Russian MiG's in Sudan ..... Again?

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http://www.sudantribune.com/spip.php?article27952

Apparently 12 Russian Mig's were supplied through Belarus. Russian Mo Foreign Affairs is denying it. The article says that the MiG's are based at Wadi Sayedna. Anyone here good at google earth and can maybe find the airbase? Also do you guys think Russia is supplying arms possibly through third parties?
 
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Chrom

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Feanor said:
http://www.sudantribune.com/spip.php?article27952

Apparently 12 Russian Mig's were supplied through Belarus. Russian Mo Foreign Affairs is denying it. The article says that the MiG's are based at Wadi Sayedna. Anyone here good at google earth and can maybe find the airbase? Also do you guys think Russia is supplying arms possibly through third parties?
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Belarus can perfectly sell Mig's on its own. No need for conspiracy theorities.
 
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ROCK45

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Belarus

Isn't Belarus the country that advised Algeria that there was something wrong with the Russian Mig-29 SMT's or how they were made?
 
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Just a reminder to check the spelling of your title when you post a thread. Fixed a spelling mistake for you.
 
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Chrom

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ROCK45 said:
Isn't Belarus the country that advised Algeria that there was something wrong with the Russian Mig-29 SMT's or how they were made?
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No, of course not. Belarus may actually partake in that contract. Most likely it was Ukrainians. But may be some other Ex-Warpac country.
 
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ROCK45

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Belarusian experts advised

Chrom I knew I saw it some place but the text doesn't match. Does this ring a bell but I can't find the article.

Re: Algeria MiG row -- Part 2
Belarusian experts advised Algeria to turn back MIG 29 aircrafts ... Algeria's decision returning MIG 29 aircrafts to Russia has been taken . ...
newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Soc/soc.culture.algeria/2008-02/msg00100.html - 11k - Cached - Similar pages

http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Soc/soc.culture.algeria/2008-02/msg00100.html

This is the search I did
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Who+advised+Algeria+to+refuse+Mig-29&btnG=Search
 
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Chrom

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ROCK45 said:
Chrom I knew I saw it some place but the text doesn't match. Does this ring a bell but I can't find the article.

Re: Algeria MiG row -- Part 2
Belarusian experts advised Algeria to turn back MIG 29 aircrafts ... Algeria's decision returning MIG 29 aircrafts to Russia has been taken . ...
newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Soc/soc.culture.algeria/2008-02/msg00100.html - 11k - Cached - Similar pages

http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Soc/soc.culture.algeria/2008-02/msg00100.html

This is the search I did
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Who+advised+Algeria+to+refuse+Mig-29&btnG=Search
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Most likely someone have understood something wrong - it is likely there were some blocks of Belarussian origin in these Mig's, not what Belarus advised against. Belarus value its close military and economical relations with Russia, and many Belarussian manufactures closely cooperate with russian corporations in internal and export contracts. As i said, it is very likely some parts in these Migs were of Belarussian origin.

P.S. Ah well, really everything is possible. Even some "independent" Belarussian experts. The main thing however remains clear - this refuse, whoever advised it, had little to do with any old parts and imaginable deficiencies.
 
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Feanor

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It probably had more to do with the SMT being an inferior machine in the first place.
 
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flyer19999

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Belarus supplied Russian MIG's to Sudan

I just saw where Belarus also supplied the S-300PMU1 and S-300PMU2 air defense missile system to Iran. I hope they can also supply Iran with the latest MIG-29 air defense fighter jets.
 
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flyer19999 said:
I just saw where Belarus also supplied the S-300PMU1 and S-300PMU2 air defense missile system to Iran. I hope they can also supply Iran with the latest MIG-29 air defense fighter jets.
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Lol? Belarus do not produce S-300PMU. At most they can sell old S-300 from USSR stocks, but it is also very unlikely. Either way, any rumors about S-300 in Iran from whichever sources are completely false.
 
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Belarus supplied Russian MIG's to Sudan

Iran already had the S-300PMU1 air defense system for several years now. The ones Belarus supplied are additional units to include S-300PMU1 and S-300PMU2. It makes perfect sense since accounts have said for some time that Russia would supply Iran with these missile thru Belarus.
 
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flyer19999 said:
Iran already had the S-300PMU1 air defense system for several years now. The ones Belarus supplied are additional units to include S-300PMU1 and S-300PMU2. It makes perfect sense since accounts have said for some time that Russia would supply Iran with these missile thru Belarus.
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Lol. Please, provide a credible link about S-300 in Iran ;)
 
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Grand Danois

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flyer19999 said:
Here is the link on Iran already having the S-300PMU1 missile system and about to get more:


http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1215331076183
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First the semantics; you said Iran already has them. The title of the article goes: 'Advanced S-300 on the way to Iran'.

Second, the source for this is Jane's who published a grotesquely absurd story on how S-300's were to be smuggled to Iran from Belarus. The sources for this? Unnamed individuals and speculations in the popular Russian press. *Not* a credible mix.

There are no S-300 in Iran. Only internet rumours and circular references (e.g. Rense and FAS). I thnk I've explained in another thread (about Syria?) how the rumour started. :D

Here is the link to the story in Jane's: http://www.janes.com/news/defence/systems/idr/idr080117_1_n.shtml
 
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Feanor

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Chrom said:
Inferior to what? To Mig-29M/M2? Su-30MKI? Sure. But Algerians knew what they ordered well before, dont they?
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Compared to the Su-30MKA (similar to the MKI) which they also ordered. Which is why they asked for more MKA's instead of the SMT's.
 
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Grand Danois

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flyer19999 said:
The following states that Iran procured a limited number of S-300PMU-1 missiles in 1993, the link is below. Before jumping to conclusions the article is paragraph eight so please read long enough to get to the article::eek:nfloorl:


http://missilethreat.com/missiledefensesystems/id.50/system_detail.asp
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And yet Iran has no S-300? That's because FI (the source, in hard copy) based it on speculations on observations of surveillance radars associated with the S-300. Elements unique to the S-300 complex has never been spotted by any means.

Btw, the Iranian defence minister said on dec. 26 2007 that Iran was set to receive S-300 in the future, so obviously a report that alledges possesion in 1993 must suck. On top of that the absence of logic in Russia exporting a top system to Iran in 1993.

So any source claiming that Iran had S-300 prior to dec. 26 2007 is false.

And again I'll believe it when I see the non-Photoshopped pics of S-300 in Iran.

Now think about that.

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