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Vivendi

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Crusader2000 said:
I never heard of the Vixen 1000E??? Is that the new name of the Gripen NG Radar or is it based on that Radar??? Also, do you have a direwct source that says the Gripen Radar does in fact have 1000 T/R Modules? If, so could you provide it??? Seems like alot for such a small aircraft???:confused:
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1. It seems Selex consistently name their radars according to the number of T/R modules; Vixen 500 has 500 modules, Vixen 850 has 850 modules. It is quite reasonable to assume that Vixen 1000 will have around 1000 modules.

2. It is well known that the diameter of the current Gripen radar is 600 mm. As demonstrated by GD, a 600 mm diameter radar should be able to fit a tad more than 1000 modules.

3. Saab has stated earlier that the Gripen NG will have an AESA with "1000-1200 modules", I have never seen any reference to 500 modules (apart from the one that Swerve referred to, and as he explained that was based on a misunderstanding.)

You are right in stating that Gripen is small; it cannot have as many modules in its AESA radar as e.g. the Typhoon. However it can fit a 1000 modules radar, and the new Vixen 1000E radar seems to be it.

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swerve

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Crusader2000 said:
Well, hopefully they will clarify the number of T/R Modules. Along with a few other un-answered questions?
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That has already been clarified. As you have been told - twice - the name gives the approximate number, as closely as we're ever likely to know. Selex is completely open & explicit about the naming convention for the Vixen series, & 1000E means about 1000 TRMs, as 500E has 500 TRMs & 850E has 850 TRMs. There is no unanswered question about the number.

What other questions do you refer to?

You're uncannily reminiscent of someone calling himself Scooter on the Key Publishing Forum, especially on this topic. Your grammar, syntax & punctuation resemble his, as well as the content of your posts.
 
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Crusader2000

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swerve said:
That has already been clarified. As you have been told - twice - the name gives the approximate number, as closely as we're ever likely to know. Selex is completely open & explicit about the naming convention for the Vixen series, & 1000E means about 1000 TRMs, as 500E has 500 TRMs & 850E has 850 TRMs. There is no unanswered question about the number.

What other questions do you refer to?

You're uncannily reminiscent of someone calling himself Scooter on the Key Publishing Forum, especially on this topic. Your grammar, syntax & punctuation resemble his, as well as the content of your posts.
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Simple Question?
 
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tphuang

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i don't like it's chances. Right now, Gripen has the added advantage of being cheaper than many options out there, very capable and works really well in a network with Erieye. But going forward, it's simply just going to be less capable than the fighters on tap and also might not be that much cheaper due to a much more limited production run than something like F-35 or PAK-FA. Right now, it can still beat out F-16 in some cases for countries that are looking for fighters with limited range, but how can it beat out F-35? Any country that has embargo issues with F-35 is also going to have it with Gripen.
 
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Crusader2000

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tphuang said:
i don't like it's chances. Right now, Gripen has the added advantage of being cheaper than many options out there, very capable and works really well in a network with Erieye. But going forward, it's simply just going to be less capable than the fighters on tap and also might not be that much cheaper due to a much more limited production run than something like F-35 or PAK-FA. Right now, it can still beat out F-16 in some cases for countries that are looking for fighters with limited range, but how can it beat out F-35? Any country that has embargo issues with F-35 is also going to have it with Gripen.
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Well, what competition does the Gripen NG have fair odds of winning??? :confused:
 
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Crusader2000 said:
Well, what competition does the Gripen NG have fair odds of winning??? :confused:
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If you have access to DefenceNews for June 1 2009 then there is an article which indicates that Gripen may well struggle for future fighter sales.

Mig is seen as dying out. Typhoon and Rafale are regarded as having a longer surivival time frame due to MLU issues and existing orders.

Brazil and India will determine the survival and viability of a few smaller aviation companies.
 
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Crusader2000

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gf0012-aust said:
If you have access to DefenceNews for June 1 2009 then there is an article which indicates that Gripen may well struggle for future fighter sales.

Mig is seen as dying out. Typhoon and Rafale are regarded as having a longer surivival time frame due to MLU issues and existing orders.

Brazil and India will determine the survival and viability of a few smaller aviation companies.
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Thanks,

I'll check it out:D
 
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Grand Danois

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Crusader2000 said:
We know almost nothing about the Radar. Other than its part Selex and part SAAB. Unless, something has just recently been released???
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And that since Selex is consistent with its product names for the E-series of radars it's going to use 1000 modules.

