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Crusader2000

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DefenceNews June 1. Article on Future combat aircraft, including Gripen, SAAB, their future and Selex

Its hardcopy only as we don't get the digital version, so I can't paste to here. I'm also not going to copy type 5000 words manually. - as you'd appreciate :)


Well, is it from Defense News or another site and what does it say???
 

Scorpion82

New Member
Try this one Scooter
PARIS AIR SHOW: Gripping Gripen

The most important passages about the Gripen NGs radar are:
from later this year, an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar: Selex Galileo's Vixen 1000E/ES05 Raven.
Bob Mason, Selex Galileo's executive vice-president, radar and advanced targeting, says the Vixen 1000E's advantage comes from the use of a swashplate mounting, which enables the active array to be rotated by +/-100°. This beats a fixed AESA during beyond visual-range and off-boresight missile firings, and while acquiring synthetic aperture radar imagery, he says. "We will be delivering a prototype this year for them to fly, and then will upgrade it over the next 18 months."
And here something about the relation of the Vixen and its modules:
AESA Radars Are A Highlight of Aero-India | AVIATION WEEK
Its Vixen series of forward-looking radars, banned by the U.S. from South Korea’s F/A-50, also received a launch order from U.S. Customs and Border Protection, with the 500-module Vixen 500 to be integrated on Cessna Citations.
 

swerve

Super Moderator
Sorry, you totally lost me???
We have to make a decision here. Do you really have the problems with processing information that you claim, or are you pretending?

I have some difficulties with accepting the former. After all, you can use a computer. It's hard to see how someone as dim as you are acting could manage that.
 

Scorpion82

New Member
What does it say about the number of T/R Modules in the Gripens NG AESA Radar???
Again:
with the 500-module Vixen 500
It says the Vixen 500 has 500 T/R modules, is it that difficult to understand that the Vixen 1000 has 1000 modules?

And once again:
from later this year, an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar: Selex Galileo's Vixen 1000E/ES05 Raven.
Vixwn 1000E for the Gripen NG (antenna) which certainly has 1000 modules.

Another older source:
Ericsson AESA (Active Electronically Scanned Array) is a new airborne radar project currently in development. This radar is utilizing new, active phased- array technology involving 1,000 or more transmitter/receiver modules.
http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/B6AC635C-3417-437D-B3BE-61D4788008AB/0/gripen_news_1998_01.pdf

If you still don't get it, so be it, but never ask for a source again.
 

Crusader2000

Banned Member
Again:


It says the Vixen 500 has 500 T/R modules, is it that difficult to understand that the Vixen 1000 has 1000 modules?

And once again:


Vixen 1000E for the Gripen NG (antenna) which certainly has 1000 modules.

Another older source:


http://www.gripen.com/NR/rdonlyres/B6AC635C-3417-437D-B3BE-61D4788008AB/0/gripen_news_1998_01.pdf

If you still don't get it, so be it, but never ask for a source again.

Again, all I said is I would like to see a official source. Nothing hard about that......Further, I did concede many times that it would likely have that many T/R Modules. Just that we have seen nothing to confirm that number yet.................


Personally, I think "some" just want to fight over nothing...............What you can't wait a little while for Selex or SAAB to confirm the number?????


BTW The source you did provide in extremely old and clearly is not the Selex / SAAB 1000E. As the colboration between the latter two was just signed recently for its development..................
 

Grand Danois

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BTW The source you did provide in extremely old and clearly is not the Selex / SAAB 1000E. As the colboration between the latter two was just signed recently for its development..................
LOLs, just like it was originally planned to manufacture 3.2 mn modules for 2856 JSF (c. 1100 modules per radar), yet on the CATBIRD it flies with a fully populated dish - c. 2,000.
 

Crusader2000

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LOLs, just like it was originally planned to manufacture 3.2 mn modules for 2856 JSF (c. 1100 modules per radar), yet on the CATBIRD it flies with a fully populated dish - c. 2,000.
Well, that just proves my point...............for all we know the Gripen NG AESA Radar may have 1100 T/R Modules or more and not the much discussed 1000???? Who know's.........


Personally, I am dumbfounded that this is a issue at all............Just wait and see.
 

Grand Danois

Entertainer
Well, that just proves my point...............for all we know the Gripen NG AESA Radar may have 1100 T/R Modules or more and not the much discussed 1000???? Who know's.........


Personally, I am dumbfounded that this is a issue at all............Just wait and see.
You're the one making it an issue.
 

Crusader2000

Banned Member
You're the one making it an issue.
How am I making it a issue??? Because, I want to see a official number. Instead of agreeing with other members assumptions???

Regardless, this is all just a big waste of time.............As I have said over and over again. When a official source states it has "X" amount of T/R Modules. I'll be happy to accept number whatever it is..........850, 950, 1000, 1100, or whatever............
 

