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windscorpion

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HMS Northumberland will be leading the EU anti-piracy "armada" it has been revealed. HMS Cumberland and RFA Wave Knight are in the region also, anyone know what else is around RN wise and what the ships of the other 9 nations could be? I'm suspecting it will largely be ships already in the area or nearby.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/19/piracy-somalia-eu-operation-atalanta

re: fleet service dates

28 more years of the T23 to go, excellent as that is my favourite warship :)
 
kev 99

kev 99

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I think the news about escorts out of service dates are excellent, some of the best RN related news in a while, if you aren't getting any new escorts in a while best that you keep the ones you've got.
 
harryriedl

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swerve said:
The policy here is not to link to other fora, & as a moderator I should stick to the rules.

The Warships1 thread is called "Type 45 Units 7 & 8 Cancelled - FSC to be brought forward ", under the "Royal Navy" forum. It should be easy to find.
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thanks for the title it should be enough.
there Albion ,Argus are in the med I think there also a T-42 there as well
 
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riksavage

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The UK Government is about to authorise even more robust ROE's for the RN operating in the Gulf of Aden allowing them to take a far more aggressive stance against piracy. The Foreign Office has also negotiated with the Kenyan authorities to process any pirates caught (protect their human rights, no torturing etc). At last lessons learnt following the Cornwall debacle appear to be filtering through.

The extension of the RN vessel lives is good news and we should see upgrades / replacements for both Seawolf (new missile) and Phalanx (RAM). The growing concern of pirates directed and supported out of failed states means we need vessels at sea monitoring shipping lanes 365 days of the year for the forceable future. I can't see the RN taking two months off at Christmas like there Aussie counterparts this year!
 
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swerve said:
The policy here is not to link to other fora, & as a moderator I should stick to the rules.

The Warships1 thread is called "Type 45 Units 7 & 8 Cancelled - FSC to be brought forward ", under the "Royal Navy" forum. It should be easy to find.
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The Hansard link is this.
 
StevoJH

StevoJH

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riksavage said:
The UK Government is about to authorise even more robust ROE's for the RN operating in the Gulf of Aden allowing them to take a far more aggressive stance against piracy. The Foreign Office has also negotiated with the Kenyan authorities to process any pirates caught (protect their human rights, no torturing etc). At last lessons learnt following the Cornwall debacle appear to be filtering through.

The extension of the RN vessel lives is good news and we should see upgrades / replacements for both Seawolf (new missile) and Phalanx (RAM). The growing concern of pirates directed and supported out of failed states means we need vessels at sea monitoring shipping lanes 365 days of the year for the forceable future. I can't see the RN taking two months off at Christmas like there Aussie counterparts this year!
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If i remember correctly, CAMM will enter service starting around 2017 or 2018, probably on the T22B3 replacements first, followed by the T23's. The type 22's, Type 45's and Type 42's(which will all be gone within 3-4 years) are the only RN escorts with CIWS systems. The type 22's are fitted with goalkeeper though, which means they would need a relatively large refit to have anything else put in as a replacement. Either Sea Streak (possibly with an explosive warhead?) or RAM could be possible for the T45's in future though if the army decides they want to keep the phalanx's.

Sorry for the double post.
 
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riksavage

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The UK military currently has four ground based Phalanx units operating in Iraq manned by a mix of RAF, RN and Army crews. Unless they are planning on deploying Phalanx units to A-Stan I can't see a requirement for more ground based units in the short-term, which means as each 42 retires they can pass on their Phalanx system to a new 45, which in turn, subject to funding can have the gun repaced with a RAM launcher.

Moving forward when CAMM comes on line the Phalanx units could then, subject to condition and wear and tear, be given to the Army for FOB defence, particularly if the UK intends staying in A-Stan for the long haul.
 
kev 99

kev 99

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Both of those options have a potential knock on effect for the FSC programme which is due to start after CVF.
 
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windscorpion

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Yes its likely it will do, Cornwall is the first frigate to go in 2019, so if PoW is delayed until 2017 or 18 it will be a bit tight! :p: Mind you at least the carriers should be able to field JSF from the start until of waiting a few years... well hopefully.
 
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A couple of things:

1, it doesn't say how they could delay it-i.e. they could build the modules but delay the start of welding the modules together, or tie the ship up for 12 months without fitting it out etc....

2, CVF is built in modules, and once the modules are built other yards are free to commence with FSC, long before CVF is finished.

