I already explained. Su-35BM is intended for export and was developed mainly for it. Small numbers might be bought by russian army for testing and marketing purposes.I thought the upgraded version was the one they were offering for export. Can someone please explain.
Thanks.
Russia to get SU-35 by 2011
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Sorry but things look otherwise. Alexander Zelin said Russia plans to form 2-3 regiments of Su-35's. I would imagine upgrading existing Flankers would be a more viable option, but it looks like they're getting the new ones after all.
http://arms-tass.su/?page=article&aid=56924&cid=25
EDIT: Zelin is head of the VVS.
EDIT2: Apparently the 117C engines on the new Su-35 are capable of supercruise.
http://arms-tass.su/?page=article&aid=56936&cid=25
http://arms-tass.su/?page=article&aid=56924&cid=25
EDIT: Zelin is head of the VVS.
EDIT2: Apparently the 117C engines on the new Su-35 are capable of supercruise.
http://arms-tass.su/?page=article&aid=56936&cid=25
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I am not at all surprised to learn that the Russians want to buy some SU-35, as you may have noticed in the last few years Putin has started spending the money from oil (second biggest exporter in the world..!) and gas on re-building the military, in a big manner... this is just the beginning....Russia is becoming rich very fast...
Video on Youtube that claims to show the second test flight of SU-35:
(h)ttp://youtube.com/watch?v=jfsjycSMMLo
Is there some form of analysis of the new SU-35 available? In particular I would be very interested in reading about how this new SU-35 would fare in an a2a situation with the euro-canards. Would the Eurocanards be killed off quite easily by the SU-35 or...? Another way of looking at it: Do you see the SU-35 as a strong argument for the European countries to scrap their expensive, newly-built Euro-canards and buy F-35 instead? (Yes I know several European countries will buy F-35, but not all, e.g. Germany, France, Sweden..)
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Ah, russian generals speak all kind of nonsense wishful stuff quite often. You know, like 3 carriers by 2015-2020 and so on.
There is no money planned for major Su-35 purchase in published 2015 military acquisition plan.
However, if PAK-FA will be delayed too much, some money could be relocated from it to Su-35 purchase.
http://mdb.cast.ru/mdb/1-2008/item2/article3/
I am confused... is this the new or old SU-35 ? Or is this source not trustworthy?
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Scorpion82
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@Vivendi,
no eurpean nation will scrap their ECDs because of the Su-35. I'm sure this aircraft is going to be quite impressive, but I'm not really convinced about the ECDs not being able to deal with this thread especially given the entire potential operational environment.
And yes the article you mentioned speaks about the new Su-35.
BTW the video is indeed one of the Su-35 prototype, but I have no idea if it is really its second flight.
no eurpean nation will scrap their ECDs because of the Su-35. I'm sure this aircraft is going to be quite impressive, but I'm not really convinced about the ECDs not being able to deal with this thread especially given the entire potential operational environment.
And yes the article you mentioned speaks about the new Su-35.
BTW the video is indeed one of the Su-35 prototype, but I have no idea if it is really its second flight.
Haavarla
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One Su-35BM(no.901) have allready made test flight.
I think it was in Feb 2008.
2 more Su-35(no.902-903) are due late 2008.
All 3 will be installed with the new NPO Saturn 117S engines with vectored thrust and supercruise capability.
Not entirely sure about the S/C capability..
No it will not be a export version of the new Su-35BM, not for years anyway..
They have export versions like the Su-27SK with no thrust vector and no carnards wings.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENZq6C17m_k"]YouTube - SU-27 SK[/ame]
The Irkut plant have the export versions Su-30MKI, Su-30MKA Su-30MKK and so on.
Those are upgraded to some extent.
I think it was in Feb 2008.
2 more Su-35(no.902-903) are due late 2008.
All 3 will be installed with the new NPO Saturn 117S engines with vectored thrust and supercruise capability.
Not entirely sure about the S/C capability..
No it will not be a export version of the new Su-35BM, not for years anyway..
They have export versions like the Su-27SK with no thrust vector and no carnards wings.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENZq6C17m_k"]YouTube - SU-27 SK[/ame]
The Irkut plant have the export versions Su-30MKI, Su-30MKA Su-30MKK and so on.
Those are upgraded to some extent.
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That is the new SU 35BM in the video. There is slight physical differences from the basic flanker.
The SUkhoi is an excellent fighter on subsonic speeds. But I believe with the introduction of the powerfull 117 engine which can supercruise, it will be able to hold better with the European fighters particularly the typhoon at higher speeds.
Find me the quote please. Russian generals have spoken crap in the past, but the carriers were mentioned with a 40-50 year timeframe.
