Attack on Iran, Possible!!

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DarthAmerica

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Hezbollah's communications network was never in any real threat. At the end of the day when things got serious Hezbollah just decided it would take over West Beirut and came out of that incident with veto power in the central government. The only negative side-effect was in respect to its public image. This is serious, of course, but it would have been alot worse if it were to lose its communications network.

I also suspect that the prisoner release made Hezbollah partially recover in terms of PR. But I haven't read any good analysis on the prisoner release and the effects of it so far so I'm merely speculating. It's highly probable though that this made them look like stars in Southern Lebanon.

I disagree with you that Imad Mughniyeh's assassination necessarily means Syrian involvement or Israeli-Syrian cooperation. But I definitely think it initiated Hezbollah's (and by extension Iran's) recent distrust in Syria, which was only exacerbated by Syria's recent peace talk with Israel via Turkish mediation.

I partially agree you that Hezbollah is in not in as good as a position as in 2006-2007 but only in terms of PR. But you have to understand that the massive support for Hezbollah in '06 was right after a military victory against Israel. This was inevitably going to raise moral and support for Hezbollah into record highs. But it was also inevitably going to die down after a while. So, I don't think the comparison between 2006 and now is such a good one.

If you were to compare their position just prior to the 2006 war and now, they are in a much better position in terms of everything. Politically, they now have veto power, giving them the capability of making virtually any action taken against them by the central government illegal. In terms of public support they now have the Lebanese Shi'ite community solidly in their corner and enjoy broad support in the Arab world. And in terms of their military readiness and proficiency they are one of the best light-infantry combat units (if you were to consider them as such) in the region and also has one of the best special forces components in the region.

If you were to compare Hezbollah to just right after the Lebanon war then they are still better off now than they were before in terms of power in the central government and military capability.

I also disagree with your statement about Israel waiting for any excuse to engage in another war with Hezbollah. Nassrallah's current political position and the public support his organization has in Lebanon is still an order of a magnitude better than his Israeli counter-part's (Ehud Olmert) political power and support in Israel. If Ehud Olmert goes into Lebanon again and comes out with unsatisfactory results, which is highly likely, he would be pretty much securing his own resignation. Any move by Ehud Olmert against Hezbollah has to incredibly calculated and has to have a high-chance of success.

Also, Hezbollah has not been, by any means, militarily weakened since 2006. And still poses the same threat, if not an increased one, to an invading IDF as it did in 2006. Hezbollah also has an ability of learning from their experiences incredibly well (as shown in the 90's). Not to say that the IDF doesn't learn from its experiences well, also.

But Israel can't just go into Southern Lebanon with a half-way decent excuse, like you put it. That's what they did in 2006 and look what happened.

If the IDF goes in with obscure or unachievable objectives then it would just be producing a defeat for itself.

This coupled with Israelis leaderships current political position make it unlikely that Israel would go into Southern Lebanon again without provocation or good reason. And Hezbollah will certainly not start another war.

I don't think another war is likely in the foreseeable future unless something extraordinary happens. But then again, the 2006 Lebanon war was itself a product of gross miscalculation and such miscalculations may happen again. This is why they call the Middle East a volatile region.

P.S. To the mods: Sorry, for going so off-topic. I thought the issue was wroth addressing in a more detailed manner in order to give a clearer picture of the current and future situation of Iran's most effective proxy in the Middle East.

Strongly disagree on the status of Hezbollah. They are against the ropes and desperate. If I'm Hezbollah and I see the Syrians reaching out to the Americans and Israelis, there are black clouds on the Horizon. However, as you point out. This is sort of off topic unless we consider that an attack on Hezbollah is akin to an attack on Iranian interest. If we continue in that context I don't see too much of an issue. But I'll defer to the rest of you and the mods on that. However, I'd like you to consider the manner in which Imad Mughniyeh was assassinated. Think about that a bit with regard to Hezbollahs COMSEC. More later if relevant and on topic.

