Turkey's "empty" spot
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I often think that a particular country should either only be admitted to any international organisation which Turkey might want to join if Turkey joins at the same time, or admitted only on the condition that it is has no say on Turkeys membership, if Turkey should ever ask to join. Or perhaps instead of a veto, it should have the option to quit, & be replaced by Turkey.
Such conditions could be made mutual, in the interests of fairness. :devil
lol If I was paranoid I would think that the other EDA partners let in a particular country that is adamant about not letting Turkey in any organisation that itself is already in... :nutkickI often think that a particular country should either only be admitted to any international organisation which Turkey might want to join if Turkey joins at the same time, or admitted only on the condition that it is has no say on Turkeys membership, if Turkey should ever ask to join. Or perhaps instead of a veto, it should have the option to quit, & be replaced by Turkey.
Such conditions could be made mutual, in the interests of fairness. :devil
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Atilla [TR]
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Is this what he said in the Grand national assembly?
You missed the second best fighter in the world.
The F-35A. So Turkey has already ordered a high altitude air supremacy fighter.
- The F-35 has longer range than the majority of the aircraft listed above. With the Suhkoi and F-15 with conformal tanks having a slight edge.
- The F-35 is as fast as the majority of the aircraft listed. The F-22 and Eurofighter being clearly quicker. The F-35 doesn't supercruise based on its manufacturers definition used to make the F-22 unique. However using the loose definition of Mach 1 without afterburners then the F-35 will supercruise by that definition along with the50 other aircraft that also supercruise based on that incorrect definition.
- The F-35 has the lowest radar cross section besides the F-22.
Considering Turkey is already buying the F-35 for its strike role then it does not need to buy an air dominance fighter, instead it would buy additional F-35's. However the the current order of F-35's most likely include the aircraft that will be tasked for air defence.
Remember as the F-35 has a slight range advantage over its competitions then when flying the same mission it will have fuel to spare. This extra fuel can be used to turn that range advantage into a speed advantage by lighting the burners for a short period of time.
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Also many aircraft that did not have super cruise originally now have super cruise, because in modification on engine Su-27 did not super cruise but the Su-35BM does. Also speed is not the only thing needed remember maneuverability but I just read an Airplane magazine and a F-35 test pilot said the Power (thrust) and handling (maneuverability, stability) where "Phenomenal" he continued to say he never flew anything like it. Remember this is the same guy that flew the F-22. Also people keep on saying stuff about how F-35 is not maneuverable, has anyone looked at the size of the wings compared to the Fuselage, the horizontal and vertical stabilizers are huge! Also notch one up for the Aim 120D which is going to have a range of 200 KM. I have lost all doubts I have had with the F-35, last note Eurofighter and Dassult either have a huge fan base or they are paying a lot of people money to get out there propaganda, on all forms of Media.
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F-4s is replaced by F-35
F-16 will serve long time.Turkiye think f-15 as a option for greece s EF options because Turkiye dont want to lose air superiority against to Greece.
Abaout F-22, i think America will never sell f-22 to Turkiye even anyone else.America and Turkiye always say "we are ally".but the truth is america always treat Turkiye as a market not a ally.
Sorry about english.i learnt it new...
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Merhaba Ozcar, I can tell you are Turkish by the way you say Turkey . Anyway I do not think the F-15 is an option for Turkey as the F-15 is very out dated. I partially agree about how the U.S will not sell the F-22, but over a span of time they will open up the sales. The F-22 very expensive so I doubt Turkey would want to waste money on it, even if they wanted to buy some the amount would be very small. I now think that the F-35 is the best option for Turkey and that it will keep air supremacy over the Aegean. And I agree over you last comment U.S is treating Turkey like a market not an ally.
. Anyway I do not think the F-15 is an option for Turkey as the F-15 is very out dated. I partially agree about how the U.S will not sell the F-22, but over a span of time they will open up the sales. The F-22 very expensive so I doubt Turkey would want to waste money on it, even if they wanted to buy some the amount would be very small. I now think that the F-35 is the best option for Turkey and that it will keep air supremacy over the Aegean. And I agree over you last comment U.S is treating Turkey like a market not an ally.Three Scenarios
Merheba Türce akadasi
I can see 3 scenarios for Turkey:
1. Keeping Russia in its. This is Nato territory and demands the F-35 in limited numbers.
2. Syria - which is always a potential threat - and a general pain in the posterior. Need a bomb truck that can keep its own against the few fighters the Israelies haven't striken from the Syrian inventory. An F-16 job.
3. PKK's in the Diyarbakir/Irak neighbourhood - a bomb truck assignment.
The trick is really if the F-16 with precision guided munition can solve the PKK problem and Turkey can do without the Phantom.
The US sees Turkey as just a market. Yes and no: Encirlik is probably the most important US base outside America at the present time.
Furthermore: Across Kara Deniz and at the easten boarder there is a lot of Russian hate crime going on.
Finally it will be important to get a pipeline through Turkey; but outside Russia, as the Russians do have a tendency to become perfidious when they aren't submitted to.
Merheba Türce akadasi
I can see 3 scenarios for Turkey:
1. Keeping Russia in its. This is Nato territory and demands the F-35 in limited numbers.
2. Syria - which is always a potential threat - and a general pain in the posterior. Need a bomb truck that can keep its own against the few fighters the Israelies haven't striken from the Syrian inventory. An F-16 job.
3. PKK's in the Diyarbakir/Irak neighbourhood - a bomb truck assignment.
The trick is really if the F-16 with precision guided munition can solve the PKK problem and Turkey can do without the Phantom.
The US sees Turkey as just a market. Yes and no: Encirlik is probably the most important US base outside America at the present time.
Furthermore: Across Kara Deniz and at the easten boarder there is a lot of Russian hate crime going on.
Finally it will be important to get a pipeline through Turkey; but outside Russia, as the Russians do have a tendency to become perfidious when they aren't submitted to.