Russia to get SU-35 by 2011

ROCK45

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Web site

Not the web site but the radar maker is making that claim. That would be world breaking military news if that were true.
 

Ozzy Blizzard

New Member
How good is the airforce-technology.com website? on this website for the Su 35 BM, it states "The radar can detect low-observable and stealth aircraft, unmanned air vehicles and missiles with a radar cross section of 0.01m² at ranges to 90km."

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/su-35/
Back of the napkin arithmetics tells me that the radar should detect an average MiG-29 (1m2) at a range of 900km. Wow, thats pretty impressive. Or what about a flanker? 5m2, 4500km. Wphewie what a system! who would of thought a 21kw peak power rated system could see a flanker in a reasonably high orbit. :rolleyes:
 

Haavarla

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FYI


As it stands right now the Russian Goverment has not placed a order for Su-35's.......nor do RuAF really want it. They would be happy to accept upgrade Su-27's until the arrival of the PAK-FA.........The Su-35 was developed mainly for export not as a stop-gap forthe PAK-FA.


Note: If, the RuAF ever get any Su-35's it would likely be a small number just to boost the chances of a export order.

Perhaps.. I have yet to find any hard evidence on the Russian DoD approving any order from RuAF on the new Su-35.
When i say hard evidence, i mean any statement from Sukhoi own sources.

Can anyone procure any reliable articles on this matter?

However, there circulates several article like these:

http://www.flightglobal.com/article...ian-air-force-seeks-24-36-su-35-fighters.html

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2008/russia-080220-rianovosti02.htm

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2008/russia-080714-rianovosti03.htm

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/Russias-SU-35-Mystery-Fighter-No-More-04969/#more-4969


Do you have any source claiming the RuAF don't really want the Su-35?
 
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Haavarla

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Back of the napkin arithmetics tells me that the radar should detect an average MiG-29 (1m2) at a range of 900km. Wow, thats pretty impressive. Or what about a flanker? 5m2, 4500km. Wphewie what a system! who would of thought a 21kw peak power rated system could see a flanker in a reasonably high orbit. :rolleyes:

Why can't you make the effort to share any of you findings with the rest of us?
It would go a long way in establish any credibility in those claims, or on the other side thrash them..:p:

What i want is some source/links from you, mate.
 

Haavarla

Active Member
How good is the airforce-technology.com website? on this website for the Su 35 BM, it states "The radar can detect low-observable and stealth aircraft, unmanned air vehicles and missiles with a radar cross section of 0.01m² at ranges to 90km."

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/su-35/

Well.. this can't be right?

"The total fuel capacity is 14,350l. In order to increase the unrefuelled range and endurance compared to earlier models the Su-35 incorporates additional tailfin and fin-root tanks. The fuel tanks are of aluminium lithium construction and are located in the wings, fuselage and in the square-tip twin tailfins. The unrefuelled range on internal fuel is 1,580km.

For in-flight refuelling the aircraft is equipped with a refuelling probe on the port side of the nose. Two external fuel tanks, type PTB-2000, provide an additional 4,000l of fuel. The ferry range with two external tanks is 4,500km."

14,350l?
It should be 11.500kg fuel.

And 4,000l in the external fuel tanks?
Isn't that way to much?

Here is the KNAAPO link:

http://www.knaapo.com/eng/products/military/su-35.wbp
 

Feanor

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Staff member
Here's a little on it from izvestia. The last line in the article claims that the first planes will be received in 2010 by the VVS.

http://www.izvestia.ru/armia2/article3112882/

http://www.cybersecurity.ru/armament/51042.html

The second one quotes Mikhail Pogosyan, head of Sukhoi, that the VVS is set to receive the Su-35, and that there are already foreign requests for it.

In the middle of this article they quote Zelin (head of the VVS) that the Su-35 will be in service in at lest 2-3 regiments. I've seen this quote in several other articles, on rian.ru, and other sites. So I'm guessing that the only statement of intent we actually have.

http://www.point.ru/business-news/2008/07/18/17131
 

Crusader2000

Banned Member
Perhaps.. I have yet to find any hard evidence on the Russian DoD approving any order from RuAF on the new Su-35.
When i say hard evidence, i mean any statement from Sukhoi own sources.

Can anyone procure any reliable articles on this matter?

