Iran operates neither the SMT nor the MiG-35 to my knowledge. However there is a possibility that the Fulcrums they have were upgraded, and I missed it. They did recently upgrade their Su-24MK. Please do provide a reliable source for your claim.
Syria gets new MiG-31Es and MiG-35s
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Ibizan Hound
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The MiG-35 IS a real fighter and Iran is said to have either upgraded to this or purchased a few of these. Since you don't know, then you just don't know. But you can't argue on basis of YOUR ignorance of the fact. Iran also have upgraded their MiG-29s to SMTs. You may feel intimidated by it or whatever but they have done it. Right now they may be getting atleast 50 more.
Ibizan Hound the MiG-35 has airframe differences. You cannot upgrade existing MiG-29 airframes to the MiG-35 level as far as I know. No MiG-35's have been produced serially. If you wish to claim otherwise you need to provide a source. You also specifically mention that the Iranian Fulcrums are upgraded to the SMT standard. Once again a source is necessary to back up this claim.
Ibizan Hound
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That's the same thing I thought. They even look different. Maybe, they ment purchases.
Based ON YOUR KNOWLEDGE. You can't make these bogus assertions. I've seen a few fly. Iran ands China both signed a pact with Russia to keep weapons transfers private and nonpublicized. There's a host of Westerners and Israelis who argue that Iran doesn't even have Sunburns or S-300s though Iranians know better. So I say leave it at what they what they want to know. If they are interested enough they'll do the research like other people usually do.Feanor said:
People like you also believe the Russian claim that they haven't sold Syria Pantsyrs. We know Syria has Pantsyrs but are we to provide argue with you that they do? Sam here.
Iran does not have either Sunburns or S-300 systems. Unless you have evidence otherwise, that is the situation as it stands.
You say you have seen the MiG-35 fly. Do you mean in person? Or on the internet?
As for the Pantsyrs, that is a confirmed sale. 50 units have been sold to Syria, out of which 10 have theoretically transfered to Iran.
Once again, provide evidence for your claims. Otherwise your claims are worthless.
You say you have seen the MiG-35 fly. Do you mean in person? Or on the internet?
As for the Pantsyrs, that is a confirmed sale. 50 units have been sold to Syria, out of which 10 have theoretically transfered to Iran.
Once again, provide evidence for your claims. Otherwise your claims are worthless.
No MIG-35 has being made till today ...
No MIG-31 in Iran
No S-300 in Iran
No Pancir-S1 in Iran
No MIG-29SMT in Iran
no nothing ...
Old airforce ... asymetrical response navy oriented (I would be funny to see its clashes with USN - althrow I belive it is posible for them to acquire Sunburn or even Club-N in its modernization or perhaps over China we cant tell for sure that it has or ahs not it)
Obsolite land force that still can punch a nice blow if used properly. ...
Nice helicopter force ....
and its best thousands of missiles armed with explosives but at the same time with nuclear or biological agens .... so if that crazy Arhameđad goes nuc all he needs to do is press that red button couple of thousand times and all will be gone ... in 1000km radius ....
Another thing is enought trained people to use ATGM/MANPADS/AK/RPG/IED/PKM witch is good enough to criple any modern force in partisan tactics ....
So thats it ...
Well Im aware of such deal but asa UAE financed Pancir-S1 project I guess they will be the first to recive Pancirs witch btw came ot production line at the end of 2008 and start of 2009 ... so I dont belive even Syria still has them ...
Secont it takes time to train people and time for those people to train Iranians so I guess even when they got them they wont be opreational for some time.
Posibility of Iranians copy-pasting Pancir-S1 is 0%.
Ozzy Blizzard
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The MiG-35 is a DEVELOPMENTAL program designed for the Indian MRCA competition and is NOT in production. Neither is the MiG-29M AFAIK. There are NO MiG-35's flying around today, only a single demonstrator that is not combat capable.
I have never heard or read anything about Iranian MiG-29's being upgraded to SMT standard. Remember SMT is a specific upgrade program (like MLU for the Viper) and just because Iranian MiG-29's have undergone a modernization program doesn't mean they have SMT's.
As for the MiG-31.
