New Serbian MRAP/MRAV vehicle ,,Lazar''
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It is more as information to the DT forum members, but it is interesting as a new moment in Serbia 's intention to get over 200 8x8 combat vehicles, some rumors were that Patria or btr-90 a favorites, but now it is under question! And for the discussion, maybe ; How it looks to you as people who are interested in military tech, it shoud be mix between two concepts of MRAP /MRAV, etc. And It is new type!
Interesting design. Reminiscent in many ways of the succesfull OT-64 Skot developed jointly by Poland and Czechoslovakia in the 1960s. Likely based on the chassis of the LRSV-262 M87 Orkan ("Hurricane") MLRS
. Is it offered for export and which countries - if any - are interestes in buying
. Is it offered for export and which countries - if any - are interestes in buying
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if you look purpose, weaponry (cannon and malutka AT) it should be interesting for iraq or countries that have soldiers in Iraq, Afghanistan or similar problems like in those countries, there is not yet any specific orders by any countries, but as i sad this is still prototype, and orders are to be excepted! yes, it is m87 orkan chassis, at list looks like it
proven things should not be changed!!!
What advantages does it have over comparable vehicles, Stryker, LAV-III, BTR-90A, etc.? Because all three of those are alreardy in production, and are likely to remain in production for a while. Which means upgrades will be available, the prices will be low due to economies of scale, spares are likely to be easy to get, and all 3 are also fairly proven designs.
EDIT: I'm not trying to turn this into a "which is better" debate. Just curious why you think it will have market success, when alternatives that are already on the market are a far more reliable choice.
EDIT: I'm not trying to turn this into a "which is better" debate. Just curious why you think it will have market success, when alternatives that are already on the market are a far more reliable choice.
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well it is possible to compare those vehicles, ( on technical data level), but this is still prototype, and i think the main advantage of ,,Lazar'' will be price compared to those other MRAP/MRAV vehicles, and the fact that it joins in self those two concepts !
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This vehicle isn't developed to compete with the APC's like Piranha (and its versions) and BTR-90 but as previously said it is MRAV/MRAP vehicle. As homer says it should satisfy the needs of a customer that wants to operate in areas like Iraq and Afghanistan where a major threat is an IED. It's major purpose should be to transport troops from point A to point B keeping them safe from the mines. It's should provide limited fire support, but the weapons attached to it are mainly for self protection purposes.
One thing that I don't like about it are the windows on the sides of the vehicle as they may be very vulnerable point.
Hi homer,
is there an English source available?
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As far as the Serbian Army is concerned, they said previously that they need around 200 vehicles (preferably wheeled APC's). Sources close to the army were reporting that serious contenders might be Austrian Pandur, Finish Patria, Swiss Piranha and Russian BTR-90. If the Russian option would be taken that most probably it would include some kind of mix of BTR-90 and Vodnik modular vehicles. Until now, nothing official was said on the topic nor by the army nor by the MoD. The lack of money will probably delay this purchase and I don't know if Lazar would fit requirements (if those are known) as it is different type of vehicle to what was primarily wanted. Anyway, Lazar is still in developing phase so we'll see what will come out of it.
Thanks, but the article says nothing about the Lazar...?
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LOL... You are right. Funny thing is that versions in Serbian and English are a bit different but they are both describing the visit of Minister of Defense to Iraq.Thanks, but the article says nothing about the Lazar...?
In Serbian version Minister Sutanovac is quoted saying that "Iraqis are fascinated with the new armored vehicle Lazar".
No, but then it has to compete with other MRAPs such as the Cougar, or others, which are already in large scale serial production, have a solid history of sales, post-sale support, and further platform development, and typically are western oriented meaning the integration cost is typically lower.
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Well, I agree there but knowing the Yugoimport SDPR (company that produces Lazar) this vehicle should have the highest chances among their ex-customers (primarily Kuwait and Iraq) as this company has very good relations with those two countries. It's advantage should be much lover price compared to the most of it's competitors.
Lazar is still "green" as it is in development phase and God knows how it will evolve but as you said Feanor knowing that the competition is already there designers of Lazar should hurry up and finish their toy if they are to grab a portion of the MRAP/MRAV market.
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Truth Feanor, but ,,Lasta'' was also just a project no more than a prototype, it had many competitors like polish ,,Orlik'', Texan, Pilatus, etc. And in the end ,,Lasta'' was the winner
http://www.odbrana.mod.gov.rs/arsenal/arsenal024/arsenal-02-06.pdfbut more so because of the debt Iraq had to Serbia, then Lasta's own qualities.Truth Feanor, but ,,Lasta'' was also just a project no more than a prototype, it had many competitors like polish ,,Orlik'', Texan, Pilatus, etc. And in the end ,,Lasta'' was the winner
Let's face it, it was obsolete a long, long time ago. Even so, it's good to have a firm order to get the industry going, and possibly pay for the planned but never executed G-4M update.
BTW, how much Lasta's did Iraq order?