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riksavage

Banned Member
There was a report flying around that Gibraltar would be upgraded for the new Carriers. Good spot and much closer to potential trouble in Gulf region.
 

Miles

New Member
There was a report flying around that Gibraltar would be upgraded for the new Carriers. Good spot and much closer to potential trouble in Gulf region.

Gib would be good, but you would still have to get through Suez. but has the advantage of a lovely harbour, easy access back to UK etc.
 

harryriedl

Active Member
Verified Defense Pro
Gib would be good, but you would still have to get through Suez. but has the advantage of a lovely harbour, easy access back to UK etc.
but the carrier couldn't get through the Suez canal although the part of the amfibs would be good
 

Izzy1

Banned Member
but the carrier couldn't get through the Suez canal although the part of the amfibs would be good

I have little doubt that the current 'more conventional' design for the RN's QE Class CV could transit the Suez - as Swerve's thread and pictures here already prove.

I don't know if anyone can remember though, the very fancy tri-hull designs for the RN's CV that where originally banded around? With a flight-deck and ski-ramp large enough to allow a C-17 to STO-L take-off for instance?!! Air Forces Monthly carried pictures of the models if I recall.
 

Sea Toby

New Member
Yes, the Nimitz class aircraft carriers have used the Suez Canal many times on their way to the Persian Gulf and back. No problems. The Queen Elizabeths and the Charles DeGaule should not have any problems either.
 

Izzy1

Banned Member
Yes, the Nimitz class aircraft carriers have used the Suez Canal many times on their way to the Persian Gulf and back. No problems. The Queen Elizabeths and the Charles DeGaule should not have any problems either.

Dare I say it out loud here (and get another bollocking). Lets get rid of that absolute Euro waisting, atom-driven, tug-boat - The CDG; A Disgusting Example of European Waste.

Lets actually mean European Defence - and invest in four Franco-Anglo CV's.

How about more? If Germany and Italy want a proper carrier too later, then so be it!
 

harryriedl

Active Member
Verified Defense Pro
Dare I say it out loud here (and get another ). Lets get rid of that absolute Euro waisting, atom-driven, tug-boat - The CDG; A Disgusting Example of European Waste.

Lets actually mean European Defence - and invest in four Franco-Anglo CV's.

How about more? If Germany and Italy want a proper carrier too later, then so be it!
i think i might agree with you but fear of bollocking and flames its only tentative support i wonder whether the our French and European members would agree [Conti, Spacearrow ect]
 

Izzy1

Banned Member
i think i might agree with you but fear of bollocking and flames its only tentative support i wonder whether the our French and European members would agree [Conti, Spacearrow ect]
I agree with the above. But what does Europe offer our NATO defences, apart from infantry battalions????

And they ain't so willing them them.


The time has come for a new Western Defence Framework.
 
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Grand Danois

Entertainer
Well, since the RN supposedly will be a small force in the future, it will have to rely on partners. The USN can do on its own... So where does the RN fit in?
 
Dare I say it out loud here (and get another bollocking). Lets get rid of that absolute Euro waisting, atom-driven, tug-boat - The CDG; A Disgusting Example of European Waste.

Lets actually mean European Defence - and invest in four Franco-Anglo CV's.

How about more? If Germany and Italy want a proper carrier too later, then so be it!
Yes, the CDG is easily the best example of european waste. But the CDG is the only operational all weather carrier outside of the U. S. The British will built their CVFs. The Sarkozy government could cancel the PA2 project because of estimated 3.5 billion euro procurement costs.
 

Izzy1

Banned Member
Yes, the CDG is easily the best example of european waste. But the CDG is the only operational all weather carrier outside of the U. S.
Rubbish. The Royal Navy went into the South Atlantic with 2 light-carriers and maintained 85% CAP - against a more capable enemy. And they won air supremacy - 'shock, horror'... without the aid of a single F-15.

When was the last time time you did that?
 

Izzy1

Banned Member
Yes, the CDG is easily the best example of european waste. But the CDG is the only operational all weather carrier outside of the U. S. The British will built their CVFs. The Sarkozy government could cancel the PA2 project because of estimated 3.5 billion euro procurement costs.

CDG - A waste. Unless France is coming up against the Argentine Air Force anytime soon...

If so, ask above!
 
QUOTE=Izzy1;134851]Rubbish. The Royal Navy went into the South Atlantic with 2 light-carriers and maintained 85% CAP - against a more capable enemy. And they won air supremacy - 'shock, horror'... without the aid of a single F-15.

When was the last time time you did that?[/QUOTE]

The British didn't have AWAC aircraft to vector their harriers to intruders. The Royal Navy couldn't establish complete air superiority. The Argentine Air Force didn't have aerial refueling aircraft, so they had limited time over their targets. The excellent training of the British harrier pilots won the Falklands War.
 
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swerve

Super Moderator
Rubbish. The Royal Navy went into the South Atlantic with 2 light-carriers and maintained 85% CAP - against a more capable enemy. And they won air supremacy - 'shock, horror'... without the aid of a single F-15.

When was the last time time you did that?
... The Argentine Air Force didn't have aerial refueling aircraft, so they had limited time over their targets. ...
The Argentineans did have air-air refuelling aircraft, though only two KC-130. By all accounts, their crews performed heroically, saving several A-4s from ditching on the way home by hanging on to the last moment, using their own safety reserves. However, their Mirages lacked AAR capacity, & so lacked the fuel to engage in air combat (switch on the afterburner & swim home . . .), the other aircraft were incapable of fighting the Harriers, & only having two tankers severely limited the number of A-4s and Super Etendards they could deploy simultaneously.
 
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