However, there circulates several article like these:

http://www.flightglobal.com/article...ian-air-force-seeks-24-36-su-35-fighters.html

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2008/russia-080220-rianovosti02.htm

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2008/russia-080714-rianovosti03.htm

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/Russias-SU-35-Mystery-Fighter-No-More-04969/#more-4969


Do you have any source claiming the RuAF don't really want the Su-35?
I've had this debate before.............these sources make claims and state intentions. Yet, Russia is will know for promises that they never keep. As it stands right at this moment Russia has not placed a order for Su-35. That is other than the test models............I believe just two aircraft? As for the source claiming the RuAF don't really want the Su-35. Well, if you are talking about one from a official source no. Of course that would be a career ender or even worse for any Russian Offical or Military Officer!;) Yet, if a order isn't place soon. What would be the point of the RuAF wanting the type vs the forthcoming PAK-FA????
 

kato

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14,350l?
It should be 11.500kg fuel.
11500 kg / 0.8 kg/l = 14,375 l.
At least with JP8 fuel @ about 16°C.

And 4,000l in the external fuel tanks?
Iirc it's standard only 2x 1700 l drop tanks on the Su-35 (roughly 2x 3000 lb payload on centerline pylons). Although using 2000 l tanks - no probs. It's not exactly a particularly phenomenal size, other aircraft (e.g. Rafale) also use 2,000 l drop tanks.
 

Salty Dog

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Iirc it's standard only 2x 1700 l drop tanks on the Su-35 (roughly 2x 3000 lb payload on centerline pylons). Although using 2000 l tanks - no probs. It's not exactly a particularly phenomenal size, other aircraft (e.g. Rafale) also use 2,000 l drop tanks.
AFAIK Flankers do not carry external fuel. Where did this come about?
 

Feanor

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Staff member
I've had this debate before.............these sources make claims and state intentions. Yet, Russia is will know for promises that they never keep. As it stands right at this moment Russia has not placed a order for Su-35. That is other than the test models............I believe just two aircraft? As for the source claiming the RuAF don't really want the Su-35. Well, if you are talking about one from a official source no. Of course that would be a career ender or even worse for any Russian Offical or Military Officer!;) Yet, if a order isn't place soon. What would be the point of the RuAF wanting the type vs the forthcoming PAK-FA????
The Su-35BM is supposed to start production in 2010-2011. The PAK-FA no sooner then 2015, possibly even later. Officially Zelin, head of the VVS, has publicly said that they are planning to equipe 2-3 regiments with them by the 2015 date. So that's roughly 48-72 aircraft. Unofficially I also have my doubts, and with the current financial crisis who knows what will happen.
 

Salty Dog

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http://www.sukhoi.org/files/su_news_29-08-07_eng.pdf

1,800 l tanks according to that. Yes, i know it's Takeoff Magazine, but i'd consider that article and all info officially sanctioned if you can find it on Sukhoi's own site.
Thank you kato. Nice handout material on the Su-35. It does mention provisions for two underwing 1,800 L drop tanks. It's just I've not heard of or seen photos of drop tanks on Flankers.
 

Feanor

Super Moderator
Staff member
In reply to F-117 is father of stealth(from page 1), that is wrong...technically the father would be SR-71 blackbird...
This discussion has been had on a much more indepth level, and the real father of stealth was located somewhere around WWI. Now please, lets get back on topic. Thanks.
 

Crusader2000

Banned Member
The Su-35BM is supposed to start production in 2010-2011. The PAK-FA no sooner then 2015, possibly even later. Officially Zelin, head of the VVS, has publicly said that they are planning to equipe 2-3 regiments with them by the 2015 date. So that's roughly 48-72 aircraft. Unofficially I also have my doubts, and with the current financial crisis who knows what will happen.

Well, when a official contract is signed and the aircraft are in production. Come back and see us............



You know what they say............proof is in the pudding.
 

macman

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That's some beautiful pictures, Haavarla.

Has anyone heard anything on whether they've done more tests on supercruise speeds...
 

Todjaeger

Potstirrer
How good is the airforce-technology.com website? on this website for the Su 35 BM, it states "The radar can detect low-observable and stealth aircraft, unmanned air vehicles and missiles with a radar cross section of 0.01m² at ranges to 90km."

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/su-35/
Read through the actual link, and I came to a somewhat different conclusion. Personally, I think the information on the website is poorly written and the info Airforce Technology got was somewhat misleading or unclear.

The way I interpreted the following...

The radar can detect low-observable and stealth aircraft, unmanned air vehicles and missiles with a radar cross section of 0.01m² at ranges to 90km.
It means that the radar has a max detection range of 90km, and is sensitive/accurate enough to be able to detect LO aircraft, UAVs and missiles, some of which can have a RCS of 0.01 m (squared). However, I do not interpret this as an actual declaration of being able to detect something with a RCS of 0.01 m (squared) at 90km. Given how it is written, I can see people doing that though.

-Cheers
 
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