’s Security' may have been badly written and flawed in some aspects, but in my humble opinion it has got something right- Indonesia continues to pose a security challenge to Malaysia, as it has for the past few decades. Despite the ups and downs in relations with Singapore, which Malaysia has much in common in terms of history, culture and economics, ties with Indonesia have always been more problematic. Over the years, the Malaysian government has gone out of its way to mantain good relations with it large neighbour. Until recently, the 'Confrontation', was almost never mentioned in the Malaysian press.
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IMO, RMAF did not the ideas of having single engine fighter. That's why RMAF choosed Mig29's, SU30MKM's and the famous bugs. I don'w why, may be reliability issue. But more engines means more money. Just my opinion.
Is there any news on when at least RMAF plans to follow up the second batch of SU 30 MKM's?
India is already planning on an upgrade for their batch of SU 30 MKI's which is the same mould from where the MKM came from.
If the gov continues with its current style of spending a liltle bit on everything on a rotary basis, by the time it gets back to the SU 30, the initial batch planes would be outdated and they will have to look at upgrades together with a new batch of planes.
I think the MAF should consider overlooking the replacement of the burnt RMN ship for now and concentrate on completing the air force capabilities, that is the second batch of SU 30's and AWACS by selling off the MiG 29's. If possible also look at replacing the bugs with the superbugs.
This will certainly give the MAF more capable air supremacy against potential adversaries in the region during this troubled times. Any potential adversaries would have to deal with an overwhelming capability in the air by MAF if a country wants to think about attacking Malaysia.
That I think will certainly buy us more time b4 we go back to the round robin method of upgrading the MAF.
India is already planning on an upgrade for their batch of SU 30 MKI's which is the same mould from where the MKM came from.
If the gov continues with its current style of spending a liltle bit on everything on a rotary basis, by the time it gets back to the SU 30, the initial batch planes would be outdated and they will have to look at upgrades together with a new batch of planes.
I think the MAF should consider overlooking the replacement of the burnt RMN ship for now and concentrate on completing the air force capabilities, that is the second batch of SU 30's and AWACS by selling off the MiG 29's. If possible also look at replacing the bugs with the superbugs.
This will certainly give the MAF more capable air supremacy against potential adversaries in the region during this troubled times. Any potential adversaries would have to deal with an overwhelming capability in the air by MAF if a country wants to think about attacking Malaysia.
That I think will certainly buy us more time b4 we go back to the round robin method of upgrading the MAF.
It makes sense for Rosoboronexport State Corp, if they can make it happen, given that we have people telling us that the RMAF is not delighted with the service provided, thus far. The Russians are smart, the more Malaysia buys, the more incentive Indonesia will have in buying more (to see if the Russians can get a little Maritime Southeast Asia arms race going on).
Link to the relevant Tempur article here.
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genduthijau
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IMO MAF should upgrade their SAM capabilities. Current capabilities are restricted to SHORADS and VSHORADS. A battery or two of S300-PMU1 could do the job just fine. But then again there will be integration issues. Any aggressor would think twice if such asset are made avalaible and operational in Malaysia.
But then come the money issue. Do Malaysia have the cash and resources to operate and maintain the system?
I know there is a debate on using those SAM as opposed to acquiring expensive Air Force, but I do not think that is the right way to go. While SAM's are important defensive equipments, we cannot forgo the jets in protecting the country. These jets are more flexible, and be able to serve both the defensive and offensive role when need arises.