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Malaysia's first submarine
Some good news about out submarines =)
First space, now nation to launch first sub
By CHOI TUCK WO
PARIS: Just two days after Ma-laysia’s Angkasawan returned safely to Earth, another record is being set, this time it's underwater. The nation’s first Scorpene submarine will be launched today.
From space to sea, Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak flew here to attend the unveiling of the vessel, just hours after witnessing the historic mission at Moscow’s Mission Control Centre.
The Deputy Prime Minister’s wife Datin Seri Rosmah Mansor will perform the symbolic launch, followed by the official naming of the state-of-the-art underwater vessel.
The ceremony will be held at the DCNS dockyard in Cherbourg, about 400km from here, witnessed by senior Malaysian and French officials.
By January 2009, the Scorpene is expected to cruise home, manned by the country’s first submarine crew, while the second vessel is scheduled for delivery by October that year.
Equipped with torpedoes, sub-surface to surface missiles and sea mines, the 67.5m submarine is manned by only a 31-member crew due to its high level of automation.
The two submarines are being jointly built by DCNS of France and Navantia of Spain. A total of 142 Malaysians are undergoing training at the DCNS naval base in Brest, about 500km from here,
The submarine launch is the highlight of Najib’s four-day working trip to France which began yesterday.
Malaysian Ambassador to France Datuk S. Thanarajasingam said Najib’s visit was the first by a top Malaysian leader since the new government of President Ni-colas Sarkozy was formed in May. The visit will enable the Deputy Prime Minister to engage the leaders of the new administration and to further strengthen bilateral relations between the two countries, he told Malaysian journalists.
Some good news about out submarines =)
First space, now nation to launch first sub
By CHOI TUCK WO
PARIS: Just two days after Ma-laysia’s Angkasawan returned safely to Earth, another record is being set, this time it's underwater. The nation’s first Scorpene submarine will be launched today.
From space to sea, Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak flew here to attend the unveiling of the vessel, just hours after witnessing the historic mission at Moscow’s Mission Control Centre.
The Deputy Prime Minister’s wife Datin Seri Rosmah Mansor will perform the symbolic launch, followed by the official naming of the state-of-the-art underwater vessel.
The ceremony will be held at the DCNS dockyard in Cherbourg, about 400km from here, witnessed by senior Malaysian and French officials.
By January 2009, the Scorpene is expected to cruise home, manned by the country’s first submarine crew, while the second vessel is scheduled for delivery by October that year.
Equipped with torpedoes, sub-surface to surface missiles and sea mines, the 67.5m submarine is manned by only a 31-member crew due to its high level of automation.
The two submarines are being jointly built by DCNS of France and Navantia of Spain. A total of 142 Malaysians are undergoing training at the DCNS naval base in Brest, about 500km from here,
The submarine launch is the highlight of Najib’s four-day working trip to France which began yesterday.
Malaysian Ambassador to France Datuk S. Thanarajasingam said Najib’s visit was the first by a top Malaysian leader since the new government of President Ni-colas Sarkozy was formed in May. The visit will enable the Deputy Prime Minister to engage the leaders of the new administration and to further strengthen bilateral relations between the two countries, he told Malaysian journalists.
yeah man.....Malaysia has just received their first sumbarine named KD TUNKU ABDUL RAHMAN.
Theres one thing that i heard that took my ears.
Our minister of defence Najib has invited the frENCH DEFENCE INDUSTRY TO ESTABLISH FACILITIES IN MALAYSIA .
If thats happen ill bet it will start an era of malaysians creating their own war ships.
I heard this in the NEWS STRAITS TIMES on wednesday october 24.
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Interesting-but why would the USN allow non UK/AUS/CAN/NZ/NATO personnel to cross train aboard their SSNs, especially considering the RMN operates French hardware and systems?
The article states the initial plan was to build 27 such new generation OPV's. How does this compare to it's current fleet? 1 for 1 or increase/decrease? Also RM6 Billion for 6 vessels, thats nearly £1 Billion, realising nothing more has been confirmed but is it expected / hoped any more further orders will be MEKO 100 based?
It is a 20 years long term plan. Not to expect all 27 will in service with the navy, most probably the older batch will be transfer or back to the second line. They are also come in batch. Each batch are also expected to be different from the other. It is however to say it is based on MEKO100 but to be responsible, the variation may far vary from what we see now.
The 6 Bil is mostly for establishing the whole industry as we had never had the capability to build a ship of that size, not to mention we actually bought the whole technology in a glance. Although I never went detail what will be the cost if we figure it out ourselves step by step, by my estimate, the price is OK, just OK.
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As stated in your comments, it's a long term goal of sustaining the RMN, while helping build up an industrial base so that you can design manufacture & assemble the ships yourself, in the future. A bold & sensible thought !!
27 vessels is a little more than 1 for 1, if my memory serves me well...
However, the prospect of having 4 or 5 variants of the same hull is a bit perplexing to the layman, I know though that it is yet another wise move, as it allows for incremental technological updates (a very similar format to that used by the US in their CVN programme!).
