PLAAF News & Discussion

F-15 Eagle

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Does anybody know of anything new about the PLAAF such as the SU-27/J-11/SU-30/33 or the J-10/JF-17 programs. I can't seem to find any news on the modernization program for the PLAAF. Have they selected a new bomber to replace the 30 year old fleet of H-6s? Are they even still building any J-10/11s or have they stoped at 100 aircraft each? Any help would be appreciated.:)
 

Samband

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Hi, I´m new to this forum but I have read on it for quite a while.

If you need information abouts the development in the PLAAF, check out this blogg: china-pla.blogspot.com

It´s is exelent, lots of information, interesting photos but also translations from the chinese media. I would also say that it´s rather reliable. He/she offent post links to his sorces and states from where he/she gets the information.

PS: Sorry for my spelling, but I guess that it´s readable
 

crobato

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You can browse on the SDF or the Sinodefenceforum, which is affiliated with Defence Talk, or the CDF or China Defense Forum. For the CDF you need to register to log in. From there, you need sometime to catch up, because a lot has happened in the past year.
 

Ozzy Blizzard

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Hi, I´m new to this forum but I have read on it for quite a while.

If you need information abouts the development in the PLAAF, check out this blogg: china-pla.blogspot.com

It´s is exelent, lots of information, interesting photos but also translations from the chinese media. I would also say that it´s rather reliable. He/she offent post links to his sorces and states from where he/she gets the information.

PS: Sorry for my spelling, but I guess that it´s readable
Thats tphuangs blog i think, he's a MoD here.
 

Totoro

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Does anybody know of anything new about the PLAAF such as the SU-27/J-11/SU-30/33 or the J-10/JF-17 programs. I can't seem to find any news on the modernization program for the PLAAF. Have they selected a new bomber to replace the 30 year old fleet of H-6s? Are they even still building any J-10/11s or have they stoped at 100 aircraft each? Any help would be appreciated.

Okay, a quick recap:

H-6: No replacement selected, doesn't seem to be any replacement in plans for the next several years (a decade?) Evolution of the design is in store instead with H-6K version which features same general design but newly built frames, new radar and other avionics, new engines, etc. which should improve the performance all over the board.

J-10: Is still building. Doesn't seem to be any end to production in sight. As to the total number of frames to be built - your guess is as good as anyone's. The figure of 300 has been thrown around in the past but that too doesn't have an official background so who knows where that came from.

J-11: Is still being built, albeit in J-11B variant. Production rates may be low as it still may be under testing. Don't know if it reached initial operational capability status. I would think a 100-200 more J11s is a safe bet, as it'd be silly to invest into such a huge modification of the plane otherwise.

Su-30: Likely no more will be purchased, it was some 5 years now since the last contract anyway. Domestic JH7 seems to be filling out that role quite nicely with its ongoing production.

Su-33: Who knows? I guess it really depends on when the first carrier will be ready. If ex Varyag will be inducted into some kind of service, be it even just as a training ship - then yes, some planes are more or less a given. 50 pieces figure that was thrown around in various media some year (years?) ago seems a bit excessive for just one carrier though. Will a new one be built very, very soon?

JF-17 or FC1: Still doesn't seem to be intended for service in the PLAAF but for export only.
 

F-15 Eagle

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JF-17 or FC1: Still doesn't seem to be intended for service in the PLAAF but for export only.
If the JF-17 is only for export then what will replace their fleet of J-7, Q-5 and J-8 fighters? The PLAAF has around 500 J-7s, 400 Q-5s and 300 J-8s.
 

Totoro

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Who knows what will replace those aircraft. Maybe some of them won't even be replaced. Maybe PLAAF hasn't downsized as much as they'd like to yet. Both J10 and J11 can fully replace J8 in every regard, so we know what will replace J8s. Theoretically, J10 could replace j7 and q5 as well, if PLAAF wanted to go ahead and actually invest so much money to build replacements for all those planes. What is sure is that there doesn't seem to be any need for 1 to 1 replacements, at least in PLAAF's eyes.

JH7 will take some of the roles performed by q5, i guess the rest will be done with j10s. Actually, it becomes clear the final number of j10s built can not be just a few hundrew planes. It may very well reach close to a 1000 before the end of its run. Naturally, it will be a fairly slow process. After all, j7s just recently stopped production, j8 is still in low level production as should be q5. (not sure on q5 though, anyone have different info on that?)
 

crobato

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Just to recap.

J-10. In 2007, finished deployment of 9th Regiment, 3rd Division, followed by 5th Regiment, 2nd Division. Currently at work converting 2nd Regiment 1st Division. Each regiment is around 28 aircraft.

J-11B. Currently in the midst of converting 1st Regiment, 1st Division. Assume 24 aircraft at least when finished. The Su-27s and J-11s previously held would be transferred somewhere else.

JH-7A. Finished conversion of one regiment each in the PLANAF 5th Division, and PLAAF 5th Division. That's two regiments, probably 24 for the PLANAF unit and 20 for the PLAAF unit.

H-6. Not sure if there are any new ones since the three H-6H and one H-6M conversion in 2005-2006. New variant, H-6K being developed so they're taking a pause here.

Q-5. Not really being replaced although two Q-5 regiments converted to JH-7A (see above). The planes were simply moved to other still existing Q-5 regiments.

J-8F. At least one regiment in the PLANAF (5th Divsision) and one regiment in the PLAAF (2nd Division?). Might be the last deployments.

J-7G. Final deployments last year, 12th Division got them.

