Australia chooses to Spanish shipping NAVANTIA.

[PeterM]

The BAC is a supply ship in combat.

http://servicios.lavozdigital.es/graficos/bac.jpg

is 174 meters in length and I understand that the lead Scomber.

Here you have an item:

Spain's SCOMBA common core combat system prepares to take command - Jane's International Defence Review

UK was interested in this ship and Navantia was submitted to the contest but never win NAVANTIA because the British were concerned that their vessels are manufactured 100% in UK to give more jobs.

The BAC looks interesting, is there any information available in english?

 

[Alonso Quijano]

The BAC looks interesting, is there any information available in english?

I have no link in English but you can translate English into their characters.

"... The Ship Supply in Battle (BAC) Cantabria is a logistic supply vessel belonging to the Spanish Armada that will be used to supply fuel, food, ammunition and spare the rest of the fleet.

The project

The ship is under construction by the company Navantia, was launched on July 21, 2008 [3] and is scheduled for delivery in September 2009 with its budget of 228 million euros.

The BAC Cantabria was designed to be capable of responding to the following missions:

* Logistics support to the operational Navy.
* Logistical support to an Expeditionary Force missions Proyección Estratégica, including support for the Landing Force.
* Transport on land once.
* Logistical support to military operations not including humanitarian aid and environmental protection.

Features

The vessel will have a double hull fuel storage area, observing the legislation on marine pollution, even though such legislation is applicable to civilian vessels, but is not mandatory for the military. It also may serve up to three ships at once.

This ship can carry three helicopters means (AB212) or two heavy (NH90/SH3D) for vertical supply and other operations.

In addition, the vessel will have a complete hospital facility with a capacity of ten beds, an operating room fully equipped with facility for conducting telemedicine videoconference, an X-ray room, dental consultation, laboratory sterilization, medical and central gases.

It will be a ship with a high capacity communications and be the first vessel to install the new generation of combat system of the Spanish Armada, Scomber.

Also available:

* 4 double bunkering stations (solid and liquid) through the side
* 1 supply station DFM stern
* VERTREP
* 8-bed capacity hospital
* Means of combating pollution spill ... "

 

[swerve]

The BAC looks interesting, is there any information available in english?

Always look on the Armada website. It has excellent information in English - BAC Cantabria

 

[PeterM]

Always look on the Armada website. It has excellent information in English - BAC Cantabria

Thanks for that.

The BAC looks interesting, presumably it will be one option the RAN has for the replacement of HMAS Success when that program gets underway in a few years time.

 

[Systems Adict]

The BAC is a supply ship in combat.

http://servicios.lavozdigital.es/graficos/bac.jpg

is 174 meters in length and I understand that the lead Scomber.

Here you have an item:

Spain's SCOMBA common core combat system prepares to take command - Jane's International Defence Review

UK was interested in this ship and Navantia was submitted to the contest but never win NAVANTIA because the British were concerned that their vessels are manufactured 100% in UK to give more jobs.

Mmm...

The BAC looks similar (in some respects), to the FORT VICTORIA class RFA's that the UK had built in the late 80's / early 90's

RFA Fort Victoria Class Fleet Replenishment Ships - Naval Technology

However, it seems to be more like the MARS project that the UK RFA / RN are still designing & agreeing...(see the BMT Design)

Navy Matters | Military Afloat Reach and Sustainability

With the political & financial turmoil affecting the UK, it may be some time before these ships actually hit the water...


SA

 

[Unicorn]

did not know that Australia had the submarine S-80 as a possible purchase.

:dbanana

They don't.

It is not suitable for the Australian requirement, which is not intended to place a submarine in service before 2025 anyway.

The only off-the-shelf submarine that meets the RAN requirement at the moment is a Virginia class SSN, and nuclear propulsion is not feasible in the Australian political context.

The Cantabria class may be in the running for the AOR replacement.

Unicorn

 

[StevoJH]

They don't.

It is not suitable for the Australian requirement, which is not intended to place a submarine in service before 2025 anyway.

The only off-the-shelf submarine that meets the RAN requirement at the moment is a Virginia class SSN, and nuclear propulsion is not feasible in the Australian political context.

The Cantabria class may be in the running for the AOR replacement.

Unicorn

Astute might fit the requirement as well, but has the same problem as Virginia.

 

[Alonso Quijano]

Spain 8x8 vehicles now need 300.
one of the favorite by the Spanish government is the Australian company Thales.
Some analysts have liked to see the inclusion of Thales a "political gesture" to Australia, a country with significant portfolio of naval programs of crucial importance to the public Spanish shipyards Navantia.

Spain is amazing to hold a special military relationship with our antipodes.

 

[StevoJH]

Spain 8x8 vehicles now need 300.
one of the favorite by the Spanish government is the Australian company Thales.
Some analysts have liked to see the inclusion of Thales a "political gesture" to Australia, a country with significant portfolio of naval programs of crucial importance to the public Spanish shipyards Navantia.