The 2015 acquisition plan is already dead. This is the plan that envisioned 1400 T-90's produced.
That's crap. Negotiations about the Su-35 export are already underway with Venezuela and Libya. Whether they substantiate into anything or not remains to be seen, but the plane is certainly export oriented. The Su-27SK has seen barely any export compared to derivatives of of the Su-30MK.
So good job on disproving your own earlier claim. The mainstay of Russian fighter export has actually been mid to late gen. Flankers. Not the outdated Su-27SK which you mentioned.
F-15 Eagle
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The Russian Air Force plans to buy 182 SU-35BMs as a stop gap aircraft until the PAK-FA comes into service. Finally some numbers of how many will be built has been released.
Link: http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20080709/113624747.html
Link: http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20080709/113624747.html
Scorpion82
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Hm why do I have the feeling that this is one of many russian "we want have, but we aren't serious about it news releases.
182 is unlikely. Highly unlikely. Currently MDB listed 7 regiments of Su-27's in the VVS, out of which 36 are upgraded to the SM standard. Each regiment is roughly 2 squardons of 12 planes. 12 times 2 times 7 = ~168 planes. Maybe a little more (spare airframes, some regiments having an extra squadrons). 182 would replace practically the entire existing Flanker fleet.
EDIT: I can certainly see ~36 of the Su-35BM, with about another 120 of the SM2 standard Su-27's, and a handful of PAK-FA around the 2020 timeframe.
EDIT: I can certainly see ~36 of the Su-35BM, with about another 120 of the SM2 standard Su-27's, and a handful of PAK-FA around the 2020 timeframe.
As i said, there is all kind of nonsense flying in the air. Right now generals and MOD "sources" can whisper all kind of wishful stuff to news makers, but the fact is - in official 2015 procurement plan there is still no money for Su-35.
Regarding last source: the article is dated before 2008. Only by end February 2008 Putin, after celebration of first Su-35BM flight, publically suggested government to correct 2015 military acquisition plan, and consider including some SU-35BM in it. As you see, no Su-35BM purchase was ever planned by the time of article.
So far the plan wasnt corrected, and as i said all these flying numbers - 60, 182, 390 or whatever - are just as serious as 3 carriers by 2015 in russian navy.
I'm sure maximum 15-20 Su-35 BM would be acquired before 2013, and that only if no major export contract came.
There could be more Su-35BM acquired later, if PAK-FA will face too much delay and old Su-27 would run out of resource.
Regarding last source: the article is dated before 2008. Only by end February 2008 Putin, after celebration of first Su-35BM flight, publically suggested government to correct 2015 military acquisition plan, and consider including some SU-35BM in it. As you see, no Su-35BM purchase was ever planned by the time of article.
So far the plan wasnt corrected, and as i said all these flying numbers - 60, 182, 390 or whatever - are just as serious as 3 carriers by 2015 in russian navy.
I'm sure maximum 15-20 Su-35 BM would be acquired before 2013, and that only if no major export contract came.
There could be more Su-35BM acquired later, if PAK-FA will face too much delay and old Su-27 would run out of resource.
F-15 Eagle
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I thought Russia had much more SU-27s in service like around 320 or something.
The SM Flankers were iirc based in the Far East, i.e. near the Chinese border. As for numbers, we're talking about active aircraft. Not ones in storage.
Scramble lists 8 regiments as su-27 regiments, one more Su-27 as potentially disbanded, and 4 regiments that include some Su-27's in them, including the demo regiment with Russian Knights acrobatic team and the AVMF regiment which flies Su-33s and some Su-27UB's for training purposes. However the list is several year old. MDB listed 7 active Flanker regiments. It didn't mention the AVMF so that might account for some of the discrepancy.
EDIT: Yes Chinese MKK and MK2 would clearly outclass even the SM variants.
Scramble lists 8 regiments as su-27 regiments, one more Su-27 as potentially disbanded, and 4 regiments that include some Su-27's in them, including the demo regiment with Russian Knights acrobatic team and the AVMF regiment which flies Su-33s and some Su-27UB's for training purposes. However the list is several year old. MDB listed 7 active Flanker regiments. It didn't mention the AVMF so that might account for some of the discrepancy.
EDIT: Yes Chinese MKK and MK2 would clearly outclass even the SM variants.
MKK will not outclass SM - they are about the same. Mk2 is however slightly better.
Haavarla
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Dude, the Su-30 variants have been manufactured at the Irkut plant for years.. they are upgraded, but nothing compared to the new Su-35BM!
What is the designations of the export version of the KNAAPO?
And how many Sukhoi's have the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aircraft Production actully exportet recent years?
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