F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet Block II Question

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fretburner

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I guess everyone agrees to disagree on the .5 thingy... but maybe we can say that the Super Hornet is not your legacy fighter? And that we should be talking about it, not on the same page as the original Hornet, F-16 and F-15, but rather with the likes of the Eurofighter, Rafale and Gripen?
 
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Haavarla

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fretburner said:
I guess everyone agrees to disagree on the .5 thingy... but maybe we can say that the Super Hornet is not your legacy fighter? And that we should be talking about it, not on the same page as the original Hornet, F-16 and F-15, but rather with the likes of the Eurofighter, Rafale and Gripen?
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Fair enough fretburner.

I don't have a clear meaning about what it takes to call
4.5 generation fighter or 5 th generation fighter.
Sure it would have certain VLO, radar, ECM abillities and all that stuff.

But it's mostly up to the promotion division in those respective companies and how they ultimatly will promote their products.



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Bonza

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fretburner said:
I guess everyone agrees to disagree on the .5 thingy... but maybe we can say that the Super Hornet is not your legacy fighter? And that we should be talking about it, not on the same page as the original Hornet, F-16 and F-15, but rather with the likes of the Eurofighter, Rafale and Gripen?
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It's a far more modern aircraft than a legacy Hornet - of course, the F-15 and F-16 have hardly been static in their capabilities either, given variants such as the advanced Strike Eagle derivatives and so on.

In the end it's probably best to discuss the SH Block II on the basis of the capability it brings to the table, rather than where it "fits in" on the evolutionary roadmap of fighters. Once you feel like you know enough about said capabilities, make up your own mind as to what comparisons with regard to other aircraft are appropriate (if any). :)
 
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jack412

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There has been discussions here and on other boards on the fa-18 being dropped from India's comp, to clarify the situation I thought a quote from the Indian Air Chief Marshal Naik was relevant and here would be the best place to put it

"MMRCA Milestones

Air Chief Marshal Naik said that in the case of the MMRCA, the last significant milestone in the selection process was over with the completion of the Technical Oversight Committee (TOC) report. The MoD could open the commercial tenders submitted by Eurofighter and Rafale mid-June to determine the lowest, or L-1, bidder.

However, it would still take a couple of months as it just won’t just be the price mentioned, but the package in terms of direct costs, support programmes, training, offsets and life cycle costs which would determine the winner. The race though is expected to be close.

Asked if the Eurofighter and Rafale were superior in technologies to the other four contenders – Boeing F/A 18 IN Super Hornet, Lockheed Martin F 16 IN, Swedish Gripen and Russian Mig 29 – the Air Chief said: “In all fairness, all the six aircraft in the competition were good, and more or less close to one another in performance. But some of them had to be out, and some had to be in, and that’s it. Let’s say that the two European finalists were the most-compliant in the 600-plus parameters that the IAF selection team had set.”

The Air Chief observed that admittedly, the US had the best of the combat radars, weapons and systems. But then, each of the six contenders had given in writing that they would match the IAF requirements, including those for systems to be sourced from the US."
..:: India Strategic ::.. India set to decide big military aircraft deals
 
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colay

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I agree with the reasoning that the difference in capabilities and effectiveness from Gen 4 to Gen 5 is not a simple linear progression and labeling a jet Gen 4.x is purely subjective and can be quite misleading as to how it fares in comparison with new gen aircraft.
I think you have to start with the airframe which will dictate to a large extent to what degree it can be upgraded in the areas that matter.
 
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