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battlensign

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No capabilities are listed in that document, it is just a press release about FMS notifying Congress about the sale of 3 "sets" of Aegis, of note though is the inclusion of CEC.
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Huh? No capabilities are listed, but the Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC) is.....? Well that makes sense.....;)

I think what you mean is that no current RAN capabilities are presently stated in the document. It is merely a statement of intention in relation to a future capability.

Brett.
 
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Sea Toby

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This is a warning to Congress that they US is going to sell 3 Aegis sets to the Aussies, there is no mention whether the sell or purchase has been consummated.
 
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They are required under US Law to advise of a potential sale - it DOES NOT denote a sale...

It's not a warning, it's part of the FMS legal obligo alert process.
 
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Visit by USS Tarawa to Hobart wets appetite for Canberra class to arrive

A visit to Hobart this morning by USS Tarawa (LHA1) has wetted the appetite of Tasmanian naval enthusiasts for the day when HMAS Canberra or HMAS Adelaide sails into the Derwent for the first time. With 6 Harriers and over 30 helos on board, together with landing craft and several thousand marines, she is of course much bigger than the OZ vessels but she still gave a good idea of what to look forward to. The visit was also reported positively with heavy emphasis on her disaster relief capabilities as well as her war fighting capacity so hopefully the RAN LHDs will also be well received.

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battlensign said:
Huh? No capabilities are listed, but the Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC) is.....? Well that makes sense.....;)

I think what you mean is that no current RAN capabilities are presently stated in the document. It is merely a statement of intention in relation to a future capability.

Brett.
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No, what I mean is that document doesn't list any capabilities for Aegis. It mentions CEC because that is a separate purchase.
 
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Tasman said:
A visit to Hobart this morning by USS Tarawa (LHA1) has wetted the appetite of Tasmanian naval enthusiasts for the day when HMAS Canberra or HMAS Adelaide sails into the Derwent for the first time. With 6 Harriers and over 30 helos on board, together with landing craft and several thousand marines, she is of course much bigger than the OZ vessels but she still gave a good idea of what to look forward to. The visit was also reported positively with heavy emphasis on her disaster relief capabilities as well as her war fighting capacity so hopefully the RAN LHDs will also be well received.

Tas
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Geesh you tassies get some vistors! I'm jelous... We get the occasional ANZAC comeing on to williamstown for a refit, which you can barely see. :rolleyes:

At least i'll be able to go for a peek at the canberra's as they're being fitted out.
 
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This is a basic question and has probably been covered before, but when the Hobart class AWD's starts crewing up in the 2011/12 time frame (with me as the Chief "Gunbuster" hopefully on the first :rolleyes: ), is the plan to decommission the remaining FFG's to provide the crew to man them?

If so and the AWD's are supposedly the DDGs replacement and forgetting that they are over a decade late for that (Brissy was my first ship), what are the plans for a FFG replacement? or is it unrealistic to think the will be one?
 
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battlensign

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ThePuss said:
This is a basic question and has probably been covered before, but when the Hobart class AWD's starts crewing up in the 2011/12 time frame (with me as the Chief "Gunbuster" hopefully on the first :rolleyes: ), is the plan to decommission the remaining FFG's to provide the crew to man them?

If so and the AWD's are supposedly the DDGs replacement and forgetting that they are over a decade late for that (Brissy was my first ship), what are the plans for a FFG replacement? or is it unrealistic to think the will be one?
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The publicly available plans all appear to indicate that although the AWDs are, capability wise, a DDG replacement, we simply do not have the crew to keep the FFGs around too (I would like to see the MK 41s used on the LHDs for ESSM defence). As such we seem to be talking an 11 Warship fleet (8 + 3). This lack of FFG replacement ought to be used as an excuse to purchase a 4th AWD.

Any broader replacements are ANZAC II domain.

Brett.
 
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Sea Toby

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I see the Australian ship buiding programs in hindsight as this:

3 Vampires and 3 Adams were replaced by 6 Adelaide FFGs, and 6 Rivers were replaced by 8 Anzacs, when the last 2 Anzacs were built, 2 Adelaide FFGs were struck.

3 Hobarts will replace 4 Adelaide FFGs, with the potential of a fourth Hobart. During the last score, 20 years, 2 Kanimblas were added to the fleet. 2 Canberras plus another sealift ship will replace 2 Kanimblas and 1 Tobruk.

Adelaide FFGs were much better than the Vampires, but not as good as the Adams. Anzacs were much better than the Rivers. Hobarts will be much better than the FFGs, even better than the old Adams. And without a doubt, the Canberras will be much better than the Kanimblas and Tobruk. I see a bright future.

Of the old ships the Adams were the best. Because they were the best they lasted the longest. And while the Adams weren't replaced well, to begin with the Adelaide FFGs, they did operate in concert with them for a decade. And when the Adams were struck, there were twice as many Adelaides in the fleet. Will the Hobarts last as long as the Adams?

