Future British tactical missiles

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swerve

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The missile projects grouped together under Team Complex Weapons seem to be proceeding apace. There is now more information, & some interesting pictures. on the MBDA site.

http://www.mbda-systems.com/mbda/sit...eapon_226.html
http://www.mbda-systems.com/mbda/site/ref/scripts/siteFO_contenu.php?lang=EN&noeu_id=285&page_id=459
http://www.mbda-systems.com/mbda/site/ref/scripts/EN_Press-info_287.html

The first picture of Fire Shadow being launched is good, until you zoom in. Rather naff artwork on the nose. Ah well.

To summarise -
CAMM - Common Anti-air Modular Missile. Based on Asraam. Future SAM, for both land and (most significantly) naval applications, & AAM. To replace Asraam, Seawolf, Rapier. Includes cold launch canister, quad-packable in Sylver. Flight tests & cold launch tests.
Fire Shadow - loitering munition. Mainly for Royal Artillery, but potential naval applications. Flight tests.
FASGW (Heavy) - Sea Skua derivative, to replace Sea Skua. Also sought by France for its ANL requirement. IIR guidance, doubled range.
FASGW (Light) - LMM - Starstreak ground-attack derivative for UAVs, helicopters & surface platforms. Laser guidance.
SPEAR - 50kg class weapon. Seems to be a Brimstone derivative. Alternative seekers & warheads, for fast jets, helicopters & UAVs.
SPEAR 2 - 100 kg class weapon: version of FASGW(H) for air-ground use from fast jets.
Storm Shadow capability enhancements.

There's a heavy emphasis on re-use of technology: not only the derivative nature of most of the weapons, but also subsystems such as warheads & seekers.

It seems rather too good to be true. This is not the MoD we know & hate: this is sensible. A wide range of weapons which the armed forces actually want, with the forces driving the requirements; co-ordination between projects, re-use of technology, a determination not to re-invent the wheel, & modularity so we don't fall into the Brimstone trap (a great anti-armour weapon, but until modified, of little value in the wars we're now fighting). Most of these products also look very exportable.


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riksavage

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swerve said:
The missile projects grouped together under Team Complex Weapons seem to be proceeding apace. There is now more information, & some interesting pictures. on the MBDA site.

http://www.mbda-systems.com/mbda/sit...eapon_226.html

The first picture of Fire Shadow being launched is good, until you zoom in. Rather naff artwork on the nose. Ah well.

To summarise -
CAMM - Common Anti-air Modular Missile. Based on Asraam. Future SAM, for both land and (most significantly) naval applications, & AAM. To replace Asraam, Seawolf, Rapier. Includes cold launch canister, quad-packable in Sylver. Flight tests & cold launch tests.
Fire Shadow - loitering munition. Mainly for Royal Artillery, but potential naval applications. Flight tests.
FASGW (Heavy) - Sea Skua derivative, to replace Sea Skua. Also sought by France for its ANL requirement. IIR guidance, doubled range.
FASGW (Light) - LMM - Starstreak ground-attack derivative for UAVs, helicopters & surface platforms. Laser guidance.
SPEAR - 50kg class weapon. Seems to be a Brimstone derivative. Alternative seekers & warheads, for fast jets, helicopters & UAVs.
SPEAR 2 - 100 kg class weapon: version of FASGW(H) for air-ground use from fast jets.
Storm Shadow capability enhancements.

There's a heavy emphasis on re-use of technology: not only the derivative nature of most of the weapons, but also subsystems such as warheads & seekers.

It seems rather too good to be true. This is not the MoD we know & hate: this is sensible. A wide range of weapons which the armed forces actually want, with the forces driving the requirements; co-ordination between projects, re-use of technology, a determination not to re-invent the wheel, & modularity so we don't fall into the Brimstone trap (a great anti-armour weapon, but until modified, of little value in the wars we're now fighting). Most of these products also look very exportable.


