Israel Attacked Ghaza Strip

[waraich]

Israel Strikes Hamas, at Least 225 dead
By Keith A. Fournier
12/27/2008
Catholic Online (www.catholic.org)

The Middle East is once again the center of violence on this Second Day in the Octave of Christmas when so much of the world is commemorating the Nativity of the One who is the path to peace.

http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=31270

Hamas leadership has to review their strategy ,first of all Palestinian should gather under one flag then start struggle for their independent state which is under Israeli occupation.

International community should put pressure on israel do not target any civilian population.

Present satuation in middle east can further escalate violance and hatred in majority muslim population in region and it will also damage the middle east peace process.

 

[Feanor]

What do you suggest doing when MLRS racks are hidden under civilian dwellings, and the families are receiving money from the various groups to keep them there? In my opinion that makes those families combatants.

 

[Twister]

US, Israel and Fatah Government to be blame most.

With failed of US peace plan, Israel next election which power monopoly at the radikal jews hand and failed of Fatah government lead the people of Gaza do what ever necessary for their Freedom.

Gazan supply has being stopped, in all direction even after their agreed to maintain cease fire.

 

[shrubage]

Israel was planning this for a while but apparently decided to wait untill they could see how hamas responded the expiration of the ceasefire. The reason there were so many casualties is that Hamas expected an attack after the next Israeli cabinet meeting and so was totally unprepared.

Anyway its simple stop firing rockets at Israeli towns and the airstrikes will stop.

 

[Twister]

Latest news, Israel ready to crush Gaza via land after taken some serious air raid which killed about 300 Gazan. Look like aging Hamas strategies seem to be failed for now but still early to say.

As usual, weakest Hamas only have side arms (light infantry weapon) such as handgun, assault rifle (7.62mm AK-47), RPG-7 (40mm), light mortar (posibblely 50mm & 82mm), IED and Rocket launcher version of Stalin Organs 122mm. However, because most of the Gaza terrain is town and the people seem give them full support, Hamas still consider strong against Israel Armed Forces.

While Israel have the best military asset and equipment in Middle East and consider the most experience military manpower. But the weakness of Israel Armed Forces (even thou they called themselves as Israel Defence Forces, but most of their action not seem so) is their population.

 

[waraich]

Latest news, Israel ready to crush Gaza via land after taken some serious air raid which killed about 300 Gazan. Look like aging Hamas strategies seem to be failed for now but still early to say.

As usual, weakest Hamas only have side arms (light infantry weapon) such as handgun, assault rifle (7.62mm AK-47), RPG-7 (40mm), light mortar (posibblely 50mm & 82mm), IED and Rocket launcher version of Stalin Organs 122mm. However, because most of the Gaza terrain is town and the people seem give them full support, Hamas still consider strong against Israel Armed Forces.

While Israel have the best military asset and equipment in Middle East and consider the most experience military manpower. But the weakness of Israel Armed Forces (even thou they called themselves as Israel Defence Forces, but most of their action not seem so) is their population.

No doubt , Israel have shown their air supriority in 67,73 wars but after labenon war Israel army can not be considered best army in middle east.They have only edge of nuke war heads.

Israel have started full fledge war against Palestinans ,it can spread other countries like Lebanon,Syria,Jorden then it will be difficult to control and also not in favour of US efforts of peace in Iraq.Al Qaida again may take advantage of this satuation .

Middle east peace process is in danger due to this stupid action .

 

[dragonfire]

Update - Israel declares 'all-out war' against Hamas

Israel declares 'all-out war' against Hamas
29 Dec 2008, 1551 hrs IST, AFP

JERUSALEM: Israel’s defence minister Ehud Barak said on Monday that Israel was in an "all-out war against Hamas" as the Jewish state continued massive bombardment of the Islamist movement's installations in Gaza.

"We have nothing against Gaza residents, but we are engaged in an all-out war against Hamas and its proxies," he said.

"This operation will expand and deepen as much as needed," he said. "We went to war to deal a heavy blow to Hamas, to change the situation in the south."

"We will avoid as much as possible hitting civilians while the people of Hamas and other terrorists deliberately hide and operate within the civilian population."

"We do not want to hit children and women and we will not prevent humanitarian aid" from reaching the besieged enclave, he said.

Barak said that Israel's massive operation was in self-defence to ongoing rocket fire from the Gaza Strip, which has been under Hamas rule since the Islamist movement violently assumed power there in June 2007.

He recalled a conversation with Barack Obama during the US president-elect's June 2008 visit to the Israeli city of Sderot that is regularly targeted by Gaza militants.

The minister quoted Obama as saying: "had anyone fired rockets against my home while my two daughters were sleeping I would have done everything to stop him and I assume the Israelis would do the same thing."

"That is what Obama said and that is what we are doing," Barak said.

Israel unleashed on Saturday a massive bombardment on Hamas targets in Gaza, in a blitz that has killed more than 310 Palestinians and wounded more than 1,400 other, according to medics.