Guys the MiG-31 is a strategic defense platform. It is intended as a counter to strateghic aircraft, and in secondary counter ISR (anti AWACS) and Recce roles. It is excellent at this, and arguably the worlds best defense against strategic air power.
HOWEVER it is NOT an air superiority fighter and it was never intended to be. The Flanker family is far more capable in this role, it is much more flexible and much more able to deal with tac air assets at virtually any regime. This is why everyone is buying flankers and not foxhounds. Unless you want to shoot down large aircraft at long range, Flanker is the superior platform. The Foxhound is totally optimized as a counter to the strategic aircraft. Its raw performance, sensors, weapons and aerodynamics are superbly optimized for taking out strategic aircraft at long range, and it is a superb counter for US strategic air power (well conventional assets anyway), but it is not a capable air superiority fighter, which is why no one uses them in this role. Thinking they are is pretty much fanboy fantasy.
As for the Syrians, I cant see any reason why they have the requirement for such a platform, none of their neighbors have strategic air assets, they would be much better buying Su-30's. There is probably a Foxhound market in China and India but not the middle east. I think this article is bogus.
Besides strategics assets you mentioned MIG-31 is also optimizet for hunting down fast low-flying cruise missiles.
New MIG-31 now have multirole capability .. meaning if right circumstances you could live to see MIG-31 attack on enemy ships with Kh-41
They also carry R-77/KH-31 and all kinds of other lovely Russian missiles ...
You can now perform SEAD missions with it ... so it gained many new optiones it was not designed for initialy ...
Of course Syria would NOT to my knowledge got any of that nice capabilities .. MIG-31E mentioned for Syria is basicly MIG-31B with major dowgraded capabilities.
Well why not ... mobile EW platform idealy suited for shooting down anything that flys low no matter how fast ... althrow If I was president of Syria would not consider them until S-400/MIG-31BM combo was offered ...
A.Mookerjee
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In my opinion, the nations of the Middle East, should be made into a demilitarized zone, because, the region being so similar in cultural values, there is no need for the nation of the Middle East to harbor suspicions about her neighbor. The reason for the insecurity is not the Middle East nations, but the potential military capabilities of these nations. During the 'Cold War', the Cold War extended to the Middle East as a natural consequence. All the Middle East wars fought, could have been avoided by the former Soviet Union, and the USA, if they had so deemed. Now, I hope that the economic rivalry between Russia and the USA, does not spill over to the Middle East. In fact, the invasion of Afghanistan, by the Soviet Union, is the cause of the unrest in Afghanistan(which is not a part of the Middle East).Peace in the Middle East, is the precursor to peace for the whole Muslim community all over the world. Perhaps, the Shia-Sunni divide can be seen in the West Bank and Gaza, where the people are not feeling hopeless being at the mercy of Israel, but at the irreconcilable differences between the Shia-Sunni divide. The Shia's and the Sunni's should be reconciled, as they believe in a common God, and also in their Prophet.
Agree..
Not beeing a big fan of the Mig 31 myself, it is an impressive machine and system. What makes it attractive is its capabilty to protec an very large volume of airspace with few machines able to transfer data to each other and lookdown shootdown anything detected in this volume of airspace. As an air defense system it is a weapon not to be underrated. It is potent.Thoes the fact that it can supercruise mutch faster than the F-22 and at the same time cover more distance suprise your?
It has hudge RCS and IC .. but at the same time able to speed up to Mach 3+ at 25km atitude ... try dealing with that?
Iranian airforce is older than time itself but I remember reading about some kind of modernizations (or was it just repair) ... anybody know something more about it?
I am.
210km+ R-33S with SARH guidance is deployed dont you worry ...
New radar specs are about to be something of a wonder but what have you heard to make you not impressed?
No its not. Its just designed for special mission in purpose and now is being added multirole capability. (now they even carry Kh-41
Well no retirement will happen until PAK-FA enters in numbers as its only plane that can replace that monster.
At supersonic speeds achiving 5g is excellent .... besides during one crash landing by MIG-25 flown by rookie pilot MIG-25 acchived 11.5+g before breakup ...
