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OPSSG

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Is the Elta E/LM 20600 SAR/GMTI radar mentioned the same one as this one or has the same capabilities?

http://www.iai.co.il/sip_storage/files/9/27499.pdf

If so, it would be a fantastic add-on for the G550 Phalcon AEW & C planes.

IMHO, Singapore`s Hermes 450s are already equipped with the E/LM 2055M SAR/GMTI pods.

http://www.iai.co.il/sip_storage/files/6/34036.pdf

Not too sure about the Searcher 2s.
Late last year, I posted news on an ELTA contract win (which I have repeated below). I was guessing that the win for the EL/M-2055 SAR sale was related to us standing up a Hermes 450 squadron. Given that the RSAF also operates MPAs, Singapore is likely to be the customer in the Far East.

I believe the RSAF will send a UAV type equipped with SAR to Afghanistan. We will know more once the news footage of such deployment appears later this year.

12 Nov 2008 ELTA Systems Ltd., was recently awarded two contracts from a customer in the Far East...

(i) One $20 million contract is for EL/M-2055 Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) UAV payloads. These are airborne, all-weather surface Image Intelligence (IMINT) systems, based on Synthetic Aperture Radar technology.

(ii) The second contract is valued at $19.5 million and is for Airborne Maritime Surveillance Radars for Maritime Patrol Aircraft.

[NB. A hat tip to weasel1962 for posting this first elsewhere]
The E/LM 20600 SAR/GMTI you mentioned could be a good add-on for the RSAF's G550 CAEW. BTW, our latest F-16Ds have a similar SAR pods with GMTI. IMHO, SAR systems will enhance our situational awareness, so the more the merrier.
 
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OPSSG

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The APG-68 fire control radar the F-16 comes with has inherent SAR/GMTI capability...
AD, isn't using the APG-68 fire control radar for SAR/GMTI a little like looking through a straw, given it's limited field of view, compared to an area scanning dedicated SAR radar recce pod? (I'm just curious and wanted to know if this point of view is accurate?)
 

Red

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That's a Litening targetting pod on the starboard pylon and a LANTIRN navigation pod on the port pylon. EO/IR only I'm afraid, with possibly TFR radar in the LANTIRN... The APG-68 fire control radar the F-16 comes with has inherent SAR/GMTI capability...
AD,

I see. Thanks for the heads-up.

OPSG,

What will happen to the Litening when RSAF acquires Sniper pods next year? Could we transfer the latter to the F5 S/Ts ?
 

OPSSG

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What will happen to the Litening when RSAF acquires Sniper pods next year? Could we transfer the latter to the F5 S/Ts ?
Initially, that was what I thought too... about transfer to F-5s but then I realised I forgot to take account for transfers to the single seater F-16Cs. We have over 60 F-16s, so that's a lot of pods to juggle, at more than a million each.
 
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Red

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Initially, that was what I thought too... about transfer to F-5s but then I realised I forgot to take account for transfers to the single seater F-16Cs. We have over 60 F-16s, so that's a lot of pods to juggle, at more than a million each.
The press release stipulates sniper pods for the F16 Blk 52s. I assume that this would include both single seater and double seater Blk 52s? Would that not mean that we can attach the older litening on the F 5 S/T. Presumably, that could give the latter aircraft a better role in air to ground attacks. Also, we would have more frames or choices to choose for aerial support; ACMS.
 
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AD, isn't using the APG-68 fire control radar for SAR/GMTI a little like looking through a straw, given it's limited field of view, compared to an area scanning dedicated SAR radar recce pod? (I'm just curious and wanted to know if this point of view is accurate?)
I expect it is not as capable as the dedicated pod, but then you can afford so many more of them. The position of many militaries on this issue is clear, judging by the number of SAR/GMTI capable FCR systems that are purchased, compared to the number of podded SAR/GMTI systems that appear to be purchased...

Every Singaporean F-16, Block 52 AFAIK, has the APG-68(v9) which means that it has at least 60x SAR and GMTI capable radar systems in-service on it's fighter fleet.

The F-15SG will no doubt possess an excellent SAR/GMTI capability with it's large and powerful AESA radar and the F-35 will certainly possess an even greater capability.

It's an issue that has been debated around the place. Air Power Australia, a few years back heavily criticised the DoD for not choosing to directly replace the F-111 Recon variant. At least at this time...