Grand Danois

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How am I making it a issue??? Because, I want to see a official number. Instead of agreeing with other members assumptions???
You're making a strawman by demanding specifics which you cannot get - not on the APG-81 nor the Gripen AESA. You wish to use your strawman to dismiss legit discussion on what an AESA for Gripen will be from existing and valid data points.

This is the format of such discussions on public forums.
 

Scorpion82

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Again, all I said is I would like to see a official source. Nothing hard about that......Further, I did concede many times that it would likely have that many T/R Modules. Just that we have seen nothing to confirm that number yet.................


Personally, I think "some" just want to fight over nothing...............What you can't wait a little while for Selex or SAAB to confirm the number?????


BTW The source you did provide in extremely old and clearly is not the Selex / SAAB 1000E. As the colboration between the latter two was just signed recently for its development..................
Are you incapble of summing up 1 and 1? The sources I provided tell you:
1.) Saab & partners ever aimed at a 1000+ modules AESA for the Gripen
2.) The number in the Vixen's name stands for the number of modules
3.) The 1000E antenna is used aboard the Gripen's AESA radar, hence 1000 modules.

From the other forum I know that you expressed your disbelieve in the ~1000 TRM figure. Now you have been provided with countless sources and explainations, but despite all these facts you still play (?) the dumb man. I seriously wonder how you can come to any conclusion about aircraft like the F-35.
 

Crusader2000

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You're making a strawman by demanding specifics which you cannot get - not on the APG-81 nor the Gripen AESA. You wish to use your strawman to dismiss legit discussion on what an AESA for Gripen will be from existing and valid data points.

This is the format of such discussions on public forums.

How could I dismiss anything??? :confused: The rest of the members of the forum are "free" to believe whatever they want and to debate the issue for eternity if they like.............


Sorry, I see nothing to debate.....


If, you on the otherhand do. Feel free to debate other members of the preceived performance of the Selex/SAAB 1000E compared to whatever???


Hardly, matter to me................
 

Crusader2000

Banned Member
Are you incapble of summing up 1 and 1? The sources I provided tell you:
1.) Saab & partners ever aimed at a 1000+ modules AESA for the Gripen
2.) The number in the Vixen's name stands for the number of modules
3.) The 1000E antenna is used aboard the Gripen's AESA radar, hence 1000 modules.

From the other forum I know that you expressed your disbelieve in the ~1000 TRM figure. Now you have been provided with countless sources and explainations, but despite all these facts you still play (?) the dumb man. I seriously wonder how you can come to any conclusion about aircraft like the F-35.
Just in the last few days has it come out that the New Gripen NG AESA Radar is to be called the Vixen 1000E. Which, many assume it will have 1000 T/R Modules because of its designation. Which, "I have" concede is likely correct. Yet, I prefer to see something more official or at least more reliable.....

Also, in my defense you have to admit there was a fair amount of speculation over these past few weeks. With one member of this very debate stating the Gripen NG Radar would have 850 T/R Modules!?!?!?. Really, I've heard anything from 500 to 1200! So, shoot me for being somewhat of a sceptic....:rolleyes:


Regardless, I have no further interest is stating my opinion for the twentieth time...............believe what you will.


Respectfully
 

Scorpion82

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Just in the last few days has it come out that the New Gripen NG AESA Radar is to be called the Vixen 1000E. Which, many assume it will have 1000 T/R Modules because of its designation. Which, "I have" concede is likely correct. Yet, I prefer to see something more official or at least more reliable.....

Also, in my defense you have to admit there was a fair amount of speculation over these past few weeks. With one member of this very debate stating the Gripen NG Radar would have 850 T/R Modules!?!?!?. Really, I've heard anything from 500 to 1200! So, shoot me for being somewhat of a sceptic....:rolleyes:


Reagardless, I have no further interest is stating my opinion for the twenty time...............believe what you will.


Respectfully
Those who deal with the Gripen longer and more intensive are aware of the ~1000 TRM figure since years, it is true that at that time no real AESA radar existed for the Gripen. What you call speculation was in fact based on the manufacturers claims already made years ago, however. The more current sources (also offical ones) confirm exactly that. And as GD said, if you have no interest in the matter simply stay away and stick with what interests you.
 

swerve

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How am I making it a issue??? Because, I want to see a official number. Instead of agreeing with other members assumptions???

Regardless, this is all just a big waste of time.............As I have said over and over again. When a official source states it has "X" amount of T/R Modules. I'll be happy to accept number whatever it is..........850, 950, 1000, 1100, or whatever............
You'll never get such an official number, & you know it. The best you'll get is an approximation, & you already have that. It's approximately 1000.

Everyone else agrees on this. It is only an issue because you dispute it, & demand an unobtainable "official" precise number.
 

Crusader2000

Banned Member
You'll never get such an official number, & you know it. The best you'll get is an approximation, & you already have that. It's approximately 1000.

Everyone else agrees on this. It is only an issue because you dispute it, & demand an unobtainable "official" precise number.


So, the T/R Modules Numbers released for the APG-79 and APG-80 are not official???
 
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