-DA
 

stigmata

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I'd like to mention my good friend, a well educted attorney and christian from Lebanon, has recently sided with hezbollah, her reason is corrupt politicians, and she feel that hezbollah is going to reduce that.
She also concider hezbollah being their only defence against Israel, which she concider a competitor for tourists etc.
According to her, this is a general take for many lebanese on the situation.
 

Feanor

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Hezbollah is a very controversial organization. They're incredibly well organized and politcally savvy for a simple terrorist group, and from what I heard they actually helped rebuild Lebanon. On the other hand their anti-Israeli stance makes it hard to sympathize with them.
 

Zzims

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From reading the post on this thread, Ive come to see that everyone here seem to be in agreement that A Israeli Nuclear Strike is a viable option for Defense, while Iranian has made no such attempts to do so, other then the always misquoted "Wiping Israeli off the Map".

Been said, why Iran is being Actively threaten with USN and Israeli Bombers which are going around town with War games in preparation of an Air strike in Iran, yet being accused of threatening peace in the region?. Wasnt it Israel who had its Nuclear deployment on standby during the Yom Kippur War? Be honest, who is the real threat here? Which country has been unilaterally attacked and destroyed said infrastructure in Countries in ME? Why are they allowed? Why isnt Israelis Nuclear Facilities be counted as a threat? In the end? Why is Israel support as such it is now?

Questions and more questions..

my 2 c.
 

Feanor

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Israel is politically and economically tied to the west, while radical Islam is traditionally opposed to the west. That's about all there is to it. No Israel does not play a positive role in the ME. Though I'm not sure it's even possible to play a positive role there right now.
 

eckherl

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I have been a round, just choosing to be more of a lurker lately. However current events peaked my interest in this topic enough to compel a response.

I think Iranian missiles of all kinds should be of paramount importance. Even though missile defense has improved significantly. The Iranian missile force has the mass to saturate the defense such that there will be leakers. A leaker with a 1000 pound warhead could cause horrific casualties. Moreover accuracy has been improved. Lots of the regional oil infrastructure could be vulnerable. Intelligence surveillance and reconnaissance is improved significantly since the SCUD hunt during the early 90s however Iran has significantly more strategic depth. It's a tough fight and lots of people could die. Might overall assessment of this Iranian capability is that it is a credible threat not easily countered.

-DA
That is pretty much what my primary concern would be, a few missiles getting thru and the amount of damage potential that could happen.
 
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ROCK45

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From reading the post on this thread

Hello

Zzims
From reading the post on this thread, Ive come to see that everyone here seem to be in agreement that A Israeli Nuclear Strike is a viable option for Defense,
Who said this I don't remember anybody in this thread saying the above. Saying this just makes it worse because everybody just locks into these words.

while Iranian has made no such attempts to do so, other then the always misquoted "Wiping Israeli off the Map".
No there's no misquoting Iran's government said this and there are press links in this thread to back that up.

While Iranian has made no such attempts to do so" because they don't have the weapons yet.


Been said, why Iran is being Actively threaten with USN and Israeli Bombers which are going around town with War games in preparation of an Air strike in Iran, yet being accused of threatening peace in the region?.
Why do you think this is happening for? Because of the direct support from Iran to certain groups that kill people that's why! That's the difference because Iran been providing support openly for years do this. Maybe for you, you accept that killing people from my country is alright but I don't and last people on earth I have want to have nuclear weapons down the road is Iran. That's why I get caught up in these type threads because I can't believe people don't see this.

Wasnt it Israel who had its Nuclear deployment on standby during the Yom Kippur War?
What do you expect for some stupid holly war sh_t and five or six countries ganging up, (and still lost anyway) on one little country. I can't go back in time and have the English and French split everything correctly and give everybody what they want, it's not 1948 anymore. I never seen a region where human life means so little and senseless killing is accepted and becomes a way of life if your from certain countries. It shouldn't be! This should be looked down at on every level.
 

