Venezuela Continues Air Arms Purchasing Spree

Viktor

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You did not mention

-> 2 AK factories
-> 52 Helos including Mi-26/Mi-35/17 + several Ansat helos
-> Tor-M1 system (three batteries)
-> Bjelorus/Russia producing integrated airdefence system (S-300XXX)
-> August 2008 China will lounch satelite (first one) for Venezuela
-> 3-4 improved Kilo class with Club-S system
-> 5000 Dragunov snipers and enourmoes quantities of night vision for it
-> 1Bin weapon deal with Belarus of god knows what (night optics most likely)
-> 10 C-295 and 2 CASA EADS CN-235MPA Persuader maritime patrol aircraft
+ 4 corvettes and 4 patrol vessels from Spanish ship-builder Navantia in 2Bin deal - from Spain
-> Some radar systems from China (forget witch)
-> Sign up to the Amour class and Su-35-1
 

ROCK45

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Viktor
Bjelorus/Russia producing integrated airdefence system (S-300XXX)
I didn't see anything about a S-300 system I posted the first artciel was there changes and if there were please post a link.
http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/e...fensenews.com/story.php?i=3445269&c=AIR&s=AME

10 C-295 and 2 CASA EADS CN-235MPA Persuader maritime patrol aircraft
I thought were 2 ordered, but later canceled. I Google it but didn't see anything useful can you provide a link please.

Sign up to the Amour class and Su-35-1
What amour class? And when did Venezuela become Russia first Su-35 customer can you provide a link please

There are a few other things you posted that I'm not sure of or never saw before if possible could you post links thanks in advance.
 
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Feanor

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I gave a quick overview of what was going on, not a comprehesive list. And Viktor you're patrioteering. The Su-35 was only rumors, same for the submarine deal. They're supposedly in the works, but nothing has been signed yet. I mentioned the helicopters and Su-30MKV2. The Tor batteries were also supposedly in the works but not signed.
 

Feanor

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From the very article you quote:

Venezuela is planning to conclude several contracts with Russia next month
So the deals have not been signed. They're theoretically in the works, but until they're signed I'm not holding my breath. After all there have been deals that were problematic even after signing, never mind before.

EDIT: Morever the article has some factual errors. The first two serial Mi-28N have already been handed over to the VVS, where as it claims that will only happen in 2009.
 

nevidimka

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Thats good to see Venezuala becoming a more modern n proffesional force. Its good news for Venezuela. Makes them formidable.
 

swerve

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You did not mention

-> 2 AK factories
-> 52 Helos including Mi-26/Mi-35/17 + several Ansat helos
-> Tor-M1 system (three batteries)
-> Bjelorus/Russia producing integrated airdefence system (S-300XXX)
-> August 2008 China will lounch satelite (first one) for Venezuela
-> 3-4 improved Kilo class with Club-S system
-> 5000 Dragunov snipers and enourmoes quantities of night vision for it
-> 1Bin weapon deal with Belarus of god knows what (night optics most likely)
-> 10 C-295 and 2 CASA EADS CN-235MPA Persuader maritime patrol aircraft
+ 4 corvettes and 4 patrol vessels from Spanish ship-builder Navantia in 2Bin deal - from Spain
-> Some radar systems from China (forget witch)
-> Sign up to the Amour class and Su-35-1
The C-295s & CN-235s were cancelled in 2005, due to a US bar on some components, & the expense of replacing them with non-US parts being too great. The status of some of the other items on the list is also questionable, as others have said. It seems to be a list of almost every deal which has been mooted, including those which have never been signed, & those which have been cancelled. The only one I can think of which it doesn't include is the Israeli deal to upgrade Venezuelas F-16s, blocked by the USA at the same time as the C-295s & CN-235s.
 

ROCK45

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Venezuela to Test Fire First Air-Launched Missile

Can I assume a anti-ship missile? The article doesn't name the missile does anybody else have anything on this?

South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com
Venezuela to Test Fire First Air-Launched Missile

By Daniel Cancel and Matthew Walter

Bloomberg News

Venezuela will test its first missile from a Russian Sukhoi fighter jet next week in a maritime exercise, President Hugo Chavez.

The missile has a range of 124 miles Chavez said today in a news conference in Caracas

``We're going to continue to strengthen our defense capacities,'' Chavez said.

The U.S. Navy's plans to re-establish its Fourth Fleet, disbanded in 1950, to oversee ships, aircraft and submarines operating in the Caribbean and Central and South America is a ``perceived threat,'' he said.

In July Chavez will meet with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev in Moscow to discuss more arms purchases, which may include long and short-range anti-aircraft defense systems. Venezuela spent $4.4 billion in weapons purchases from 2003 to 2006 and ranked sixth among developing countries for the period, according to a report by the U.S. Congressional Research Service.

Link
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/cuba/sfl-0516venmissile,0,1292593.story
 

Feanor

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Look's like we'll have to wait until july to see if the Tor deal comes through.
 

Salty Dog

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Can I assume a anti-ship missile? The article doesn't name the missile does anybody else have anything on this?

Venezuela will test its first missile from a Russian Sukhoi fighter jet next week in a maritime exercise, President Hugo Chavez.