This process leaves certain things like "hotel" fixtures, light fittings, power sockets, etc, as a standard type throughout each variant, but allows for Weapons equipments to be different / an upgraded model of the previous batch. This approach makes common sense with costing (through life support / spares commonality between new build & refit vessels), & also due to the fact that most equipment by the time it gets fitted to the ship is nearly 2-3 years out of date with up to date / state of the art technology !
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certainly not 1 to 1 replace. 27 is almost the total of the current fleet.
..I am happy to "stand corrected" !!
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In the January 08 issue of the Perajurit magazine there is an article saying that RMN may be choosing ESSM as its SAM system for the Batch 2 Frigates. However in the January 08 issue of Tempur magazine mentioned that RMN had chosen Aster 15 and SeaWolf as its SAM systems.
Can anyone verify which system does RMN actually will be using? Or everything is still a rumour....
Can anyone verify which system does RMN actually will be using? Or everything is still a rumour....
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A question.
What if, the Defence Minister Najib, agreed to implement a plan to bolster the RMN Air fleet by moving the RMAF F/A 18Ds to the RMN?
This is purely for feedback on this idea. All opinions welcome.
What if, the Defence Minister Najib, agreed to implement a plan to bolster the RMN Air fleet by moving the RMAF F/A 18Ds to the RMN?
This is purely for feedback on this idea. All opinions welcome.
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Does the RMN have to provide the support infrastructure, training resources, pilots etc for this move? Or will the entire capability as it currently exists under RMAF simply be transferred to RMN, along with the budget provision to support the capability?
If not, I fail to see the point of what is essentially an "administrative" move only. How is the Malaysian Defence Forces as a whole going to benefit from this?
To me it seems that existing support, infrastructure and training resources will end up becoming duplicated. Hardly a worthwhile proposition in of itself in a force where the major complaint is the duplication of roles that are covered by multiple aircraft types...
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The issue of duplication was one which I wanted to discuss. Assuming that all Pilots are trained centrally in the Air Force and then those who are aptly considered would be selected for the Navy, where this stream would feed personnel for Navy postings. How does the Australian Navy for instance recruits it's pilots?? For the moment I've been trawling the net to see if a similar recruitment model is in place, but it is worth I belief looking into how the RN, RAN and USN brings pilots to it's formations. I belief there is some point of reference there and maybe the answers are there too.
On the MAF, a fleet air arm capable of deploying Hornets and related Harpoon Missiles, is for the moment in my mind a novelty, but one which has been raised and composed before in the Royal Navy, and the Royal Australian Navy, albeit with different aircraft types, rather than the Hornets that I am thinking of.
Would it duplicate the Air Force role? Personally in my mind, I don't think the split would be divisive, resulting in duplication. The Navy would have the benefit of employing a fleet air arm effectively covering disputed territories (Spratly Islands comes into mind) on it's missive independently of the Air Force, complementing the use of frigates, patrol craft and submarines that would form it's near future service.
But, the creation of a new fleet air arm of Hornets would create some issues in terms of training, setup, logistics, supply and maybe even simplification. The RMAF may not take to the view, but with Ministerial approval it can tow the line.
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How would navy's mission be more effective if they have planes? Will thier reaction to incident be more swift? Will it pack more a threst by employing an air wing for a given situation? Also does any other SEA nation have an air wing for thier navy? Also will the planes needs to be moved to navy base for swifter reaction times n longer operating time/range considering the short legged of hornets.
Also i belive if the Navy s allowed to have an air wing, it will stretch its budget or the budget for the navy will have to be increased.
but it will be interesting though if we have a navy complete with air wing.
Also i belive if the Navy s allowed to have an air wing, it will stretch its budget or the budget for the navy will have to be increased.
but it will be interesting though if we have a navy complete with air wing.
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Off course the RMN's budget will increase commensurate with the induction of new patrol vessels, frigates and submarines, but in theory the move of F/A 18s into the fleet air arm would increase the budget but not by much compared to the other acquisitions.
In the future, the Spratly Islands, and Ambalat would continue to be an issue for Malaysia. The building of new sally ports, new navy bases, new airfields should strengthen the Navy's force capability, primarily in the Celebes Sea, the Sulu Seas, and the South China Sea. Sabah is the new frontier where the MAF will enforce it's presence compared to in the past, where the area was considered to remote and economically underdeveloped and inactive to warrant a substantial military presence. Oil, and increasing trade and labour movement changed all that. It doesn't help either when China, Vietnam, the Phillipines and Indonesia all stake spurious claims on our territorial waters. A fleet air arm in that area would enhance our presence.
In the future, the Spratly Islands, and Ambalat would continue to be an issue for Malaysia. The building of new sally ports, new navy bases, new airfields should strengthen the Navy's force capability, primarily in the Celebes Sea, the Sulu Seas, and the South China Sea. Sabah is the new frontier where the MAF will enforce it's presence compared to in the past, where the area was considered to remote and economically underdeveloped and inactive to warrant a substantial military presence. Oil, and increasing trade and labour movement changed all that. It doesn't help either when China, Vietnam, the Phillipines and Indonesia all stake spurious claims on our territorial waters. A fleet air arm in that area would enhance our presence.
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