Twenty die on Russian submarine
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What???
It's a pennant transfer after it passes trials.
The Indians have already had nuke training - and continue to undergo "of type" training. Thats normal on any commissioning on a new vessel of type. The Malays did it with their subs as well.
Older generation non-water based fire suppression systems are pretty fearsome once activated, they typically destroy the oxygen content in the air in a matter of seconds. Ordinarily an alarm will sound prior to activation giving the crew time to don breathing apparatus or get the hell out of there. Sounds like the Russian's are using an older system, which has largely been replaced in the West by an non-water based solution, which does not rely on the removal of the surrounding airs oxygen content.
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Hi all,
I just want to say that having a fire system fitted like Halon or Freon fitted on a submarine seems to verge on criminal negligence.
I happen to work for the biggest fire alarm company in the UK (Considered a world leader) and we have had gas based fire suppression systems for at least 10 years that are just as effective at fighting fires as old Halon/Freon, but pose no risk to life (they are also none explosive and none corrosive).
This stuff is freely available and there is next to no cost difference between the systems, whoever has the system fitted on that submarine should be persecuted in my opinion!
I just want to say that having a fire system fitted like Halon or Freon fitted on a submarine seems to verge on criminal negligence.
I happen to work for the biggest fire alarm company in the UK (Considered a world leader) and we have had gas based fire suppression systems for at least 10 years that are just as effective at fighting fires as old Halon/Freon, but pose no risk to life (they are also none explosive and none corrosive).
This stuff is freely available and there is next to no cost difference between the systems, whoever has the system fitted on that submarine should be persecuted in my opinion!
Russian expert hints gas mask shortage raised submarine toll: report
It seems there was a shortage of the breathing apparatus you mentioned. There are usually more folks aboard than normal as the SSN was on sea trials. Still, they should have overstocked the breathing apparatus for the sake of the additional persons onboard.
This is very sad,
The news reports and posts here seem to suggest a lack in following safety procedures.
often times people neglect safety procedures, from drivers of hazchems/hazmats trucks to workers/engineers at construction site to people using cooking gas at home.
Never forget safety, accidents do happen and oftentimes they happen without any warning when we least expect them.
I hope a genuine and sincere effort is made towards identifying the cause of this accident so that such tragedies do not occur in future.
The news reports and posts here seem to suggest a lack in following safety procedures.
often times people neglect safety procedures, from drivers of hazchems/hazmats trucks to workers/engineers at construction site to people using cooking gas at home.
Never forget safety, accidents do happen and oftentimes they happen without any warning when we least expect them.
I hope a genuine and sincere effort is made towards identifying the cause of this accident so that such tragedies do not occur in future.
Some more information going into a little more detail of the systems generally used on Russian subs:
http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20081110/118224041.html
http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20081110/118224041.html
exactly. none of us should lose sight of the fact that people lost their lives. the technology issues need to bear that in mind.
This summarises what is known so far-
Russia investigates sub disaster
So, if not Nerpa, which sub was going to India?
Russia investigates sub disaster
So, if not Nerpa, which sub was going to India?
Guys you have no enough info. That's why I don't post in this thread - accidents in Russian Army are always something like a great secret. And many times the truth was not discovered - even after fall of USSR the topic of different accidents in RuA is quite secret.
Here is article in Russian about this tragedy
http://www.lenta.ru/articles/2008/11/10/freon/
I want to say that I think it is truthful.
The main thought of this article is that there is a big chance that the reason is "human factor"
Here is article in Russian about this tragedy
http://www.lenta.ru/articles/2008/11/10/freon/
I want to say that I think it is truthful.
The main thought of this article is that there is a big chance that the reason is "human factor"
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Before anyone else posts more responses to this can we exercise a little respect and restraint. This is not leveled at anyone to date - but is a cautionary note
People have died in a tragedy. IMO, it's less than decent to engage in overspeculation at this point in time.
I suggest that we let this sit for a while and then revisit it with extra commentary when a little time has passed.
There is a risk that some of the existing commentary will be perceived as ghoulish or "ambulance chasing".
It's a leigitimate discussion item - but pause a little first before posting.
Thread closed for a few days.
There was a reason for my prev message.
There was a reason for my prev message.
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