Spain is amazing to hold a special military relationship with our antipodes.

That would be Thales of France, i don't believe that the subsidiary Thales Australia has any 8x8 Vehicles on offer. Thales does produce the 4x 4 Bushmaster IMV in service in Afghanistan with Australia and the Netherlands though.

 

[Alonso Quijano]

That would be Thales of France, i don't believe that the subsidiary Thales Australia has any 8x8 Vehicles on offer. Thales does produce the 4x 4 Bushmaster IMV in service in Afghanistan with Australia and the Netherlands though.

may try to make a new one.

These selected companies are:

Italian consortium Iveco-Oto Melara
German Krauss Maffei Wegman (KMW)
NEXT France,
Finland's Patria
Britain's BAE Systems Hagglunds,
Australian Thales Australia,
American General Purpose Vehicles (GPV) and
Santa Barbara Sistemas (SBS), a company belonging to the Spanish American group General Dynamics.

 

[Alonso Quijano]

hello..!
there are the
Regarding the frigates, three (possibly four) Hobart class destroyers will be built to a design based on the F100 class frigates. the 8 ANZAC replacements might be based on the Hobarts, but i'm fairly sure Canberra purchased the rights to the design, meaning that Navienta might not have much involvement in that project at all, even if the hobart design was used as the start point.

The Landing craft are for the two Canberra class LHD's, which are basically JCI class ships.
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Hobart class are based on the new Spanish frigate F-105 and possibly the F-106.
it is true that Australia and bought the rights to be built in Australia, but that costs money and I imagine that Spanish engineers involved in building the ship.
the success of this ship is to mount the AEGIS system on a boat rather smaller than the Americans.

you translate an article:

The F-105 frigate, which at this point no official name yet, but presumably could correspond "Roger de Lauria, originally intended to name the F-102, the physical construction began June 29, 2007, with the landmark Cutting sheet metal yard in Ferrol.

In October 2007, held the first review of the Functional Design documentation (PDR), which covers the modifications and improvements compared to the first series of frigates, a preliminary step towards defining detail of the ship, whose keel is scheduled to start February 2009, with delivery scheduled in July 2012.

The series' Hobart '

For its part, the design for the Royal Australian Navy is still essentially the amendment in the F-105 with regard to his sisters, with necessary modifications and space systems to accommodate the operational requirements of the Australians, and the equipment and systems of origin itself.

Three-dimensional models

Pending a more detailed analysis in the charts attached are identified and some superficial differences of the new vessels F-105/AWD compared to their predecessors.

The most significant change in the profile of the ship is redesigning the chimney bow higher than the initial F-100, but without becoming guiahumos the plate that was finally adopted in these vessels. It also re-exit of smoke from diesel engines.

The other change singular, this time in the profile of the AWD, is the new design of the stern to accommodate the equipment sound VDS / TAS.

CIWS striking presence of equipment, specifically two small-caliber cannons flank the combo of the F-105. In the Australian model, plus three Typhoon guns of Israeli origin, is also a Vulcan Phalanx mount a corridor on the helicopter hangar, which will have space for two aircraft.

In the three-dimensional model capitalizes on the Australian ship was estimated by rotating radar HSR (Horizon Search Radar) on the mast to support the AN/Spy-1D (V). In the Spanish model this function is entrusted to two radars Aries Indra also discernible in the graph of the F-105.

Here you can see 3D images of the new F-105 and Hobart:

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the new F-105, F-106 and Hobart, will be improved versions of the F-100 (F-101, F-102, F-103, F-104)

frigates will be the best of the world.

 

[OzObserver]

Should be good ships. Remains to be seen if they will be the best.

 

[Navor86]

But why is this article talking about 10 Frigattes? 8 ANZAC Replacements plus what else?

 

[Alonso Quijano]

Should be good ships. Remains to be seen if they will be the best.

I think it is best to be a frigate that has all the qualities of a system with AEGIS destroyer.
will be the best at least for a while, till someone does something better.

 

[Alonso Quijano]

But why is this article talking about 10 Frigattes? 8 ANZAC Replacements plus what else?

Spain will take 5-6 frigates F-100 and then pass to the study of future F-110 to renew our F-80.

I think Australia will have 3 Hobart.

10??? :unknown

 

[blueorchid]

The following is the state of play with the Hobart Class of destroyers:-



From the Air Warfare Destroyer Alliance site:-



http://www.ausawd.com/content.aspx?p=97



The Hobart Class - Differences from the F100 Class

Navantia’s F104 ship design is the basis for the AWD. The F104 baseline is being updated for AWD to include;​

• Key F105 features,
• Australian Combat system modifications, and
• Selected platform upgrades that are unique to the Hobart Class.