Some may say the 2 new Canberras more or less finally replaced the old Melbourne and Sydney, which were not replaced fully by the Tobruk, but the Kanimblas helped close the gap. If Australia buys the F-35B for the Canberras, that would be a cherry topping for their sundae.

Somehow the RAN seems to have done well the past forty years. Will the RAN do as well in the future. Most navies have seen huge cuts. Some will say the RAN was up to 14 escort ships, 6 Adelaide FFGs and 8 Anzacs, but the RAN never achieved this because 2 Adelaide FFGs were struck when the last 2 Anzacs were being built. With 2 Canberras to escort, I do wish for the fourth Hobart to bring the escort fleet up to 12 again.
 
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battlensign

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Sea Toby said:
I see the Australian ship buiding programs in hindsight as this:

3 Vampires and 3 Adams were replaced by 6 Adelaide FFGs, and 6 Rivers were replaced by 8 Anzacs, when the last 2 Anzacs were built, 2 Adelaide FFGs were struck.

3 Hobarts will replace 4 Adelaide FFGs, with the potential of a fourth Hobart. During the last score, 20 years, 2 Kanimblas were added to the fleet. 2 Canberras plus another sealift ship will replace 2 Kanimblas and 1 Tobruk.

Adelaide FFGs were much better than the Vampires, but not as good as the Adams. Anzacs were much better than the Rivers. Hobarts will be much better than the FFGs, even better than the old Adams. And without a doubt, the Canberras will be much better than the Kanimblas and Tobruk. I see a bright future.

Of the old ships the Adams were the best. Because they were the best they lasted the longest. And while the Adams weren't replaced well, to begin with the Adelaide FFGs, they did operate in concert with them for a decade. And when the Adams were struck, there were twice as many Adelaides in the fleet. Will the Hobarts last as long as the Adams?

Some may say the 2 new Canberras more or less finally replaced the old Melbourne and Sydney, which were not replaced fully by the Tobruk, but the Kanimblas helped close the gap. If Australia buys the F-35B for the Canberras, that would be a cherry topping for their sundae.

Somehow the RAN seems to have done well the past forty years. Will the RAN do as well in the future. Most navies have seen huge cuts. Some will say the RAN was up to 14 escort ships, 6 Adelaide FFGs and 8 Anzacs, but the RAN never achieved this because 2 Adelaide FFGs were struck when the last 2 Anzacs were being built. With 2 Canberras to escort, I do wish for the fourth Hobart to bring the escort fleet up to 12 again.
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Quite true ST, there really haven't been any cuts to the RAN order of Battle in the same way that other navies have had to endure (RN etc). 14 Escorts would be great, but even 8 (Upgraded) Anzacs and 4 AWDS would be nothing to sneeze at. Particularly when taken as whole including the 6 SSKs, 2 LHDs, a Sealift ship and AORs coming online.....

Lets hope the favourable winds continue for the RAN.

Brett.

P.S my only real concern is that the AWDs are not big enough given that Australian shares an ocean with giants (and given what the fleets of those giants look like).
 
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Sea Toby

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The US Navy did offer the usage of the Kidds when Australia finally struck their Adams. Never-the-less Australia will have done well with the Spanish designed F-100s as the AWD replacement. Smaller crews and with smaller operational costs than the Kidds, which would have had to be replaced quickly anyway. The Kidds were only a short term stop gap measure. Compared to a larger Canada, Australia has done very well indeed. Canada appears to be losing their area air defense capability, have lost a significant number of frigates, and will soon build GOLD plated JSS ships during the same time Canada has lost and will lose a significant number of fighters in their air force.

Soon a smaller Australia will have a larger navy and air force.
 
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The_Jet

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Hey I was just wondering if anyone could tell me if Australia's AWD will be fitted with more cells than the listed 48. I've heard that could be the case but cant find any prove any help on this would be great

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battlensign

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Sea Toby said:
The US Navy did offer the usage of the Kidds when Australia finally struck their Adams. Never-the-less Australia will have done well with the Spanish designed F-100s as the AWD replacement. Smaller crews and with smaller operational costs than the Kidds, which would have had to be replaced quickly anyway. The Kidds were only a short term stop gap measure. Compared to a larger Canada, Australia has done very well indeed. Canada appears to be losing their area air defense capability, have lost a significant number of frigates, and will soon build GOLD plated JSS ships during the same time Canada has lost and will lose a significant number of fighters in their air force.

Soon a smaller Australia will have a larger navy and air force.
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Yeah, but we've always been cooler! :cool: :D

Hey I was just wondering if anyone could tell me if Australia's AWD will be fitted with more cells than the listed 48. I've heard that could be the case but cant find any prove any help on this would be great

Thanks
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I think I remember one of the issues with the smaller F-100 AWD design was that there was considerably less room for additions and upgrades. I asked a similar question a while ago about fitting another 8 Cells somewhere but didn't get much response. I am not sure there is room. Perhaps a 21 Round RAM launcher would fit the bill to add extra close defence (although 8 Cells means potentially 32 ESSM).

Brett.
 
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