launch of f22p ffg in shanghai hudong shipyard
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There is nothing like the feeling of seeing new ships enter the water for the first time. One wonders with anticipation for their delivery in a year or two after the fitting out process and sea trials. The anticipation is so large, its a wonder one doesn't have a stroke. Two more to follow in China, and at least one more in Pakistan. And notice the Asian, Chinese and Korean minds, the skipping of the O in 250 and the 4 in 254, that ship will be built in Pakistan. 0 and 4 are unlucky numbers.
ironically 0 is the very fundamental of mathematics.whithout which all calculations are incomplete.
by the way why are 0 and 4 considered unlucky.
is this the final design,it seems to have a limited stealth features in its design.
"4" in Chinese sounds like "shi" which also means "death". In contrast "8" is the lucky number because it sounds like the word for "prosperity". "0" can mean emptiness which implies poverty.
However superstitious beliefs have no place in the highly secular Chinese government and the PLA, where units frequently use the number "4". Neither are ships being numbered based on lucky numbers. DDG 168 can be considered to be a very lucky number for a pennant because "68" stands for "road to prosperity", given that "6" in Chinese sounds similar to the word for "road" or "path". But you can be sure that DDG 168 wasn't numbered because of luck, but because of an existing numbering system. 1 for Destroyer, 6 means deployment in the South Seas Fleet, and 8 because it follows the destroyer 167 Shenzhen in order.
However superstitious beliefs have no place in the highly secular Chinese government and the PLA, where units frequently use the number "4". Neither are ships being numbered based on lucky numbers. DDG 168 can be considered to be a very lucky number for a pennant because "68" stands for "road to prosperity", given that "6" in Chinese sounds similar to the word for "road" or "path". But you can be sure that DDG 168 wasn't numbered because of luck, but because of an existing numbering system. 1 for Destroyer, 6 means deployment in the South Seas Fleet, and 8 because it follows the destroyer 167 Shenzhen in order.
Hopefully for Pakistan 4 does not mean unlucky it cannot afford misfortune at this stage with this frigate deal.
number 4 being unlucky has nothing to do with on Pakistan side, its supposedly unlucky in chineese language if changed slightly.i would say more of these 4 ships shouldve been planned to be built in Pakistan to help boost the shipyard capabilities but then the induction date of F-22P would have delayed.one question that i have is that why is it considerd to be an interim and stopgap solution, even with the induction of newly built F-22P and its TOT.
Pakistan is looking for the long term when it buys new ships. When Pakistan buys old used ships Pakistan is looking to complete its fleet for the short term. There is nothing short term when Pakistan buys new ships. New ships have much longer life than old used ships. 30+ years in the fleet, not 10-15 years.
stonewall71
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does anyone have the specs of this ship?
Not to put too fine a point on this, but what's the difference when one could make a similar if not even more potent comment with respect to second hand "eastern" ships??
A ships weapons fit is tied to its class requirement... if the F22P is an AWD/AWF then you might have a point. However IIRC, the F22P is a multi-role mission platform - thats why its weapons fit is broadbased.
somehow it still seems to be inadequately armed for its intended roles.
by the way gf would it be possible to equip a similiar displacement codag warship with a pumpjet propulsor ,would it offer any significant advantages over a codag warship of similiar displacement equiped with a seven bladed highly skewed propeller in terms of acoustic signature reduction and ,speed and fuel efficiency?
The purpose of the Pakistan's naval fleet is to keep their sea lanes open, and breaking an Indian naval blockade. This is not an easy task when you realize Pakistan will not have as large a navy, or even an aircraft carrier India will have.
Obviously submarines will have more of an impact than surface ships. There is no requirement that Pakistan's ships need long range Tomahawk styled missiles or long range area defense missiles. Therefore, no need for large destroyers or frigates. Outside of Pakistan's submarines, I don't see a offensive surface navy, they will have their hands full defending themselves.
Who finds the others first, and shoots first will have an advantage. Pakistan has a good chance to break a naval blockade if they do. Well, that is how I see it.
Obviously submarines will have more of an impact than surface ships. There is no requirement that Pakistan's ships need long range Tomahawk styled missiles or long range area defense missiles. Therefore, no need for large destroyers or frigates. Outside of Pakistan's submarines, I don't see a offensive surface navy, they will have their hands full defending themselves.
Who finds the others first, and shoots first will have an advantage. Pakistan has a good chance to break a naval blockade if they do. Well, that is how I see it.
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I am not sure India will risk its future carrier by attempting a naval blockade of Pakistan. Pakistan have capable Subs now and is planning to get at least 3 U-214s in the near future. With the recently inaugurated Gwadar port which is close to Persian Gulf, Pakistan has least 3 operational ports unlike in the past when they rely primarily on Karachi thus making it a lot more difficult to blockage now.
If you read BilalK's posts in the Pakistani naval thread, there are major improvements plan for the PN surface fleet.
They were reports of Babur being capable of launching from surface ships as well as from submarines. I haven't come across any reports of it being tested from a ship yet.
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Actually there is nothing secular about the Chinese government when it comes to superstition. In fact, they are as superstitious as rulers were a few thousand years ago.
Winning the 2008 Olympics meant a great deal to all Chinese people because 2008 is considered to be a very auspicious year.
And if China isn't superstitious, why is the Olympics starting on the 8th day of the 8th month of 2008: 08082008?
Of course, 2008 had so far been a really bad year ironically. The torch relay is disrupted. Tibet riot. Stock markets fell.:shudder
Winning the 2008 Olympics meant a great deal to all Chinese people because 2008 is considered to be a very auspicious year.
And if China isn't superstitious, why is the Olympics starting on the 8th day of the 8th month of 2008: 08082008?
Of course, 2008 had so far been a really bad year ironically. The torch relay is disrupted. Tibet riot. Stock markets fell.:shudder
contedicavour
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The design resembles Western 1980s design, such as the Maestrale or the Bremen/F122. Stealthiness is definitively not a priority for them apparently...
I'm also wondering why they are still installing the Chinese version of Crotale, since it is obsolescent (to put it kindly). If Aster or ESSM are too expensive, the US could certainly have provided a couple of RAMs ... well anyway let's see which SAM will be selected for the new FFGs
cheers
I'm also wondering why they are still installing the Chinese version of Crotale, since it is obsolescent (to put it kindly). If Aster or ESSM are too expensive, the US could certainly have provided a couple of RAMs ... well anyway let's see which SAM will be selected for the new FFGs
cheers