ROCK45

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Good friend

Stigmata
I'd like to mention my good friend, a well educted attorney and christian from Lebanon, has recently sided with hezbollah, her reason is corrupt politicians, and she feel that hezbollah is going to reduce that.
She also concider hezbollah being their only defence against Israel, which she concider a competitor for tourists etc.
According to her, this is a general take for many lebanese on the situation.
The Hezbollah controls food supplies, medical, etc, so no I don't see this as a "good take" on the situation controlling these things are important. Haven't enough Christians been wiped out by most of the outside groups anyway? The Lebanese people were cheering in the streets right on the open news when the Syrians were leaving they would do the same if the Hezbollah were leaving that is as long as they wouldn't killed for it.

her reason is corrupt politicians, and she feel that hezbollah is going to reduce that.
You believe this crap?

Maybe another thirty years of throwing rocks at armed soldiers and being told what to do by outsiders is the way go for the Lebanese people!
 

eaf-f16

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@ROCK45

Are you part of Israeli pr? Seems like Israel can't do wrong from your comments.
Ignore him. That's what I do.

After explaining to him through my posts and PM's that world isn't so black and white he still seems to live in this fantasy world where Israel is the God-chosen "God Guy" and has never ever done anything wrong (i.e war crimes) and all of its enemies are despicable pricks who all deserve to be murdered.

But unfortunately for him, we live in the real world...:rolleyes:
 
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ROCK45

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Explain

eaf-f16
After explaining to him through my posts and PM's that world isn't so black and white he still seems to live in this fantasy world where Israel is the God-chosen "God Guy"
What's the point your not getting what I'm saying. It's your thinking and the way you view things makes this hopeless. As soon as I say some things you don't like "I get your not making sense' crap. Fine I'll let it drop too.
 
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Zzims

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Well, i might have been abit overzealous in my response, sorry for going off-topic.

Tho i would like to be able to post here,your quick response to my post might have been coiencendental, sure hope if your reporting me as you would ROCK45 as well for his posted comments. Try being more neutral.
 
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eckherl

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I did see an overall agreement that Israel can do what ever it wants even a Nuclear Strike on Iran.?

Aye so, what the western Media says we should just lock into? Oh really? I wont define a situation where it is manipulate by rate hungry Media for Israeli sympathy. Tho Israel has, with Nuc or Conventional Means threaten and attacked its neighbours. You would think they smarten up by now that peace will always allude them.

For one that war had so many mistakes. Two there was no 5 -6 countries, 3 countries actively support troops deployment Israel had help from the British, French, and the US through all Six wars, British and French deployed troops. Dont bet it on shear Israeli brilliance alone they won those war. Tell me why each war Israel couldnt do it itself? I did not see Soviet intervention other then Weapons and Training , The Europeans helped Israel and then some? the US stocked the Israelis with weapon as if it was a Ammo depot.

Honestly, Israel has no right to be there, and Has no right to claim existence after it was established. You cant go around stealing peoples homes and living there afterwards claiming it as your own because you lived there for so long? Senseless Killing is repaid in Kind, IDF has no principle in killing why shouldn't they receive in kind? and Eye for an Eye. Seem as if when an Israeli is Killed everyone should frown upon it, otherwise for any other nationalities. What is the worth of 1 grieving Israeli family to 50 Lebanese or Palestinian Families. You count that into your head.

I do not condone Killing of innocent bystander, but you got to understand Israel is as much as to blame as it is the Arabs or more. Dont get too self-righteous.
What does this load of bull shit have to do with the overall topic, please go back thru and edit your post or I will report you to administration.
 

Zzims

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What does this load of bull shit have to do with the overall topic, please go back thru and edit your post or I will report you to administration.
It has alot to do with the overall topic, Israeli aggression corespond with Iranian defense posture of striking into Israel and American forces, Which inturn relates to the Topics title "Attack on Iran Possible".

Iranian Nuclear development "if its a Nuclear bomb" to be used as deterrent to Israeli's intention of bombing Iran. Has alot to do. Dont prefix this as a present situaton. Your alot older (Sure hope so) that you should have known this. Iran wasnt rebuilding his Armed Forces yesterday its been trying rebuilding it since 1979. They saw whats coming, and no not everyone get to have all the goodies Israel has. So cheap modernization doesnt mean there is no modernization.
 

AegisFC

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Thread locked for a couple days, when it is unlocked play nice or the offenders will spend a few days enjoying the privileges of being banned.
 
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