Indian Army News and Discussion

[Firehorse]

India seeks to counter China with strengthened border presence

Can anyone recognise the type of rifle on the picture?

 

[funtz]

looks like the good old kalashnikov or a version of it
LoL i dont think that has got anything to do with the mountain devisions being raised.

"India is finally taking up the challenge thrown down by the People's Liberation Army by raising its own rapid reaction force with both offensive and defensive capability," said retired Lieutenant General V K Kapoor.

That is the cost of keeping safe borders in the neighborhood

I hope diplomatic solutions work out in the future.

The tank in themselves are quite potent but that cannot detract from the fact that there is now a distinct 'chill' in the defence relationship with Russia.

It was quite warm in Delhi when the Year of Russia started with Russian performers singing and dancing.
Goes to show that its more like "friends for need" instead of "friends in need"

 

[Firehorse]

Were else except Russia can India buy modern arms for le$$? France, US or UK- all of which can slap sanctions & attach new political strings at any time? I don't think so!

 

[Investigator]

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[funtz]

As has been mentioned in other threads, the US even slaps "sanctions" on white English speaking democracies that irritate it. See NZs attempts to sell its Skyhawks and Aermaccis. Best of luck to our fellow Commonweath country of India. (And stop raiding our cricketers - there will come a time when we can't even beat the English in one-dayers).

Buy Russian - they don't care who they sell to. I just do not know if their technology is any good! The US can at least prove that when they kill their enemies (and those in the same area as their enemies) that their aircraft and munitions are deadly. War as a marketing tool.

I still remember waking up at odd hours to watch the horrid pitches in New Zealand, and the team folding up real good, only to hope that the favour was returned with deal slow turning pitches of our own, and what was that greeting, kiya-ora or something like it.

Sanctions are a matter of policies, and they keep on changing.

Were else except Russia can India buy modern arms for le$$? France, US or UK- all of which can slap sanctions & attach new political strings at any time? I don't think so!

You do not get the point I was making, a relationship of buyer-seller-JV partner in weapons would not last the test of times, and the added problems which are there will only further alienate us from each other. Hence it’s a situation for a friend for a need (Russia- Weapons).

What ever littlie I know from , there is a good image of Russia that has been carrier from the Soviet times especially amongst the political class and to a degree amongst people who give a F about how India deals with the World and how the World deals with her.
Policies however change with time; with the current trend in the next 10-20 years India will share the so called “western” view of the world, with stronger economic-cultural ties with the so called “western” world, to a large degree that is the case already.

The celebrations for the Year of Russia in India suggested a move towards creating a situation where our relations which for good or bad have existed from the time India became a free nation are carried out to the next phase, it is here that the relationship will hold any value if at all.

Military equipment will hold very little significance here.

As for the bang for buck, no denying that Russian equipment carries the value, however what does that translate into a economy growing at the rate that it is, will more money at their disposal, Indians automatically move on to western equipment, after all with in the horizon and beyond it there are no sanctions and complex relations in sight, in fact all I see are movements towards closer relations in different fields.

And believe me when i say it really was warm when the year of Russia started in India.
http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/3172.asp
http://www.hindu.com/2008/02/13/stories/2008021360251900.htm

 

[aaaditya]

hey guys,interesting news here,it seems that russian will set up in india a manufacturing facility for the latest version of its kalashnikov rifles,the ak-100 series,though i wish that india can get the abakan an-90.

here is the link and article:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/AK-100_to_be_made_in_India_soon/articleshow/2793608.cms


NEW DELHI: With the 61st anniversary of the famed Kalashnikov AK-47 series around the corner, the Russian manufacturer of the world's best-known assault rifle announced that the latest AK-100 series will be manufactured in India.

The Russian arms company, Izhmash, will shortly issue a licence to an Indian private arms manufacturer with whom negotiations are at an advanced stage. Company spokesperson Alexander Xavarzin said assembling of the AK-103 will begin in a year's time and full-scale manufacturing would start once the technology transfer takes place.

The company hopes to sell the gun to various police and paramilitary forces in the country as well as the army. It will not be exported.

The popularity of the assault rifle can be gauged from the fact that originals account for only 8-12% of the total world sales of the Kalashnikov series - the rest are all Kalashnikov clones being manufactured in several countries, according to the Izhmash spokesperson.