26th Division of J-8IIs have been disbanded and the 26th number is now assigned to a special operations division. This includes a regiment or group of KJ-2000s which are now in operational service.

Little data on the Y-8GX or High New series, but production seems to be continuing.
 

F-15 Eagle

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Who knows what will replace those aircraft. Maybe some of them won't even be replaced. Maybe PLAAF hasn't downsized as much as they'd like to yet. Both J10 and J11 can fully replace J8 in every regard, so we know what will replace J8s. Theoretically, J10 could replace j7 and q5 as well, if PLAAF wanted to go ahead and actually invest so much money to build replacements for all those planes. What is sure is that there doesn't seem to be any need for 1 to 1 replacements, at least in PLAAF's eyes.

JH7 will take some of the roles performed by q5, i guess the rest will be done with j10s. Actually, it becomes clear the final number of j10s built can not be just a few hundrew planes. It may very well reach close to a 1000 before the end of its run. Naturally, it will be a fairly slow process. After all, j7s just recently stopped production, j8 is still in low level production as should be q5. (not sure on q5 though, anyone have different info on that?)
I looked on the sinodefence website and it said the PLAAF is still looking for a replacement for the Q-5, though nothing has been found yet. J-11 production has stopped at 100 aircraft. The J-7 and J-8 are both still in production and are being upgraded well into the next decade. The J-10 and J-11/ SU-27/30 will not replace the Q-5, J-7 or J-8. A replacement for those has yet to be found. The H-6 bombers which number from 60-120 jets still receive upgrades until a new replacement is found. The PLAAF is not going to downsize but they are trying to modernized though stopping J-11 production at only 100 aircraft does not help.
 

kickars

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The PLAAF is not going to downsize but they are trying to modernized though stopping J-11 production at only 100 aircraft does not help.
It certainly does help... Coz the reason for stopping the production of J-11s is that PLAAF starts to produce the newer J-11B, now.
 

tphuang

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Hi, I´m new to this forum but I have read on it for quite a while.

If you need information abouts the development in the PLAAF, check out this blogg: china-pla.blogspot.com

It´s is exelent, lots of information, interesting photos but also translations from the chinese media. I would also say that it´s rather reliable. He/she offent post links to his sorces and states from where he/she gets the information.

PS: Sorry for my spelling, but I guess that it´s readable
thanks, I try my best, although I'm forced to speculate on a bunch of stuff. But generally, there are a bunch of people on SDF/CDF who can give you a good rundown on PLAAF. Crobato does a great job, you can get a lot of stuff from reading his posts.
 

Totoro

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I looked on the sinodefence website and it said the PLAAF is still looking for a replacement for the Q-5, though nothing has been found yet. J-11 production has stopped at 100 aircraft. The J-7 and J-8 are both still in production and are being upgraded well into the next decade. The J-10 and J-11/ SU-27/30 will not replace the Q-5, J-7 or J-8. A replacement for those has yet to be found. The H-6 bombers which number from 60-120 jets still receive upgrades until a new replacement is found. The PLAAF is not going to downsize but they are trying to modernized though stopping J-11 production at only 100 aircraft does not help.
Sinodefence is fine and it does the best job it can, with so much info about chinese forces is based on educated guessing, as theres little transparency from the govt. It pays to pay attention to last update dates on various pages, though. For example, the J7 info hasnt been updated in some 14 months, during which it was reported that j7 production for plaaf has ceased. Thats something that was expected, even sinodefence article says so, that production would cease in favor of extra j10 planes in a few years.

Like someone said before, j11a production has ceased but only in favor of more advanced model, which is currently being deployed in limited numbers within plaaf for testing purposes. Full scale production is expected to begin within a year or two. With Plaaf having over 300 j8s of various age, some of which are old enough to warrant replacement, it can safely be said that the new j11b will in fact replace some of the older j8s. Of course the newest ones will not be replaced, but will probably stay in service for another decade or two, until jxx comes along.

Same thing with j7s - there are new ones and not so new ones in service. Squadrons with older ones are getting replacement planes - j10s. But its a slow process. Unlike US did with f16s in mid 80s, china builds perhaps two dozen j10s a year, with little prospect of tripling that figure any time soon.
Number of all the combat planes produced in china combined may not be so low, but newest ones like j10, j11b or jh7a certainly wont get fielded by the hundreds in the coming years - so there cant be any talk of full replacement of older models. But gradual phaseout of older airframes - yes, that is certainly what is going on right now.
 

crobato

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There don't seem to be any observable intention or evidence that the PLAAF actually intends to have a Q-5 replacement, though they don't seem to be in a hurry to replace the Q-5 either even as one Q-5 regiment to another is gradually being changed to JH-7A. As a category of a small short ranged tactical strike jet with CAS qualities, once the Q-5 is gone, the entire niche goes with it, and there won't be any successor. I don't expect JF-17 or L-15 to take its place. The JH-7A is not the same category as a Q-5; its a medium range strike jet or small bomber. I expect the PLAAF to concentrate more in longer ranged PGM or standoff strikes while CAS duties are going to be left to WZ-10s. And that's good too, the PLAAF should grow up from those winged MLRS roles which even Su-30s are sometimes made to do (and grossly overkill too).
 

crobato

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No, not at all. The new ALCM carriers are going to be based on a new redesigned variant of the H-6 called the H-6K, which has new engines and instead of a glazed nose with a radar chin, the entire nose is now a solid radome with one large radar.

If the PLAAF gets their hands on used IL-76 transports, chances it may end up being refitted into a KJ-2000 AEW aircraft.
 
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