ongoing issues with f22

[Sea Toby]

F-15 Eagle you clearly took the "10 min A/B" out from the blue sky.
The Tu-160 has ~10 times the combat radius vs F35.
F35 can A/B 12.5 min, so a rough estimate is that Tu-160 does 10 times that, which would then be 2 hour A/B.

Performance Tu-160

* Maximum speed: Mach 2.05[18] (2,220 km/h, 1,380 mph, 1,200 knots) at high altitude
* Range: 17,400 km (9,400 nm, 10,800 mi) unrefueled
* Combat radius: 10,500 km (5,670 NM, 6,500 mi)

Performance F-35

* Maximum speed: Mach 1.6+[68] (1,200 mph, 1,931 km/h)
* Range: A: 1,200 nmi; B: 900 nmi; C: 1400 nmi[68] (A: 2,200 km; B: 1,667 km; C: 2,593 km) on internal fuel
* Combat radius: 600 nmi (690 mi, 1,110 km)

I'm just curious: you said you want to be very clear about russian bombers : what was your logic behind coming up with "10 min A/B" ?

When we talk about speed, we are talking about maximum speed. When we talk about range, we are talking about maximum range at a economic speed, and usually unloaded, the so called ferry range. When we talk about combat range, we are talking about the maximum range the aircraft can go and return to base unrefueled, again at a economic speed.

Once the jets turn on their afterburners to reach their maximum speed, the ferry range and combat radius range change significantly if not dramatically. Its the same with automobiles.

For example I can drive my car around 300 miles at 65 MPH with a full tank of fuel. I can also drive my car 400 miles at 45 MPH with a full tank of fuel. I can also drive my car very fast at 120 MPH, but I guarantee you I won't go 300 miles, more than likely I won't even go 200 miles.

So, when you say the TU-160 can go that fast, I agree, but you are fooling yourself when you say that aircraft can go 10,800 nautical miles at its top speed of Mach 2.05.......Oh yes, the aircraft can go Mach 2.05 in its top speed, but not 10,800 nautical miles. GET IT?

THE FASTER AN AIRCRAFT GOES IS GREAT, THE FURTHER AN AIRCRAFT GOES IS GREAT, BUT YOU WON'T GO AS FAR AT ITS FASTEST SPEED.....
NOR WILL YOU GO AS FAST OR FAR WHEN LOADED WITH ITS MOST WEAPONS.

A FIRST GRADER CAN FOLLOW THIS, WHY CAN'T YOU?

 

[Dr Freud]

Errr, i think you got the whole thing wrong mate, i never said it can go at mach 2 10.000 km. it can go 10.000 km combat radius, or it can go mach 2. maybe you should calm down when you read a post

Tu-160 has roughly the same range at A/B (~Mach 2) as F35 at cruise.(~Mach 0.6)
Btw an aircraft generally consume >4 times as much fuel during A/B vs military, so dramatically is the word, and it isnt the same with cars, its much worse then with cars.

 

[rjmaz1]

A FIRST GRADER CAN FOLLOW THIS, WHY CAN'T YOU?

Better watch it, or Dr Freud will start ignoring your posts.. :

It was clear to me many posts ago that the Doctor at the start of his name is fiction.

It reminds me of the Pro F-111 supporters. They read wiki and think that the F-111 can travel at Mach 2.5 for 5,000kms while carrying 14,000kg of bombs..

A bit of common sense will show that range, speed and payload are all connected. Increase one and you reduce the other two. You must pick a balance between the three to perform the mission.

If the target is towards the maximum combat radius of the aircraft then speed and payload must be dramatically reduced to reach the distance.

I'm just curious: you said you want to be very clear about russian bombers : what was your logic behind coming up with "10 min A/B" ?

What is your logic that the Tu-160 can travel on afterburner for 10 times the duration of the F-35?

You again compare an apple to an orange. You compare the maximum ferry range of the Tu-160 to the minimum combat radius of the F-35 multiplied by two

Why pick an orange when you have two apples to compare. Look at the KNOWN ferry range of the F-16 and F-15. Both are 3,900kms. So based on your 10X figure the Tu-160 has a ferry range of 39,000kms? Who are you trying to kid?

So the Tu-160 may be able to use its afterburner for 4-5 times longer than an F-16/F-15. However when the TU-160 has to travel 5000kms to the target yet the F-16/F-15 only has to travel only 200kms to intercept then which aircraft can use its afterburners more often?

All of a sudden the 10 minutes of afterburner from the Tu-160 is starting to become realistic. Full burner 5 minutes into the target and 5 minutes out of the target.

I do agree that if Russia tried to bomb a neighbouring country like afghanistan the Tu-160 would definitely be able to travel with afterburners for the entire mission. Since the Tu-160 is not a tactical bomber we can ignore your stupid comment.