Unlike the AK-47 rifle which has a wooden base, the new generation AK-100 series is much lighter and has a body made of plastic. Xavarzin said the plastic component makes it an all-weather rifle, well suited to Indian conditions where soldiers have to trek at high altitudes for a number of days at a stretch.
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[aaaditya]

hey guys,great news here,india's bharat earth movers limited has launched a armoured combat vehicle.

here check out this link and article:

http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=545920


BEML launches new combat vehicle

NEW DELHI, FEB 17 (PTI)
Defence PSU Bharat Earth Movers Ltd (BEML) has unveiled a combat vehicle with high-tech communication and surveillance systems for use by security forces in difficult terrains along the border.
The 'Command Post vehicle' is a mobile surveillance and reconnaissance system built on the Tatra vehicle which have access and utility in the most difficult terrains of border security, a BEML spokesman said.
The specialised vehicle, designed to wade through water up to 1,400mm, will have advanced electronics imaging, communication and gun mounting with GPS, the spokesman said.
It has facilities for controlling the surveillance grid, collection of surveillance inputs from radars, collation of data and its dissemination.
The vehicle will be part of support battalions of mechanised infantry, he said.
The 'Command Post', which has a maximum speed of 86 kmph, comes with a centralised tyre inflation and deflation for better driving in terrain conditions.
The premier heavy earth-moving machinery maker also launched a 'driving simulators' at the defence expo here. "It will train drivers by phasing the training through increasing level of complexity in all kinds of terrains with varying visibility and weather conditions," he said.

 

[aaaditya]

hey guys,great news here india is to purchase defence technologyu worth 1.2 billion dollars from poland.these include:

1) 200 wzt-3 armoured cars.

2)80 krotons mining and demining vehicles.

3)100 loara 35mm ,mobile anti aircraft units.

4)110 self propelled cannons.

here is the link and the article:

http://www.smartmoney.com/news/on/index.cfm?story=ON-20080225-000446-1235


WARSAW (AFP)--Polish state-controlled arms company Bumar on Monday announced it was poised to sign a $1.2-billion deal to supply military equipment to India.
"We are expecting to sign contracts worth around $1.2 billion," a spokeswoman for Bumar, Kamila Walczak, told AFP.
She declined to elaborate.
The Polish newspaper Dziennik reported that Bumar has clinched six separate contracts with India, covering the supply of 200 WZT-3 armoured cars, 80 Kroton de-mining vehicles, 100 Loara mobile anti-aircraft units and 110 self-propelled cannons.
In addition, Dziennik reported, Bumar is to supply 1,000 tank engines and also help upgrade the same number of T-72 tanks which are currently used by the Indian army.
Bumar may also work with India on the production of tank engines, the newspaper said.

 

[aaaditya]

i believe the krotons are being promoted as a joint venture with an indian defence company the beml.

here are the images of these technologies:

1) the loarra 35mm,mobile anti aircraft units.

http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image0993qu.jpg

http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image0993qu.jpg

http://img347.imageshack.us/my.php?image=loa34qj.jpg

2) here are the images of the kroton and its indian variant which is to be mounted on the tatra trucks.

http://img497.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mtlbminesystemmspo2002poland01.jpg

http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=17022008138ts4.jpg

http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php? image=krotonmspo2003poland11jpg3lp.jpg

 

[aaaditya]

hey guys here is an intersting document on the capabilities of the loarra self propelled anti aircraft gun system.

http://www.bumar.com/eng/pdf/LOARA.pdf

 

[aaaditya]

hey guys,interesting news here,it seems that the israelis are realy impressed with indian designed pinaka multi barelled rocket luncher and the imi(israeli millitary industries) is exploring the possibilities of manufacturing them jointly with india for the israeli armed forces.

here is the article:


India’s defence technology expertise is finally making a mark in the global platform. Israeli Military Industries (IMI), a Tel Aviv-based manufacturer of weapon systems, is planning to use India’s rocket launcher technology to upgrade and replace its existing American systems.

The Tatas, who had teamed up with the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), to make Pinaka rocket launchers could also become part of the joint production team for the Israeli weapons contract. Pinaka is mainly used to destroy enemy troop concentration areas and communication centres in air terminal complexes. Pinaka was the first defence contract given to private companies in India. The strategic electronics division of Tata Power is manufacturing Pinaka launchers along with Larsen & Toubro.
Recently, two Tata group companies--Tata Power and Tata Advanced Systems--had signed agreements with Rafael and Israel Aviation Industries to manufacture a wide range of defence products.
The Israeli contract could soon make its way into India as the DRDO and IMI have completed several rounds of discussions. Senior executives from companies like the Tatas were also part of the exercise. “We have made a demonstration to IMI,” said a source close to the DRDO. When contacted, DRDO officials in charge of missile programmes declined to comment. A Tata Power spokesperson also declined to comment.
The size of the overseas contract could be in the range of Rs 400-500 crore while the Pinaka contract was only for Rs 200 crore.


iam not posting the link ,since it is very long.

