U.S. to make final decision on future F-22.

[F-15 Eagle]

Anyways I think that the F-22 procurement was originally cut to 276, and only later to 179. Finally additional funds were added for 4 more. Giving us the current number of 183.

Yep and with any luck the number will go back to 276. With any luck that is.

 

[spectre000]

I think the USAF will be pretty lucky to get maybe 20-40 more Raptors. I believe this plan is to shore up funding for the F-35. Which as it stands now, the air force has admitted they'll be very hard pressed to fund 1,763 Lightning II's. Considering the international importance of the F-35 vs. the local importance of the F-22, I think the F-35 is the winner.

 

[F-15 Eagle]

I think the USAF will be pretty lucky to get maybe 20-40 more Raptors. I believe this plan is to shore up funding for the F-35. Which as it stands now, the air force has admitted they'll be very hard pressed to fund 1,763 Lightning II's. Considering the international importance of the F-35 vs. the local importance of the F-22, I think the F-35 is the winner.

I agree 100% with you on that my friend.

 

[Haavarla]

I think the USAF will be pretty lucky to get maybe 20-40 more Raptors. I believe this plan is to shore up funding for the F-35. Which as it stands now, the air force has admitted they'll be very hard pressed to fund 1,763 Lightning II's. Considering the international importance of the F-35 vs. the local importance of the F-22, I think the F-35 is the winner.

Ok, so we are now down to maybe 1,763 JSF's.
How big was the original number ordered by the USAF?

 

[F-15 Eagle]

Ok, so we are now down to maybe 1,763 JSF's.
How big was the original number ordered by the USAF?

The USAF planned for 381 F-22s but now they only have 183. The 1763 F-35s is still the same number as originally planned.

 

[Feanor]

The USAF origianlly planned for iirc over 600 Raptors.

 

[F-15 Eagle]

The USAF origianlly planned for iirc over 600 Raptors.

Wouldn't that be nice to have 600 F-22s but too bad that the budget cuts had to ruin everything.

 

[Feanor]

Too bad costs spiraled out of control and ruined everything

 

[zeven]

Wouldn't that be nice to have 600 F-22s but too bad that the budget cuts had to ruin everything.

183 raptors are more than enough if you look at present and future threats

is not like China can come up with something similar, or PAK-FA is just over rated, at least we can see russian propaganda still works.
a country that lost the entire 90s, cant convince me they are able to compete with US in 2010 - 2020 timeframe.

 

[neil]

The USAF is looking at a 25% plus, reduction in fighter numbers in 20 years time.

This is just a fact they will in all probability have to deal with, since economics won't allow them to replace fighters on a one for one basis.

The US Army and Marines should grow in numbers in the corresponding time period, whilst the Navy remains relatively steady.

The question now is.. what will 'peer threat' countries armed forces look like in 2030(in other words Russia and China)?

 

[F-15 Eagle]

The USAF is looking at a 25% plus, reduction in fighter numbers in 20 years time.

This is just a fact they will in all probability have to deal with, since economics won't allow them to replace fighters on a one for one basis.

The US Army and Marines should grow in numbers in the corresponding time period, whilst the Navy remains relatively steady.

The question now is.. what will 'peer threat' countries armed forces look like in 2030(in other words Russia and China)?

The U.S. currently has around 2400 fighters and attack aircraft. They will be replaced by 1946 F-22s/F-35s. Thats around a 450 reduction in jets but the next generation of fighters will be far more advanced and capable than current fighters so it wont really matter very much.

The U.S. has and will always have the best air force in the world but don't forget the aircraft used by the army, navy and marine corps as well.

By 2030 I think China could be a superpower that can challenge the U.S. and maybe even Russia as well. They will be a huge factor in U.S. military spending in the future.

 

[F-15 Eagle]

183 raptors are more than enough if you look at present and future threats

is not like China can come up with something similar, or PAK-FA is just over rated, at least we can see russian propaganda still works.
a country that lost the entire 90s, cant convince me they are able to compete with US in 2010 - 2020 timeframe.

If the PAK-FA is over rated then what does that make the SU-35? Ridiculously overrated?nfloorl:

 

[Haavarla]

The U.S. currently has around 2400 fighters and attack aircraft. They will be replaced by 1946 F-22s/F-35s. Thats around a 450 reduction in jets but the next generation of fighters will be far more advanced and capable than current fighters so it wont really matter very much.