DoD argued that F/A-18 Hornets, with APG-73 (and inherent SAR/GMTI capability) plus Litening AT targetting pods, digital solid state recorders and Link 16/Rover download capability on at least 50% of the entire fighter fleet, with a higher percentage, perhaps even 100% of operationally deployed fighters, effectively meant that EVERY Hornet aircraft in RAAF service, IS a recon asset, if so configured.

APA of course started arguing technical matters (only of course available to them from open sources) and thus criticised DoD. DoD as usual, simply ignored them.

I know podded recon systems are purchased around the place and recce-lite offers some capability not inherent just within the Litening AT pod, however RAAF at least is satisfied with the performance of the footage obtained just from it's targetting pod and has developed the inherent ability to share the information through Link 16 and ROVER anyway.

Infinitely quicker than through wet film based systems too...
 

Red

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IMHO, more SAR/GMTI platforms is better for Singapore given Singapore`s restrictive space and the need to knock out enemy targets(static and moving ones) with precision accuracy before they can strike first although Singapore/SAF is more than capable of absorbing such attacks. It becomes all the more relevant with an increasing array of precision long range shooters or weapons available such as the 85 km GMLRs precision rockets, 130 km Extra precision rockets, new long range artillery shells like the Vulcano(70km / 100 km shells), JSOWs, JDAMs, Spice-upgraded weapons and much more.

The SAR/GMTI equipped platforms would be a true force multiplier for Singapore`s STORM(if it is not already the case ;));

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm137/spyder-album2/Singapore/Shoot--Scoot.jpg

Scanned pic credit to Spiderweb, a great local poster.

Integrating 3rd Generation SAF's Strike Capabilities

Posted: 18 May 2008, 2355 hours (Time is GMT +8 hours)
Location: South Africa

The Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) is conducting Exercise Lightning Warrior, in Lohatla, South Africa from 10 to 27 May 08. Exercise Lightning Warrior validates the SAF's air-land integration as well as the Division Strike Centre's (DSC) ability to coordinate a network of sensor and shooter assets that allows a Division to see, strike and influence the battlefield in depth.

The highlight of the exercise was an integrated live firing orchestrated by the DSC, involving a network of strike assets such as the AH-64D Longbow Apache Attack Helicopters and the PRIMUS Self-Propelled Howitzers as well as an array of battlefield sensors such as the Searcher Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAV), ARTHUR Weapon Locating Radar, and STrike ObserveRs Mission (STORM) teams. Such an integrated strike capability is at the core of the 3rd Generation SAF.

When asked what he thought about the exercise after witnessing the live firing on 17 May, Minister for Defence Teo Chee Hean remarked that this exercise "confirms the SAF's capability to have comprehensive awareness and precision strike on multiple targets. This includes targets which are static as well as fleeting targets, which means targets that only appear for a short while. This is done by integrating a network of sensors and shooters." Minister Teo added that "the SAF division now has the capability to see first and to strike first well into the division's depths and that means that the division is able to influence the battle well into the depth."

Factsheet: Division Strike Centre (DSC)

The Division Strike Centre (DSC) is the division's nerve centre for co-ordinating a tight network of sensor and shooter assets to execute accurate and responsive strike operations. Strike operations involve the planning, co-ordination, and delivery of fires onto multiple targets using air and land assets such as attack aircraft and artillery platforms. This is a key capability of the 3rd Generation SAF.

The key roles of the DSC are as follows:

a. Strike Orchestration. DSC conducts strike operations against targets such as artillery platforms, Multiple Rocket Systems (MRS) and Ground-Based Air Defence (GBAD), to shape the battlefield by reducing threats to our land and air assets.

b. Counter-Fire Capability. Weapon Locating Radar (WLRs) may be deployed to accurately locate artillery projectiles and rockets within seconds. Upon detection, DSC orders counter-fires which are immediately processed and transmitted directly to pre-determined shooter platforms. The entire process, from detection to firing the first shot can be effected within minutes.

c. Synchronisation with Air and Naval Fires. Besides co-ordinating fire for the Army, the DSC also synchronises with shooters from the Air Force and Navy so as to deliver a more lethal kill.

DSC Strike Process

A typical strike operation commences with the search for and tracking of targets by a combination of sensors such as Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs), Weapon Locating Radar (WLRs), Apache Attack helicopters, commandos and STORM teams. These sensors scan the battlefield, detect potential targets and transmit the information back to the Headquarters (HQ) in real-time.