 

[funtz]

So the Army now wants polish mine layers and that Loarra anti air systems?

This loarra sounds close to the Tunguska systems with out the missiles, hope they come real cheap in comparison, other wise what capability do they provide, and again why is the army procuring this system, just order more tunguska with out the missiles.

Great news on the pinaka to Israel though, hope that goes through, will finally get some money back.

 

[aaaditya]

hey guys,interesting news here,it seems that the indian army will acquire an unspecified number of hungarian designed gepard anti-material ,anti-terrorist sniper rifles,these rifles are of 12.7mm caliber.

i believe they shall supplement the indigenously designed vidhwanshak anti-material sniper rifle which is available in 12.7,14.s and 20mm calibers.

here is the link and article:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...e_defence_cooperation/articleshow/2820669.cms

here is a link about the specifications of this rifle:

http://www.epicos.com/WARoot/News/sero_gm6lynx.pdf

 

[aaaditya]

hey guys,check out this interesting article,it contains some information on the indian army's samyukta electronic warfare project.

here is the link and the article:

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2008/03/05/stories/2008030552601000.htm

The Indian Army’s electronic warfare (EW) capabilities in the rugged and exacting semi-desert and border areas is close to get a decisive edge soon.
Come May, the Samyukta project, aimed to meet the country’s (EW) requirement partially, would be fully developed.
By November, the total system, being developed with an investment of about Rs 170 crore and large participation of industry, should be integrated with the user – the Indian Army, said Dr R. Sreehari Rao, Director of the Hyderabad-based, Defence Electronics Research Laboratory (DLRL).
Samyukta is an integrated EW programme, being jointly developed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and the Indian Army. It was launched several years ago with the DLRL, the key electronics lab under the DRDO, as the lead developer.
Slowly but surely, in the face of sanctions and technical delays, Project Samyukta has, with the active support of a consortium of research institutes, public sector units such as Bharat Electronics Ltd (BEL), Electronics Corporation of India Ltd (ECIL) and corporates like CMC, Tata Power Corporation and over 40 small and medium enterprises (SMEs), come to a crucial stage of being offered in total to the Indian Army.
The project was to have been completed by end-2007.
Project Samyukta is to develop an indigenous production base for futuristic integrated EW systems. It has communication and non-communication segments and the system is meant for mobile, tactical battlefield use, the DLRL Director told Business Line.
The ground-based system is configured using 145 Tatra vehicles spread over a frontage of 100 km with 70 km depth. Each entity of the system can elicit intelligence across the borders up to and beyond 20 km. Cross-country mobility is ensured in semi-desert terrains by use of Kolos Tatra vehicles.
Experts say the system will ensure dominance over electro-magnetic spectrum, which means it will jam enemy surveillance signals and voice and radar signals while ensuring its own signals are not jammed by the enemy. It is described as a force multiplier.
In January 2004, the DLRL handed over two blocks to the Indian Army, signalling a major milestone in its development. Once, the system is in place, the country would have EW systems for all the three defence forces — Samyukta (Army), Sangraha (Navy) and Tempest (Air Force).

 

[aaaditya]

hey guys,check out this interesting article,it gives some information about the defence technology that india is acquiring from poland,it seems that poland has now become a major supplier of engineering equipment to the indian army.

here is the link and the article:

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/Polands-Bumar-A-Major-Sale-to-India-04789/

In the wake of the Soviet Union’s collapse, the Warsaw Pact defense industries that had supported its mailitary machine were faced with painful restructuring. Poverty and poor national infrastructure left governments with other priorities, even as Russia’s own implosion removed any sense of threat from that quarter. The state-controlled arms company Bumar s.o.o. began in 2002 with the fusion of 8 defense plants, and within a year 3 more plants joined the group; a 2004 interview with Chairman Roman Baczynski predicted a total of 16 plants, with a common logistics and supply system underneath and further restructuring and streamlining to follow. The firm’s specialties include vehicles, guns, and air defense systems. The Polish PT-91, an upgraded T-72M1 tank, is their premier platform.
In late February 2008, Bumar announced it was poised to sign a EUR 809 million (about $1.2 billion) multi-contract deal to supply military equipment to India. Proposed contracts to India need to be greeted with skepticism, because they are often held up for long periods of time, or disappear altogether. Nevertheless, it’s clear that some discussions are in progress regarding…
Proposed Equipment
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/LAND_MT-LB_Kroton_by_Spike78-CC_lg.jpg Opal-II Kroton
According to the Polish newspaper Dziennik, Bumar has clinched 6 separate contracts with India, covering:

200 WZT-3 “armoured cars.” This is kind of like calling a bulldozer a shovel. WZT-3s are PT-91 tanks with the turret removed, and replaced by a crane and optional bulldozer blade. They are used to tow tanks or other vehicles that are stuck, broken-down, or damaged, and can perform some repairs and even operations like an engine swap in the field. Engine performance and reliability have been long-standing problems with Soviet/Russian tanks, which makes the WZT-3 especially helpful; the bulldozer blade lets them perform light combat engineering as well.
100 PZA LOARA mobile anti-aircraft units, which carry a radar and optically guided pair of 35mm guns mounted on a PT-91 tank chassis. They reportedly have some anti-artillery/ anti-rocket capabilities, and can also be used as excellent sources of overwatch and suppressive ground fire in a pinch.
110 “self-propelled cannons”. Probably the 2S1 “Gozdzik”, which mounts a 122mm cannon on an Opal-II tracked armored personnel carrier. Many of India’s existing artillery guns are Russian, which makes a 122mm caliber self-propelled option attractive. The Opal-II is derived from the fine Russian MT-LB, with a reworked nose section, hydrojets for improved amphibious operation, a new machine gun turret, a 300 hp/ 220 kW SW680T/ YaMZ-238N engine, and a longer chassis with 7 road wheels on each side.
80 Kroton “de-mining vehicles.” Krotons are actually heavily upgraded, mine-laying variants of the Opal-II tracked APC, with some engineering capabilities. If frontal attachments were fitted, de-mining might be a possible role, but crew protection would be a concern given its low, flat bottom.
Dziennik also reported that Bumar is to supply 1,000 tank engines, and help upgrade the same number of T-72 tanks which are currently used by the Indian army. The T-72’s original engines have been the subject of complaints, and P-91 tanks are equipped with a turbocharged 850 hp diesel engine as part of an upgrade set that includes explosive reactive armor, improved optronics, and other modifications.
Rumors have production of many of these tank engines taking place in in India, which has some credibility given India’s industrial offset policy and long experience with poor turnaround times for spares from Russia. Hopefully, this will result in a better experience than the efforts to build engines locally for India’s T-72M1 ‘Ajeya’ tanks.

 

[whodunit]

good to see India modernizing.

India population 'to be biggest':
hxxp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/3575994.stm

biggest population = biggest economy = biggest military

 

[weasel1962]

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[aaaditya]

Interesting to see the M777 and the Pegasus competing for the light weight howitzer competition.

i feel that the m777 will win ,it is the lightest of the two,also indian army has experience operating european weaponery .

 

[kams]

10 Indian generals to join party
Staff Correspondent

Ten retired Indian army generals who fought in the Liberation War will be awarded medals today in appreciation of the neighbouring country's contribution to the cause of Bangladesh's independence.

For the first time since 1971, Indian generals will join official programmes here celebrating the Independence Day.

A delegation led by retired Lt Gen JFR Jacob arrived in the city yesterday. They are here at the invitation of Chief of Army Staff General Moeen U Ahmed, who held discussions with Indian officials and the military top brass during his last month's trip there about honouring those who died for Bangladesh's liberation.

During their four-day visit, the war veterans will visit various battle sites and places of historic importance.

The delegation includes among others Lt Gen (retd) PN Kathpalia, Lt Gen (retd) GS Bakshi, Maj Gen (retd) RK Khanna, Maj Gen (retd) Laxman Singh, Maj Gen (retd) Ashok Verma Kalyan and Brigadier (retd) Amrit Kapur.

India joined forces with the Bangladesh liberation forces on December 3, 1971 to defeat the Pakistan army on December 16, 1971.

10 Indian generals to join party

 

[kay_man]

10 Indian generals to join party

hmm
read the news, good to hear. we can have a firm ally in the form of bangladesh...good move towards friendship.

also bangladesh is a major customer of indian arms and armaments, so it may help in some benefits there as well.