These features are summarised as follows:​

F105 Modifications

• More efficient and powerful diesel engines coupled with improved fuel tank arrangements will provide increased range,
• The inclusion of a bow thruster will improve manoeuvrability in harbours;
• Improvements to underway replenishment arrangements for manpower efficiencies;
• Changes to funnel tops to improve the ship’s air wake; and
• Bunk size increases to improve habitability.

AWD Combat System Modifications

• The Hobart Class will use the Aegis Weapon System Baseline 7.1and the AN/SPY-1D(V) Phased Array Radar.
• The Under Sea Warfare capability will be upgraded by:
  • Enhanced Anti Submarine Warfare capabilities and the addition of a torpedo defence system;

• • ASW decoys for torpedo defence;
  • Enhanced undersea communications;
  • Integration of the MU90 torpedo.

Other changes include:​

• Modification of the MK45 gun and Gun Fire Control System, including provision for Extended Range Munitions (ERM);
• Addition of the Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC);
• Modification of the IFF UPX-29 to the current tactical standard;
• Addition of an Horizon Search Radar (HSR) for improved anti-ship missile defence;
• Upgrades to the Surface-to-Surface Missile System to improve target selectivity in congested water, littoral and coastal operations;
• Upgrades to the Very Short Range Defence system to improve its integration and utility against asymmetric surface threats;
• Upgrades to the Electronic Warfare system, including the addition of electronic attack capabilities;
• Addition of X/Ka Satcom and INMARSAT Fleet Broadband and INMARSAT C capability;
• Improved Infrared Search and Track capabilities;
• Improved Electro-Optical Surveillance capability;
• Addition of Nulka Launchers for active missile decoys;

AWD-Unique Platform Modifications

The ship’s displacement will be increased to 7,000 tonnes for an improved service life margin.


Cold weather operation will be improved to allow for deployment into Australia’s southern waters.


The hangar will be modified to accommodate a range of helicopters.

Other modifications include:​

• Increased total cold room capacity for improved endurance;
• Incorporation of a fixed gas detection system to warn of the presence of harmful gases in compartments where personnel exposure risks exist;
  
  • Modification of the 220V/50Hz network to 240V/50 Hz, incorporation of Residual Current Devices (RCD) and the Australian pin configuration for general purpose outlets, and
  • Modification of existing stowage, and increases in the overall number of stowage facilities, for thermal protective suit and life raft containers.

​

 

[Alonso Quijano]

The new Spanish frigate was the basis on which is almost in parallel, the new Australian anti-aircraft destroyer class Hobart. The same model will incorporate the changes to only Spanish sites and systems tailored to the operational requirements of the RAN, as well as those arising from the inclusion of some equipment and systems themselves.

are almost the same boat but with different configurations depending on the requirement of each country.

 

[StingrayOZ]

So no AUSPAR on the AWD's? I thought a few small panels as directors/backups/experimentals would have been on the cards.

AUSPAR will have theater ballistic missile defense applications, making it likely that CEA Technologies will offer it for Australia's class of 3 new air warfare destroyers (AWD). The ships will be fitted with the Aegis weapon system and the accompanying AN/SPY-1D radar.

AUSPAR Wins Backing

It would seem the ANZAC II will feature AUSPAR:

Of course, the opposite would also be true with Navantia’s ‘existing’
AWD (or F-105) if, as part of its selection as preferred design action
was taken to secure rights to the IP so far developed for the F-100 series,
including its hull. Depending on the extent of collaboration, both
Spain and Australia could offer global customers a fully capable AWD
solution independent of US technology transfer approvals.

http://www.adbr.com.au/download/Features Articles/V25N7_Sea4000.pdf
It will be interesting to see how tech free approval it will end up and who we target that with.

 

[Alonso Quijano]

Spain and Australia have to work for an antiballistic protection.

SM3?

 

[StingrayOZ]

Spain and Australia have to work for an antiballistic protection.

SM3?

I would argue for SM3 but it looks like BMD will be provided by PAC, naval version of the patriot. Not bad, certainly better than nothing, but its not SM-3.

Australia will equip 11-12 ships with BMD systems. The "frigates" will use PAC, but the AWD (and spanish F-100 varients) should also be able to use SM-3 with additional hardware and obviously the missiles.

PAC is a last ditched attempt to hit something comming right at you terminal phase, think CIWS. What ever nastys are on that missile are going to fall all around/on top of you.

SM-3 can hit mid course over the ocean meaning its extremely unlikely anything is going to fall on its target or on you. Meaning you can forward position these units. If SM-3 fails you can still protect targets with PAC. But if PAC is your only defence then you have no backup. Sm-3 also has Asat capabilitity (not its origional design but no doubt improving). It also means there is no air you can't touch with your Air Warfare destroyer.

Still F-100 hull with Auspar would be a pretty capable ship.