3, if Cornwall can have its service life extended to 2019 (by 4 years) then if it is desperate-which it probably isn't-they could 'probably' extend its life by another 6 or 12 months to cover the gap.
 
harryriedl

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windscorpion said:
Carriers could be delayed a year or two in cost-cutting move though Future Lynx is safe.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/bb1b9392-c252-11dd-a350-000077b07658.html?nclick_check=1

"According to industry insiders, the Ministry of Defence is considering two options: delaying the in-service date of the first carrier by 12 months or delaying the second ship by up to two years."

Ho-hum.
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it's possible but i would wait until the MOD annonce because we heard these stories for 4-5 years now with no evidence and its getting boring. the gov is running a keysen approch so state spending is good especialy if its big like CVF
 
kev 99

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Agreed about the reports, I suspect there will be some form of delay to the programme, stringing construction outsomewhat, outright cancellation would be idiotic at this point.
 
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windscorpion

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Well there was plenty of thundering in the broadsheets over the weekend.

Head of Royal Navy threatens resignation over push to scrap Harriers
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article5298898.ece

That is scrapped in 2013 though.

Falkland Islands to be left without warship
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3569163/Falkland-Islands-to-be-left-without-warship.html

Just an RFA apparently, oh and HMS Endurance which wasn't mentioned in the article.

http://jackspeak.royalnavy.mod.uk/2008/12/endurance-at-south-georgia/

Plus the Tornadoes, SAMs et cetera. Should be enough to defeat the Argentinians considering their armed forces are virtually the same as what they had left in 1982.
 
kev 99

kev 99

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windscorpion said:
Well there was plenty of thundering in the broadsheets over the weekend.

Head of Royal Navy threatens resignation over push to scrap Harriers
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article5298898.ece

That is scrapped in 2013 though.

Falkland Islands to be left without warship
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3569163/Falkland-Islands-to-be-left-without-warship.html

Just an RFA apparently, oh and HMS Endurance which wasn't mentioned in the article.

http://jackspeak.royalnavy.mod.uk/2008/12/endurance-at-south-georgia/

Plus the Tornadoes, SAMs et cetera. Should be enough to defeat the Argentinians considering their armed forces are virtually the same as what they had left in 1982.
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+ Clyde which is after all Falklands patrol ship, none of which would be able to do much if things did get heated, but we all know they won't so its not a huge issue.

As for the other stuff, the broadsheets are always 'thundering' they are just the usual interservice rivalry when budgets get tight.
 
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windscorpion

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Well yes "threatens to resign" means "i am annoyed and am saying this to make a point but i'm not really going to resign and you know it too".

Ah yes HMS Clyde, does it carry any Lynx + Sea Skuas in normal operation? Wiki says it just has guns but does have a flight deck.
 
kev 99

kev 99

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windscorpion said:
Well yes "threatens to resign" means "i am annoyed and am saying this to make a point but i'm not really going to resign and you know it too".

Ah yes HMS Clyde, does it carry any Lynx + Sea Skuas in normal operation? Wiki says it just has guns but does have a flight deck.
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It has a flight deck, no hanger, only weapons a guns, it really is just an OPV.
 
harryriedl

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windscorpion said:
Well there was plenty of thundering in the broadsheets over the weekend.

Head of Royal Navy threatens resignation over push to scrap Harriers
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article5298898.ece

That is scrapped in 2013 though.

Falkland Islands to be left without warship
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3569163/Falkland-Islands-to-be-left-without-warship.html

Just an RFA apparently, oh and HMS Endurance which wasn't mentioned in the article.

http://jackspeak.royalnavy.mod.uk/2008/12/endurance-at-south-georgia/

Plus the Tornadoes, SAMs et cetera. Should be enough to defeat the Argentinians considering their armed forces are virtually the same as what they had left in 1982.
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move along nothing to see hear!:D I do like seeing interservise rivalry forght in the paper its quite nice.
Why in gods name would the RAF want to get rid of the Harrier when for the last 7 years it was the primary CAS aircraft in A-Stan. Also the 75 number seems odd it counting the small wing harriers in storage as well as the big wing ones in service. Also the Harriers are running out of hours but that's common to all harrier operators.

I agree with you about the Falklands there is no imminent threat to Islands and its got a big garrison there anyway.
 
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riksavage

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Press sensationalism reference the Falklands. In 1982 the timing of the war was triggered by the departure of Endurance Ice Patrol Ship. The current resident OPV - Clyde offers a similar capability (minus a full-time chopper), which when coupled with the scheduled helicopter capable RFA (will carry Lynx with sea-scua) will still provide an adequate patrol force based on the current threat level. Also we have to take into consideration the Falklands today can act as a static aircraft carrier, capable of supporting a pretty potent air-group should relations with Argentina deteriorate.
 
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