The DSC determines the desired effects, the timing and location of the strike as well as the type of strike assets most suited for destroying the targets. Depending on the nature of the targets, an array of precision and area impact shooters comprising F-16 Fighter aircraft, Apache attack helicopters, PRIMUS Self-Propelled Howitzers (SSPH) and/or High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS) can be employed to achieve the precise effects.

The DSC then synchronises the sensors and shooters to conduct the strike operation. The shooters can engage the targets simultaneously or in a sequence, to ensure the destruction of the targets.

Once the strike has been completed, the sensors will report on the status of the targets. The HQ assesses the level of damage inflicted on the targets and decides if further engagement is required. If required, a new sensor-to-shooter cycle will be initiated and this continues until the desired effects are achieved.

Factsheet: STORM - STrike Observers Mission

The STORM teams are a key feature in 3rd Generation SAF Strike Operations. Mounted on a mobile platform, they function as mobile strike and observer teams specialising in the search and destruction of targets. Each STORM team comprises six soldiers - a commander, a deputy commander, two sensor specialists, a gunnery specialist and a signaller.

With enhanced network capabilities, the STORM team has the ability to rapidly direct a wide range of land and air-based sensors and shooters to engage a target. These sensors and shooters include Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs), F-16 Fighter Aircraft, Apache Attack Helicopters and PRIMUS Self-Propelled Howitzers (SSPH). This is a significant capability enhancement, as previously, artillery fire and air strikes had to be called separately by the Artillery Forward Observers and Ground Forward Air Controllers.

STORM teams are extensions of the Division Strike Centre’s (DSC) sensor and shooter capabilities. Through the STORM teams, tactical forces are given access to an increased array of sensors and shooters in the Division. This enables them to responsively acquire targets and destroy them. The STORM teams enhance the Division’s effectiveness in searching for and destroying key targets such as command posts, artillery and Multiple Rocket Systems (MRS).
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AH-64D Apache Attack Helicopters unleashing their lethal firepower during a live integrated strike mission at Exercise Lightning Warrior 08.

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Minister for Defence Teo Chee Hean being briefed on the capablities of the Strike Observers Mission Team (STORM).

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Minister for Defence Teo Chee Hean witnessing the integrated live-firing at Exercise Lightning Warrior 08.

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The Searcher Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) is a key sensor in strike operations.

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The Strike Observers Mission Team (STORM) surveying the battlefield for potential targets.

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Division Strike Centre (DSC) Commander COL Terry Siow and Exercise Air Director COL Yeo Yee Peng orchestrating a strike mission with precise information provided by the Air-Land Integrated Common Operating Picture.

Source: Singapore`s Mindef

Here`s the video;

mms://media.mindef.gov.sg/18may08_lightningwarrior08_hi.asf

You`ll need to paste it into your browser
 

malayphil

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The best weapons are for Singapore..It's only right that a wealthy nation have the best military hardware specially if China becomes hostile in the South China sea..
 

OPSSG

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F-15SGs for the RSAF "Buccaneers" arrive at MHAFB

May 6, 2009 - Plans to open a new Republic of Singapore air force training squadron at Mountain Home AFB took a significant move forward Wednesday, May 6, when the first of its advanced F-15SG fighters arrived here.

The aircraft, part of the 428th Fighter Squadron, known as the Buccaneers, was greeted by a costumed buccaneer waving a pirate flag.

"This is a great day for Mountain Home and Mountain Home Air Force Base in welcoming our good friends from Singapore," said Mayor Rist, prior to the ceremonies.

"It seemed like there were 1,000 things that had to happen. It seemed overwhelming, but all of these things are happening and this is quite a milestone in working toward standing up the squadron later this month and inaugurating the Peace Carvin V program," said Col. Jim Bird, the 366th Fighter Wing commander, in his remarks welcoming the unit to MHAFB. The Peace Carvin Process began when the tiny Republic of Singapore came to the United States to ask if they could build an aircraft and have a place to be trained...

The Republic of Singapore air force, or RSAF, will eventually maintain up to 10 of the multi-role aircraft at Mountain Home as part of a long-standing partnership with the United States to train its aircrews. The unit will include approximately 180 active duty and 130 support personnel. During the life of the program, as many as 200 active duty RSAF personnel will live and work on the base.