Two Israelis have been killed and some 20 other wounded in retaliatory rocket attacks from Gaza.

Looks like Hamas and the populace is in trouble

 

[Firn]

No doubt , Israel have shown their air supriority in 67,73 wars but after labenon war Israel army can not be considered best army in middle east.They have only edge of nuke war heads.

I'm hard pressed to find a better one in the middle east, bar the US forces in Iraq.

Israel have started full fledge war against Palestinans ,it can spread other countries like Lebanon,Syria,Jorden then it will be difficult to control and also not in favour of US efforts of peace in Iraq.Al Qaida again may take advantage of this satuation .

Middle east peace process is in danger due to this stupid action .

I wonder what else could have Israel done. The Palestinians have choosen Hamas and Hamas has done everything they could to provocate Israel and made the Palestinians suffer.

Syria, Jordan and the Lebanon won't dare to move openly against Israel,

 

[ROCK45]

Hamas

The Hamas should know by now they draw fire it's them who should move away from civilian dwellings. They should be held accountable to the suffering they bring to the Palestinians, this gets over looked.

Firn- Welcome to the forum you post is right on the mark.

Feanor - Your point is very valid I wonder if the Hamas is paying the family next to the house with the launcher on the roof?

 

[Feanor]

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No doubt , Israel have shown their air supriority in 67,73 wars but after labenon war Israel army can not be considered best army in middle east.They have only edge of nuke war heads.

Israel have started full fledge war against Palestinans ,it can spread other countries like Lebanon,Syria,Jorden then it will be difficult to control and also not in favour of US efforts of peace in Iraq.Al Qaida again may take advantage of this satuation .

Middle east peace process is in danger due to this stupid action .

Rather unlikely. I can see Hezbollah stepping it up with these attacks, but no Arab government is willing to do to war with Israel. Especially not with old Soviet junk rusting in their armed forces. Not to mention Israel hardly "started it". You have to hand at least part of the blame to the rocket attacks.

I'm hard pressed to find a better one in the middle east, bar the US forces in Iraq.

I bet the Saudi's could give them a run for their money.

EDIT: Well speak of the devil. Turkish sources just indicated that Hezbollah units have been raised into a high readyness state. I'm sorry that the only source I have is Russian quoting a British-based Arabic-language newspaper. So it may be a bit of a hoax, but the possibility is definetly there.

http://newsru.com/world/30dec2008/hamas.html

 

[Twister]

In the territory like Gaza, with no standing army and the most density places on Earth, direct assult would be the problem. It's difficult to know who is Hamas personel and urban terrain may cause great danger to Israelist Army.

However, air raid, distance bombing and blaster would cause more civillian casuallities. Even if the target has been set, the damage will also cause dead to civillian.

The best solution is to continue cease fire or just peace process but seem unrealistic since Israel has more agenda then just to punish Hamas.

 

[dragonfire]

I wish India was in a position to retaliate to terrorist strikes with the kind of magnitude and impunity with which Israel retailiates to the terror strikes on its populace or on its territory/assets

 

[waraich]

I wish India was in a position to retaliate to terrorist strikes with the kind of magnitude and impunity with which Israel retailiates to the terror strikes on its populace or on its territory/assets

India even dont think of attacks, because Pakistan have nuke missiles and have strategic location advantage .

Israel know very well that Pakistan nuke program is Saudi finance could be threat for any further adventure with neighbouring arab countries that is reason very much intrested for peace deal with palistinians that is why affarid of gurrilla war threat from hamas and hazibullah could further increase danger for israeli to loose occupations and its own existance.

 

[dragonfire]

India even dont think of attacks, because Pakistan have nuke missiles and have strategic location advantage .

Yes that is precisely the reason that India is careful because unlike Israel, India has two nuclear weapon powers in the neighbourhood - Pakistan and China. That is why i said

I wish India was in a position to retaliate to terrorist strikes with the kind of magnitude and impunity with which Israel retailiates to the terror strikes on its populace or on its territory/assets

India has to be more careful beacuse any conflict could seriously escalate into a nuclear conflict. And a threat of nuclear retaliation (India has declared no first use policy) howsoever frightening in response to nuc attacks howsoever slight or small in nature, is not always a remeady especialy when one has to consider that extremists and radicals have great influence on certain administrations who in turn have lesser control over certain agencies. If you know wht i mean.......

Happy New Year Everyone

 

[waraich]

US, Israel and Fatah Government to be blame most.

With failed of US peace plan, Israel next election which power monopoly at the radikal jews hand and failed of Fatah government lead the people of Gaza do what ever necessary for their Freedom.

Gazan supply has being stopped, in all direction even after their agreed to maintain cease fire.

Very much true,International comunity and human right groups is considering the attacks on gazaian simmilar to when serbs attacking bonian civilian population having no miltery cammand,heavy weapons,air defence system.

Who ever support this murder by israel will feel guilty in the end.

 

[Preceptor]

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