It is for you to carry the argument that this is implausible - can you do that?
 
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Crusader2000

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Grand Danois said:
And that since Selex is consistent with its product names for the E-series of radars it's going to use 1000 modules.

It is for you to carry the argument that this is implausible - can you do that?
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It may well in fact have 1000 T/R Modules. Yet, I don't think its unreasonable to ask for a offical source. Plus, the fact we have no information on its capabilities what so ever???



Hardly, a unreasonable request or I would at least hope not???


Respecfully,
 
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Grand Danois

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Crusader2000 said:
It may well in fact have 1000 T/R Modules. Yet, I don't think its unreasonable to ask for a offical source. Plus, the fact we have no information on its capabilities what so ever???



Hardly, a unreasonable request or I would at least hope not???


Respecfully,
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Selex-Saab has only been official for about 2 months and their chosen path even less time than that.

What to expect? The APG-63(v)2 (and perhaps 3?) gives clues on what happens when integrating an AESA array on an older back end. You get same capability plus a little more - plus the reliability and TCO savings, if the production run is large enough.

So expect the same modes plus some extra, e.g. better Pd vs low rcs targets.

Module cost, previously the main reason to reduce mmics numbers, is not really an issue any more and weight/space requirement are almost the same regardless of module count.

More will be known, this is to early to demand specifics.
 
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Crusader2000

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Grand Danois said:
Selex-Saab has only been official for about 2 months and their chosen path even less time than that.

What to expect? The APG-63(v)2 (and perhaps 3?) gives clues on what happens when integrating an AESA array on an older back end. You get same capability plus a little more - plus the reliability and TCO savings, if the production run is large enough.

So expect the same modes plus some extra, e.g. better Pd vs low rcs targets.

Module cost, previously the main reason to reduce mmics numbers, is not really an issue any more and weight/space requirement are almost the same regardless of module count.

More will be known, this is to early to demand specifics.
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I clearly understand it early in its development and I don't expect specifics. Yet, that doesn't mean I have to go along with other "Members" making claims that it has this many modules or it can do this or that.

Personally, I 've seen nothing in my remarks that could be considered "unreasonable".

Respectfully
 
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Crusader2000

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swerve said:
And that it's a swash-plate design -
PARIS AIR SHOW: Gripping Gripen

But Scooter, you've already been given that link, & many others, including Selex & Saab official statements, on another forum. BTW, how's the weather in Tampa?
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I see the usual sarcasm is the same regardless which forum your on....


Regardless, I doesn't state the SAAB / Selex Radar has 1000 T/R Modules nor really anythng about its performance does it????

So, as always I don't see your point......

In short we know nothing........

Same story again and again.......;)


Respectfully
 
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swerve

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Crusader2000 said:
I see the usual sarcasm is the same regardless which forum your on....

Regardless, I doesn't state the SAAB / Selex Radar has 1000 T/R Modules nor really anythng about its performance does it????
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That isn't sarcasm.

It has been explained to you that Selex has a consistent, & publicly stated, naming system for the Vixen family of radars. Do you dispute that? According to that (consistent, publicly stated) system, the Vixen 1000E has about 1000 modules. Do you understand that?
 
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Crusader2000

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swerve said:
That isn't sarcasm.

It has been explained to you that Selex has a consistent, & publicly stated, naming system for the Vixen family of radars. Do you dispute that? According to that (consistent, publicly stated) system, the Vixen 1000E has about 1000 modules. Do you understand that?
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I dispute we have facts.............You assume because its called the Vixen 1000 E it has 1000 T/R Modules. Which, may in fact be the case. As I have said over and over. We've heard a great deal of speculation (500, 750, 850, 1000) with nothing specific coming from Selex nor SAAB.


Clearly, it not unreasonable to say "lets wait for something" more definitive...
 
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Crusader2000 said:
IAs I have said over and over. We've heard a great deal of speculation (500, 750, 850, 1000) with nothing specific coming from Selex nor SAAB.
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DefenceNews June 1. Article on Future combat aircraft, including Gripen, SAAB, their future and Selex

Its hardcopy only as we don't get the digital version, so I can't paste to here. I'm also not going to copy type 5000 words manually. - as you'd appreciate :)
 
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