Mountain Home was selected to house the training squadron following an Air Force study that began in 2005. The base was deemed the ideal location because of its extensive range complex, excellent year-round flying conditions, existing facilities and highly trained personnel. A Letter of Agreement between the United States and Singapore calls for planes to fly out of Mountain Home for 25 years. The first two years will train the initial cadre...

The Boeing F-15SG is an advanced version of the F-15E Strike Eagle currently flown by two squadrons at Mountain Home AFB. For the casual observer, the F-15SG is indistinguishable from a Strike Eagle except that it will be branded with the "lion head" insignia that designates it as a Singaporean asset...

"For Mountain Home, it's going to be great because we get to train with an ally on a daily basis and it will be great culturally because they will be working with us as Gunfighters, being a part of our team," said Col.Bird.

During a ceremony May 18, the 366th Fighter Wing, in conjunction with the RSAF, will officially activate the Buccaneer squadron at the base.

"The base is very excited to work with the RSAF because this partnership provides important combat readiness training for our Singapore partners, and fulfills the need to train as a team in a multi-national force structure," said Lt. Col. Keith Gibson, the training squadron's U.S. commander.

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Kind of ironic to have a costumed buccaneer waving a pirate flag to welcome them given that the Singapore navy is part of CTF-151 and actually chasing pirates off the coast of Somalia. :D
 
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Firn

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Kind of ironic to have a costumed buccaneer waving a pirate flag to welcome them given that the Singapore navy is part of CTF-158 and actually chasing pirates off the coast of Somalia. :D
As long as the buccaneers don't team up with their pirate brethren...

Especially after the good training sessions at Mountain Base AFB. This is certainly a crucial aspect of any package the SAF purchases.
 
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SGMilitary

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24 F-15SG so far?

Any intelligence information if there are plans to procure more?

Any possibility that RSAF will jointly developed F-15SE with Boeing?

Any links to the above?

Regards.
 

Tebuan

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Does RSAF 2 versions/blocks of F-16Ds? I see that some a/c (s/N 671,674 etc) have a different set of blisters on on nose and inlet fairing and also conformal tanks as compared to older a/c (s/N 94-0283,96-5034 etc).
 

OPSSG

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Does RSAF 2 versions/blocks of F-16Ds? I see that some a/c (s/N 671,674 etc) have a different set of blisters on on nose and inlet fairing and also conformal tanks as compared to older a/c (s/N 94-0283,96-5034 etc).
Yes, we have 2 versions of F-16Ds. Block 52 and block 52+.
 

OPSSG

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IF i may indulge with another question, whats the difference between these 2 versions??
When I refer to block 52+, I am specifically referring to the 20 Blk 52+ F16D acquired under the Peace Carvin IV program. All other RSAF F-16Ds (other than the Peace Carvin IV planes) are referred by me as block 52s.

In all honesty, I cannot quantify the distinction between the RSAF's block 52 and block 52+ as the RSAF did not declassify the differences. However, I understand that the main differences for these 2 blocks are mainly internal - just what is different has never been declassified. For those who want to speculate, you can compare the pictures to that of those in the F-16Is. Pictures have shown the RSAF vipers flying with the DASH-3 HMS integration sensors attached to the canopy.

The main thing to keep in mind is that the RSAF does not operate 'standard' block 52s either. It is really hard to track what has been upgraded/changed internally. Take for example, it has been announced that our F-16s are going to be upgraded with Sniper ATPs. I also know that Singapore F-16s have upgraded flight computers (made by Singapore Technologies - with the 'air platform enhancement team' winning an award in 2007) but again I have no further details.
 
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dave_kiwi

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Go to page 50. The AEW & C Gulfstreams can also be equipped with powerful SAR systems providing an even clearer long range land and sea picture in addition to an outstanding air surveillance picture. It is speculative if Israel and Singapore have incorporated them in thier AEW & C systems. However, it would definitely be very useful in the cluttered environments both Singapore and Israel are operating in. I think there is reason to suspect that such a system is on the Israeli AEW & C planes and that they were used during the GAZA operation. Comments?

Defense Technology International | Feb-09 | Express 3 | Zinio Digital Magazines

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/channel_dti.jsp?channel=dti
Just really an FYI - saw the Gulf Stream today doing "approaches" to Paya LeBar Air Base - actually flew over head as i was walking to work (as in right over me -- work in the SINGPOST "Saucer" for those who know) -- side mounted radar shows up quite well in silhouette :).

Also very quiet ..... unlike the F-16s practicing for National Day.
 
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