Do you have any source to these numbers?

Well, if we look at the Russian armed forces, they too are cutting big time in Navy, army and airforce. I mean in quantity not quality..
The efficiency of weapons do increace all the time, right?
It's not just Russia, i think most of the Western Armed forces is cutting the numbers.



That's definitive the case with the Norwegian defence these days, less troops/fighter etc etc..

 

[Feanor]

If the PAK-FA is over rated then what does that make the SU-35? Ridiculously overrated?nfloorl:

What's your point? Whether the PAK-FA is over rated or underrated will be seen when it rolls out and we have at least some information on it's capabilities. Until then anything you can say isn't worth much. Even the Su-35BM hasn't been finalized yet.

 

[Haavarla]

If the PAK-FA is over rated then what does that make the SU-35? Ridiculously overrated?nfloorl:

I wouldn't be so confident that PAK-FA and Su-35BM is Ridiculously overrated as you clearly state..
Another thing is, Ridiculously overrated to what?

 

[zeven]

If the PAK-FA is over rated then what does that make the SU-35? Ridiculously overrated?nfloorl:

did i mention SU-35??

and tell me what goes in PAK-FAs favour?
Russians themselves promote it as a F-22 counterpart.

but it seems you live in the illusion that Russia still is a Superpower with healty military, and cutting edge technology. ther economy gets stronger for each day. but it have been quite bad for many years. and i dont think military R&D was top priority. so you dont need to be a rocket scientist to make question marks about PAK-FA is equal to F-22..

maybe Russia will be one, ones again. but not in the next decade or two.

so that brings us back to the main question, will Russia be able to counter F-22? heck noo, even China droped the project in favour of their own "5gen" program. why? not becuase they believe they can match F-22 but develop something similar to PAK-FA

 

[zeven]

might sound lile i hate Russian equipment. i dont.

and they have a lot of top class designs. but its so much more than supermanouverability and a power full radar thats needed.
- LCC, maintaince,realability.
- advanced HMI,
- communication, datalinking
- sensor/data fusion.
- network cooparabiltiy / net-centric

i cant see Russia scoring top rates here.

is not only the coolest gadgats that make a platform superior.

 

[Feanor]

might sound lile i hate Russian equipment. i dont.

and they have a lot of top class designs. but its so much more than supermanouverability and a power full radar thats needed.
- LCC, maintaince,realability.
- advanced HMI,
- communication, datalinking
- sensor/data fusion.
- network cooparabiltiy / net-centric

i cant see Russia scoring top rates here.

is not only the coolest gadgats that make a platform superior.

You're changing your critique in mid flight here. Are you critiquing Russia's ability to match the US in terms of an integrated modern air network? Or in terms of producing a platform that can come close to F-22 in performance factors? If it's the first, then I'll have to agree. If it's the second, then you don't know that for a fact, and neither do I. Time will tell.

 

[Haavarla]

did i mention SU-35??

and tell me what goes in PAK-FAs favour?
Russians themselves promote it as a F-22 counterpart.

but it seems you live in the illusion that Russia still is a Superpower with healty military, and cutting edge technology. ther economy gets stronger for each day. but it have been quite bad for many years. and i dont think military R&D was top priority. so you dont need to be a rocket scientist to make question marks about PAK-FA is equal to F-22..

maybe Russia will be one, ones again. but not in the next decade or two.

so that brings us back to the main question, will Russia be able to counter F-22? heck noo, even China droped the project in favour of their own "5gen" program. why? not becuase they believe they can match F-22 but develop something similar to PAK-FA

I agree with you that 183 F-22 should be enough, at least for the decade to come. Probl the next one too, considering the upcomming F-35.

I was only quoting F-15EAGLE, and never said you mention any Su-35.

As for the rest, you don't know squat about the PAK-FA.
Maybe you should leave it with that.

 

[zeven]

I agree with you that 183 F-22 should be enough, at least for the decade to come. Probl the next one too, considering the upcomming F-35.

I was only quoting F-15EAGLE, and never said you mention any Su-35.

As for the rest, you don't know squat about the PAK-FA.
Maybe you should leave it with that.

first, my post was aimed for F-15eagle and not for you.

about Pak-fa true i dont know much about the platform, however like i wrote, Russia can convince me, they are able to produce a platform that can match F-22, i never said Pak-fa will be a bad platform.,