It can .. with new radar, R-37 active guidance/Kh-31A/P/P2/Kh-31/ECM/ECCM/R-33S etc ... it is once more freacking Mach 3 monster in the sky witch ALWAYS flys 5 miles above you ....
Was potent. In it's time. Right now it's badly outdated and needs to either be heavily (incredibly heavily) modernized, or better yet replaced entirely. Yet the PAK-FA isn't even intended to replace it. And even that is questionable, since the MoD has intentions to purchase the MiG-35 to replace the MiG-29, and as of right now only 250 PAK-FA are planned.
This will leave the MiG-31 in service well past the 2025 timeframe. Unless something radically changes. Still no export potential though. Especially to places like Syria or Iran.
This will leave the MiG-31 in service well past the 2025 timeframe. Unless something radically changes. Still no export potential though. Especially to places like Syria or Iran.
Scorpion82
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Are there any sources for the MoDs intention to purchase the MiG-35?
Here's an interfax link.
Ïåðâûå ïîñòàâêè èñòðåáèòåëåé ÌèÃ-35 â ðîññèéñêèå ÂÂÑ... - Íîâîñòè - Îáùåñòâî - Èíòåðôàêñ
EDIT: I don't remember who made the original statement and can't find it anymore, but if you dig around you'll find plenty of second-hand sources that mention it, as well as that MiG-35 will be used to fullfill the LFI requirement.
Ïåðâûå ïîñòàâêè èñòðåáèòåëåé ÌèÃ-35 â ðîññèéñêèå ÂÂÑ... - Íîâîñòè - Îáùåñòâî - Èíòåðôàêñ
EDIT: I don't remember who made the original statement and can't find it anymore, but if you dig around you'll find plenty of second-hand sources that mention it, as well as that MiG-35 will be used to fullfill the LFI requirement.
It looks like Syria may be getting the MiG-31 after all. Nothing official, but a Russian MoD official retired, rumors are that it's for under-pricing used Mig-31 airframes sold from MoD stocks to the Sokol aviation plant. Allegedly the airframes were meant to be supplied to Syria.
Lenta.ru:  Ðîññèè: Îòñòàâêó ãëàâû óïðàâëåíèÿ Ðîñðåçåðâà ñâÿçàëè ñ ïðîäàæåé ÷åòûðåõ ÌèÃîâ
Pretty safe bet that the factory was going to complete the airframes into MiG-31E or MiG-31BM mods to be exported.
Lenta.ru:  Ðîññèè: Îòñòàâêó ãëàâû óïðàâëåíèÿ Ðîñðåçåðâà ñâÿçàëè ñ ïðîäàæåé ÷åòûðåõ ÌèÃîâ
Pretty safe bet that the factory was going to complete the airframes into MiG-31E or MiG-31BM mods to be exported.
It looks like Syria may be getting the MiG-31 after all. Nothing official, but a Russian MoD official retired, rumors are that it's for under-pricing used Mig-31 airframes sold from MoD stocks to the Sokol aviation plant. Allegedly the airframes were meant to be supplied to Syria.
Lenta.ru:  Ðîññèè: Îòñòàâêó ãëàâû óïðàâëåíèÿ Ðîñðåçåðâà ñâÿçàëè ñ ïðîäàæåé ÷åòûðåõ ÌèÃîâ
Pretty safe bet that the factory was going to complete the airframes into MiG-31E or MiG-31BM mods to be exported.
Lenta.ru:  Ðîññèè: Îòñòàâêó ãëàâû óïðàâëåíèÿ Ðîñðåçåðâà ñâÿçàëè ñ ïðîäàæåé ÷åòûðåõ ÌèÃîâ
Pretty safe bet that the factory was going to complete the airframes into MiG-31E or MiG-31BM mods to be exported.
I think it's a great radar and weapon system for what it was designed, probably less effective against fighters BUT... I wouldn't dare to operate an AWACS, Transport plane, tanker or non-stealth bomber within a amos equipped mig-31's combat radius whitout total air supremacy! If it was ever used it would be an good weapon to hit such vital airborne infrastructure, and probably it's only useful role in air-to-air.
And fitting the Flanker with the Zalson would probably make the aircraft look like a dutch tulip