The missile has a range of 124 miles Chavez said today in a news conference in Caracas
From the given information, the likely candidate is the Russian Kh-35U/AS-20 Kayak which is the air-launch variant of the Kh-35 Uran (SS-N-25 Switchblade) "Harpoonski" anti-ship missile.
 

ROCK45

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Missile

Thanks Salty Dog
It makes no sense to me that the author writes an article about an air launched missile but doesn't list the name of the missile?

Thanks for links for the missiles
 
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ROCK45

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US Navy jet violates Venezuelan airspace: US officials

I wonder what was there to see or just messing with them? The bottom part of the article says
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his Colombian counterpart Fernando Araujo about an alleged incursion into Venezuelan territory by a 60-man Colombian unit.
Why isn't he sending 10 battalions to the border? I recall Chavez saying that if Colombia ever did that to Venezuela that it would be an act of war. Why no news on this?

US Navy jet violates Venezuelan airspace: US officials

4 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AFP) — A US Navy surveillance jet lost its way during a counter-drug mission and strayed into Venezuelan airspace, US officials said Monday following a vehement Venezuelan protest.

Venezuelan Defense Minister Gustavo Rangel called the overflight "a deliberate action" and "another link in a chain of provocations."

Rangel said the Venezuelan air defense system tracked the S-3 Viking over the Venezuelan island of La Orchila on Saturday at 8:40 pm (0010 GMT Sunday).

The island is a military base and a presidential retreat that lies in the Caribbean just north of the Venezuelan mainland.

The United States, responding hours later, portrayed the incident as an inadvertent incursion into Venezuelan airspace.

"A US S-3 aircraft conducting counter-drugs operations lost navigational situational awareness causing it to fly into Venezuelan airspace off the mainland coast," the Joint Interagency Task Force South said in a statement.

The aircraft was assigned to the military-led task force, which directs US counter-drug operations in the Caribbean from its headquarters in Key West, Florida.

Commander Jeffrey Gordon, a Pentagon spokesman, said the S-3 aircrew was queried by Venezuelan air traffic control at Maiquetia after experiencing "intermittent navigational problems" while on a mission originating in Curacao.

The US Air Force operates a base for US counter-drug operations in Curacao, one of the Netherlands Antilles near Venezuela.

"Our crew promptly responded with information including the fact that they were a US Navy aircraft, gave their call sign, that they were flying in international airspace on a mission originating in Curacao, and that a navigational error had occurred," Gordon said.

He said a language barrier apparently delayed the initial conversation between the US crew and the Venezuelans, but the exchange lasted about three minutes.

"The conversation was polite and professional," he said.

S-3 Vikings were originally designed as an anti-submarine warfare aircraft, but are now used mostly for maritime surveillance and as an air refueling plane.

However, some have been modified for electronic warfare and intelligence gathering.

The Venezuelan defense minister said the S-3 "practically flew over" two Venezuelan islands before turning back and heading towards the Netherlands Antilles, small islands just off Venezuela's northern coast.

"We ordered the airplane to identify itself," Rangel said at a press conference in Caracas. "We have recorded proof of the conversation between ground control in Venezuela and the aircraft pilot."

"He said he was not aware that he was over Venezuelan territory," said Rangel, adding, "This was a deliberate action. It is another link in the chain of provocations."

Venezuelan Foreign Minister Nicolas Maduro described the incident as an "illegal overflight."

"We are first going to listen to the explanations from the United States, and starting from there will take the necessary actions so this does not happen again," Maduro said.

The incident comes amid tensions between Venezuela and the United States and its ally Colombia, which borders Venezuela.

Interpol confirmed on Thursday the authenticity of 38,000 computer files seized from Marxist Colombian guerrillas that Bogota says shows links between the rebels and the leftist governments of Venezuela and Ecuador.

Colombian forces seized the files March 1 in a cross-border raid on a Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) camp inside Ecuador.

The Venezuelan foreign minister said he also spoke Monday with his Colombian counterpart Fernando Araujo about an alleged incursion into Venezuelan territory by a 60-man Colombian unit.

Colombia denies the incident -- although Venezuela says it has pictures to prove it -- and both sides on Monday agreed to activate diplomatic mechanisms to find out what happened, Maduro said.

Link
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hYmCiTyMErdhRE4Jfg0sgI2ahs_A
 

Salty Dog

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Interesting the FAV did not intercept or provide any escort for the S-3. Either the FAV didn't see the S-3 as a threat or they just don't fly at night. Internally to the FAV, there is probably some explaining to do.
 

Feanor

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Do they have the capability to get their jets up there fast enough? As I recall the FAV isn't that large.
 

swerve

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Interesting the FAV did not intercept or provide any escort for the S-3. Either the FAV didn't see the S-3 as a threat or they just don't fly at night. Internally to the FAV, there is probably some explaining to do.
It was over Venezuelan airspace near an unimportant island, well offshore, responded when challenged & did nothing aggressive. Nobody round there intercepts every stray aircraft. Lots of light aircraft around, most of them not smugglers. I'm sure they didn't see it as a threat.
 
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