F-14 redesign?

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Atilla [TR]

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Would it be possible to create a stealth fighter(F-35 like with no internal bays) from the Ground up with the characteristics of the F-14 but with stealth this I would see as the wests premier interceptor to verse the SU 37. Some stuff I would add is thrust vectoring a new jet engine (obviously) and small canards at the front right next to the cockpit for better maneuverability.
 

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Atilla [TR];135083 said:
Would it be possible to create a stealth fighter(F-35 like with no internal bays) from the Ground up with the characteristics of the F-14 but with stealth this I would see as the wests premier interceptor to verse the SU 37. Some stuff I would add is thrust vectoring a new jet engine (obviously) and small canards at the front right next to the cockpit for better maneuverability.
Um, maybe but why on gods green earth would you want to?

Why would you want a VLO fighter without internal weapons bays? Wouldnt that kind of be counterproductive?

Why would you redesign an F-14 for this purpose, the airframe is retired and the platfrom was allways unterpowered anyway? F-15 would be a better option. The biggest advantage the Tomcat had originally was its radar/missile combo not its speed, AWG 9 & AIM 54. These have long been superseeded anyway.

The F-22A is by far the best interceptor in the world as it is now, why dont we just build more F-22A's? A raptor would eat a flight of SU 37's (or more accuratly SU-35's) for breakfeast. It would still be 4 times the interceptor your imaginary F-14 would be.

By the way the Su-37 is only a technology demonstrator, it will never be a front line fighter. The SU-35 is likely to be the last flanker to see service before the T-50 (PAK-FA) replaces it, therefore SU 37 will only ever be a tech demonstrator. What that means is that its not a working figher, it needs all of that stuff like a combat management system, last I read it never even had a radar installed.

As for the canards and TVC, their not much good in a HOBS heater environment are they? Why not concentrate on the things that will actually help you in BVR like AESA radars, EW/EWSP, engines and missiles? In real terms the F/A-18F BII has more lethality in both A2A and A2G than the F-14D ever did, so again why on earth would you bother?
 

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Just for the heck of it there was a Boeing/Lockheed/General Dynamics concept called AFX-653. It kinda looked like a "stealthy" F-14 but more of a navalised F-22 with swing wings. Nice to dream about but would rather take that F/A-18F BII. I can't post links yet so Google it and you'll find stuff about it.
 

Atilla [TR]

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Um, maybe but why on gods green earth would you want to?

Why would you want a VLO fighter without internal weapons bays? Wouldnt that kind of be counterproductive?

Why would you redesign an F-14 for this purpose, the airframe is retired and the platfrom was allways unterpowered anyway? F-15 would be a better option. The biggest advantage the Tomcat had originally was its radar/missile combo not its speed, AWG 9 & AIM 54. These have long been superseeded anyway.

The F-22A is by far the best interceptor in the world as it is now, why dont we just build more F-22A's? A raptor would eat a flight of SU 37's (or more accuratly SU-35's) for breakfeast. It would still be 4 times the interceptor your imaginary F-14 would be.

By the way the Su-37 is only a technology demonstrator, it will never be a front line fighter. The SU-35 is likely to be the last flanker to see service before the T-50 (PAK-FA) replaces it, therefore SU 37 will only ever be a tech demonstrator. What that means is that its not a working figher, it needs all of that stuff like a combat management system, last I read it never even had a radar installed.

As for the canards and TVC, their not much good in a HOBS heater environment are they? Why not concentrate on the things that will actually help you in BVR like AESA radars, EW/EWSP, engines and missiles? In real terms the F/A-18F BII has more lethality in both A2A and A2G than the F-14D ever did, so again why on earth would you bother?

Okay you might be right but what creative had in the next thread is what I was looking for. I don't think you have heard about the SU 37's 2,500kmph 4000 km range with thrust vectoring! Now you still think there is no match to a F-22?
 

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Atilla [TR];135101 said:
Okay you might be right but what creative had in the next thread is what I was looking for. I don't think you have heard about the SU 37's 2,500kmph 4000 km range with thrust vectoring! Now you still think there is no match to a F-22?
:lol2 No i must have missed that one! And yes this imaginary flanker would still get ripped to shreds by an F-22A, even at a 4 to 1 ratio.

