front grip on m4

[jaffo4011]

can anyone explain the advantages(and vice versa) of the front vertical grip on the m4?
i would imagine it takes some getting used to in comparison to the more normal barrel' grip of the m16/slr etc.

i certainly have no issues utilising it on call of duty 4 but still prefer the conevntional style of the g3!

 

[PrOeLiTeZ]

your sight picture is easier to hold onto the target, your pulling the rifle harder against you then the standard barrel grip. in other words you can aim and hold onto your target easier ^.-

 

[SMGLee]

can anyone explain the advantages(and vice versa) of the front vertical grip on the m4?
i would imagine it takes some getting used to in comparison to the more normal barrel' grip of the m16/slr etc.

i certainly have no issues utilising it on call of duty 4 but still prefer the conevntional style of the g3!

The vertical is more egronomic, it helps pull in the weapon in fast or full auto fire, it help with the use of various electorinics on the rail systems and it is easier work the gun in CQB enviroment....and how can you compare the use of vertical grip and forend through playing on a video game?

 

[jaffo4011]

The vertical is more egronomic, it helps pull in the weapon in fast or full auto fire, it help with the use of various electorinics on the rail systems and it is easier work the gun in CQB enviroment....and how can you compare the use of vertical grip and forend through playing on a video game?

you cant,at least not on c.o.d 4!...i was merely adding a little humour.

what are the downsides tho?

 

[DarthAmerica]

The foregrip, colloquially known as the "Gangster Grip", is used to make the weapon more maneuverable in the tight confines of urban/mounted operations while wearing body armor. It's usefulness is rather subjective. I use it. But it is less accurate than cradling the weapon in the traditional manner for aimed shots. It does help somewhat with rapid fire.

-DA

 

[ltb]

i would supose the theory behind it is to allow you pul the weapon into your shoulder, but isnt that what your pistol grip is for??? left hand should just be there to suport the weapon, i can see how it would help you in OBUA but other than that i fail to see the benifit of it.

Altimatly get a weapon with an UGL... more bang for your buck

 

[F-15 Eagle]

I think the front grip makes the M4 easier to carry plus it just looks cool.

 

[Actual]

I think the front grip makes the M4 easier to carry plus it just looks cool.

You may be right, but is it also not easier to bring a carbine like the M-4 to shot via a front grip in a closed (urban) environment? Your front hand leads the movement as opposed to your shoulder.

That grip also makes it easier to carry the myriad of accessories nowadays seemingly tapped to the front of a combat rifle (Torch and IR markers etc) - that seriously distort the centre-of-gravity of your weapon.

 

[F-15 Eagle]

You may be right, but is it also not easier to bring a carbine like the M-4 to shot via a front grip in a closed (urban) environment? Your front hand leads the movement as opposed to your shoulder.

That grip also makes it easier to carry the myriad of accessories nowadays seemingly tapped to the front of a combat rifle (Torch and IR markers etc) - that seriously distort the centre-of-gravity of your weapon.

True, do they use the same thing for the M16A4 now?

 

[SMGLee]

You may be right, but is it also not easier to bring a carbine like the M-4 to shot via a front grip in a closed (urban) environment? Your front hand leads the movement as opposed to your shoulder.

That grip also makes it easier to carry the myriad of accessories nowadays seemingly tapped to the front of a combat rifle (Torch and IR markers etc) - that seriously distort the centre-of-gravity of your weapon.

your body is the turret, you don't lead with your support hand.....you move with the upper body.

The VFG is just for better control in a CQB enviroment and better control for rapid firing. also the egronomics of the human body are more suitable for the VFG. try to get into a fighting stance, and see how your fist are aligned with your body, you get the idea.


the VFG has some down side, you can't shoot over a wall or the hood of a car with out risking too much exposure because of the VFG getting in the way... you can go into a junkyard prone to solve that drawback...

the VFG also have snag on gear factor.... you have to be more careful.

I for one use the VFG and love it.

 

[Actual]

your body is the turret, you don't lead with your support hand.....you move with the upper body.

The VFG is just for better control in a CQB enviroment and better control for rapid firing. also the egronomics of the human body are more suitable for the VFG. try to get into a fighting stance, and see how your fist are aligned with your body, you get the idea.


the VFG has some down side, you can't shoot over a wall or the hood of a car with out risking too much exposure because of the VFG getting in the way... you can go into a junkyard prone to solve that drawback...

the VFG also have snag on gear factor.... you have to be more careful.

I for one use the VFG and love it.

As I said then SMGLee, the forward grip is better for what you said CQB/FIBUA - and I said closed urban environment.

Would you not disagree however, that the centre-of-gravity on a modern combat rifle like the M4, is a lot more forward than say M-16?

 

[SMGLee]

As I said then SMGLee, the forward grip is better for what you said CQB/FIBUA - and I said closed urban environment.

Would you not disagree however, that the centre-of-gravity on a modern combat rifle like the M4, is a lot more forward than say M-16?

Actual, I agree with you on that point of CQB. the VFG is excelletn for CQB work.

the center of garvity of the M4 varies depends on if you mount a suppressor or not....usually I like it just about center of my rail.

Put up a fighting stance, raise your both fist like you are boxing, you can most likely find your best VFG vs. pistol grip position by this method.

 

[Actual]

Actual, I agree with you on that point of CQB. the VFG is excelletn for CQB work.

the center of garvity of the M4 varies depends on if you mount a suppressor or not....usually I like it just about center of my rail.

Put up a fighting stance, raise your both fist like you are boxing, you can most likely find your best VFG vs. pistol grip position by this method.

I couldn't agree with you more SMGLee.

I've never been an infantryman, so can I ask further?

Three-round burst or auto? 5.56 or 7.62? Bullpup or orthadox?

 

[DarthAmerica]

True, do they use the same thing for the M16A4 now?

Yes and on M249s and even mounted underneath the M203 grenade launcher. Front grips are very popular right now considering the awkward shooting positions we find ourselves in now which are all mostly standing, running or kneeling in urban terrain or mounted as opposed to the traditional prone supported/unsupported which is by far more accurate at distance.

-DA

 

[SMGLee]

I couldn't agree with you more SMGLee.

I've never been an infantryman, so can I ask further?

Three-round burst or auto? 5.56 or 7.62? Bullpup or orthadox?

I am running a LMT MRP, which is a monolithic rail platform M4, direct gas system, 14.5" barrel, 5,56 carbine.

DA is right on, VFG are an extremely popular option and it is not only appearing on various forms of M16 systems, it is one of the standard add on for many armed forces around the globe.

Recently British MoD selected the American company Gripod as the standard VFG for their version of the SOPMOD upgrade for the SA80A2.