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Pleased to see LMM is taking the lead from Starstreak, the speed and three round sabot configuration make for a very potent weapon. I would like to have seen this used as a replacement for Phalanx, similar to RAM, but utilising a Starstreak canister. The kinetic force of the three sabots makes it a suitable choice against both air and small waterborne targets (fast attack / suicide craft) in a littoral environment.
 
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King_Typhoon

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swerve said:
The missile projects grouped together under Team Complex Weapons seem to be proceeding apace. There is now more information, & some interesting pictures. on the MBDA site.

http://www.mbda-systems.com/mbda/sit...eapon_226.html

The first picture of Fire Shadow being launched is good, until you zoom in. Rather naff artwork on the nose. Ah well.

To summarise -
CAMM - Common Anti-air Modular Missile. Based on Asraam. Future SAM, for both land and (most significantly) naval applications, & AAM. To replace Asraam, Seawolf, Rapier. Includes cold launch canister, quad-packable in Sylver. Flight tests & cold launch tests.
Fire Shadow - loitering munition. Mainly for Royal Artillery, but potential naval applications. Flight tests.
FASGW (Heavy) - Sea Skua derivative, to replace Sea Skua. Also sought by France for its ANL requirement. IIR guidance, doubled range.
FASGW (Light) - LMM - Starstreak ground-attack derivative for UAVs, helicopters & surface platforms. Laser guidance.
SPEAR - 50kg class weapon. Seems to be a Brimstone derivative. Alternative seekers & warheads, for fast jets, helicopters & UAVs.
SPEAR 2 - 100 kg class weapon: version of FASGW(H) for air-ground use from fast jets.
Storm Shadow capability enhancements.

There's a heavy emphasis on re-use of technology: not only the derivative nature of most of the weapons, but also subsystems such as warheads & seekers.

It seems rather too good to be true. This is not the MoD we know & hate: this is sensible. A wide range of weapons which the armed forces actually want, with the forces driving the requirements; co-ordination between projects, re-use of technology, a determination not to re-invent the wheel, & modularity so we don't fall into the Brimstone trap (a great anti-armour weapon, but until modified, of little value in the wars we're now fighting). Most of these products also look very exportable.


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Correct: CAMM doesn't replace to ASRAAM, - It is Base on ASRAAM (like Base Sidewinder into Chaparral) CAMM replace RAPIER and SEA WOLF, Work Same Way In RAM system just different is 3 darts in 1 missiles.

Navy Will Still Use Harpoon And UPGRADE sea skua.

LMV (starsteaks) they are upgrade to MK2 now in british army at current which few info about it. thought they can perform Anti-Light armour (boat or vehicle) and Anti-Aircraft.
 
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swerve

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King_Typhoon said:
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Correct: CAMM doesn't replace to ASRAAM, - It is Base on ASRAAM (like Base Sidewinder into Chaparral) CAMM replace RAPIER and SEA WOLF, Work Same Way In RAM system just different is 3 darts in 1 missiles..
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Afraid not. The initial intended purpose is surface-air, particularly naval, but it is being put forward as an eventual Asraam replacement, according to the press briefings on the MBDA website.

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Although it has only been in service since 2003, consideration needs to be given to future requirements and, therefore, the next generation of ASRAAM (Advanced Short Range Air to Air Missile), currently in service with the Royal Air Force. The CAMM solution has evaluated the future need and by utilising the existing ASRAAM airframe, with its proven high manoeuvrability, aircraft integration and clearance costs can also be minimised. CAMM is being developed to engage air targets in highly cluttered environments and adverse weather conditions"

Follow the CAMM link on this page - http://www.mbda-systems.com/mbda/site/ref/scripts/EN_Press-info_287.html
 
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King_Typhoon

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ahhhh thanks for interest detail, swerve. i was surf wiki, it have mention it use asraam replace, sea wolf and rapier. it's my mistake use wiki for reliabilty detail. thanks for post these link :). asraam just in service, why camm replace it? or update asraam to for fix all 3 services?
 
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