Like i said the Su-37 is purely a technology demonstrator, NOT a fighter! What are you refering to exactly?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-37

Thrust vectoring isn't that important when you facing an AIM 9X with a 270 degree engagement envilope and and IIR FPA seeker, meaning you don't have to turn very much to engage the bad guy. As for top sprint speed, its not going to be able to substitute for M1.5 supercruise. As for whats more capable, try VLO+APG-77+AIM-120D=Dead Flanker. Its simple mathematics.

Anyway the Su-35 (Su-35 is a real fighter intended for production) will be superseded by the T-50 which will be much more capable.
 

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Thanks mate.

IMHO one fighter already took some cues from the F-14, it's the Su-27.
Indeed, geting their hands on AWG 9 & AIM 54 was a real score for Ivan, and a big influence in the Flankers avionics package.

Anyway as creative stated the Tomcat II was designed in the AFX project but was droped due to cash constraints.
 

Scorpion82

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By the way the Su-37 is only a technology demonstrator
Well the correct term would be the Su-37 was a technology demonstrator. The designation wasn't used anymore since 2000 and that's 8 years ago. The aircraft itself was retrofitted with conventional AL-31F and used for FCS testing etc., before it crashed in late 2002.

The closest compareable design is the Su-30MKI, but if you guys like to talk about the ultimative Flanker take the new Su-35 and forget about the Su-37!
 

Ozzy Blizzard

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Atilla [TR];135232 said:
NO I am still refering to the Su-37 search it and you will see.
Well than read this:

Scorion82 said:
Well the correct term would be the Su-37 was a technology demonstrator. The designation wasn't used anymore since 2000 and that's 8 years ago. The aircraft itself was retrofitted with conventional AL-31F and used for FCS testing etc., before it crashed in late 2002.

The closest compareable design is the Su-30MKI, but if you guys like to talk about the ultimative Flanker take the new Su-35 and forget about the Su-37!
Su 35 is the last production Flanker, Su 37 DOES NOT EXIST & WILL NOT, EVER! The Su-35 will be replaced by the T-50 PAK FA.
 

Atilla [TR]

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I found this on the web it was called the Naval ATF (NATF), would this be able to be used on land and only land (why not?), and would it have any advantages over the F-22, I mean it would be faster with it's wings swept back.



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Ozzy Blizzard

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Atilla [TR];135351 said:
I found this on the web it was called the Naval ATF (NATF), would this be able to be used on land and only land (why not?), and would it have any advantages over the F-22, I mean it would be faster with it's wings swept back.



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Probably reduced RCS in exchange increased high mach performance.
 

Yasin20

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Atilla [TR];135351 said:
I found this on the web it was called the Naval ATF (NATF), would this be able to be used on land and only land (why not?), and would it have any advantages over the F-22, I mean it would be faster with it's wings swept back.



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i realy like this jet it look a lot more better then the F22 man i like maybe turkiye should get this designe instead of the F35 lol
 

Atilla [TR]

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i realy like this jet it look a lot more better then the F22 man i like maybe turkiye should get this designe instead of the F35 lol
I know I know Yasin. I wish! Dang i going to do a demonstrate in front of the defense ministers office to get this plane!
 

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Atilla [TR];135351 said:
I found this on the web it was called the Naval ATF (NATF), would this be able to be used on land and only land (why not?), and would it have any advantages over the F-22, I mean it would be faster with it's wings swept back.



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I believe its just a photo-shop with some kid putting his wildest imaginations in form of this computerized pic.

The USNavy is going for F-35 & they are no longer interested in F-14 like swing wing aircrafts. They apparently turn out to be too costly in terms of operation & maintainance.
 

stewartfip

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Since when is "- Looks Cool" a bullet point on a list of priorities for a next-generation fighter? Besides, with the emphasis on lowering radar signatures, the swing-wing configuration would probably be effectively out of the idea.
 
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