Algeria, Egypt, Nigeria, Bangladesh and Saudis to "receive JF-17s"

[drg]

Here's the link:
http://kommersant.com/search-result.asp Note: Click on number 1.
It also claims in the article that Lebanon, Burma, Iran and Sri Lanka have expresed interest in JF-17.
Personally, I think that the countries that they claim are buying are the plane, are simply countries that have expressed interest and may buy the plane, not necessarily will buy the plane.

 

[funtz]

However they have expressed interest, that means they see a possible role for this combat jet plane in their Air Force, what else is available within the same bracket.

Bangladesh, Burma, Sri Lanka, Nigeria can be good markets, i suppose and China and Pakistan can do a lot in these nations, especially Bangladesh, Burma and Srilanka as Pakistan and China can offer good professional training to them. If Pakistans example is anything to go by, Their can be a good market for avionics and weapons etc.

 

[SABRE]

Here's the link:
http://kommersant.com/search-result.asp Note: Click on number 1.
It also claims in the article that Lebanon, Burma, Iran and Sri Lanka have expresed interest in JF-17.
Personally, I think that the countries that they claim are buying are the plane, are simply countries that have expressed interest and may buy the plane, not necessarily will buy the plane.

There are no confirmations to this report so treat it accordingly.

So far only Azerbaijan & Zimbabwe have openly shown their interests. Azerbijan, I think, confirmed its requirement for 24 to 26 JF-17s (PAC Versions). Zimbabwe is going for 12 FC-1s (CAC versions).

 

[Titanium]

Lets look at the options available at present for most of the so-called third world countries to equip their airforce.

US: F-16, F/A-18, F-15
Europe: Rafale, Typhoon, Gripen
Russia: MIG-29, SU-30
China: J-7, JF-17

So considering the choices, its obious that these countries can afford only JF-17 as modern fighter.

 

[funtz]

The link is not showing up anything, searching individually on Kommer their is nothing that specifically deals with the topic, except wiki which sites no sources.

Could you post a more direct link Mr.drg?

I do not know of other nations mentioned your post however from recent news reports it seems as if Sri Lanka can utilize combat aircrafts which have good ground attack capability(as is obvious from recent ground attacks at separatist terrorists) decent air to air tracking and attack capability(to take care of the flying bombs that pester them) and a provide limited reconnaissance through suites developed for the local terrain.

If the JF-17 can act as a stable platform their could be a Sri Lanka specific version, however the limited number they might need these combat aircrafts in might make this an expensive proposition, however a required expensive proposition.

 

[eaf-f16]

Lets look at the options available at present for most of the so-called third world countries to equip their airforce.

US: F-16, F/A-18, F-15
Europe: Rafale, Typhoon, Gripen
Russia: MIG-29, SU-30
China: J-7, JF-17

So considering the choices, its obious that these countries can afford only JF-17 as modern fighter.

Umm....Saudi Arabia has like the 5th largest defense budget in the world and it's a "third world" country and it has already bought the Typhoon. Egypt is a "third world" but it has the 4th largest fleet of F-16's outside of the US. Algeria is a "third world" country that has both the Su-30 and the MiG-29. Kuwait is a "third world" country and it has the F/A-18.

Unless your still living in the Cold War Era the term "third world" country is no longer valid. There are "Under-developed", "Developing" and "Developed" countries.

The story is fake. This website specifically is unreliable. They reported something about Egypt buying Tor-M1's and MiG-29's as if it were fact before.

 

[Titanium]

Umm....Saudi Arabia has like the 5th largest defense budget in the world and it's a "third world" country and it has already bought the Typhoon. Egypt is a "third world" but it has the 4th largest fleet of F-16's outside of the US. Algeria is a "third world" country that has both the Su-30 and the MiG-29. Kuwait is a "third world" country and it has the F/A-18.

Unless your still living in the Cold War Era the term "third world" country is no longer valid. There are "Under-developed", "Developing" and "Developed" countries.

The story is fake. They reported something about Egypt buying Tor-M1's and MiG-29's as if it were fact before.

I know the term is misnomer, that is why I used "so-called" with third world term. Well as you said Saudi arabia may not be needing JF-17, but rest of countries do need aircraft of JF-17 capability, may not in frontline but certainly a second tier.

If you do look at the philosophy behind the development of JF-17 and LCA, you would understand that it is not meant to be replacing the front line jet in their respective countires, but rather to complement them. So for Egypt and Algeria, JF-17 capable aircraft is appropriate, not necessarily JF-17 itself.

The case of Algerian inclusion in the list is what I think called for this report. Which is surprising, as they have finalised a big contract with russia recently. According to reported terms of agreement betweeen russia and china, JF-17 with RD-93 can not be exported to Russian customers.

All news has to be taken with bucket of salt these days, after NEWS of 250 SU-30 and J-10 to Iran

 

[funtz]

The Russian Federal Military Technology Cooperation Service has permitted China to re-export Russian RD-93 fighter jet engines as part of FC-1 Chinese-Pakistani planes to six countries, including Algeria, which, until now, has only bought Russian jets.

Besides Pakistan and Algeria, the countries that will receive the planes are Egypt, Nigeria, Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia.

Pakistan is the only country that has signed a for the purchase of the aircraft so far.

Besides the countries that plan to sign contracts,

Lebanon, Burma, Iran and Sri Lanka have expressed interest in it.

This was the exact link i suppose, nice going for defense journalists i suppose.

http://www.kommersant.com/page.asp?id=827285

 

[Uche Africanus]

I don't know if this story is true but Nigeria definitely needs a decent fighter plane and lead in trainers. In fact, it would appear that its armed forces needs new equipments for land, navy and air force.

 

[meh]

Lets look at the options available at present for most of the so-called third world countries to equip their airforce.

US: F-16, F/A-18, F-15
Europe: Rafale, Typhoon, Gripen
Russia: MIG-29, SU-30
China: J-7, JF-17

So considering the choices, its obious that these countries can afford only JF-17 as modern fighter.

The thing you have to realise is that the JF-17 is ment to replace aircrafts like the MIG-21 and F-5 that is its main goal. Not to mention that it is far cheaper then the aircrafts listed. But like the aircrafts listed above the JF-17 incorporates feachers like BVR, Within visual range capabilites and can drop precision guided munitions. It also has HMS and is capable of anti-ship warfaire as well. So it can match in some respects the abilities of the aircrafts listed but lacks Maneuverability and advanced radars of something like the Eurofighter

 

[Titanium]

The thing you have to realise is that the JF-17 is ment to replace aircrafts like the MIG-21 and F-5 that is its main goal. Not to mention that it is far cheaper then the aircrafts listed. But like the aircrafts listed above the JF-17 incorporates feachers like BVR, Within visual range capabilites and can drop precision guided munitions. It also has HMS and is capable of anti-ship warfaire as well. So it can match in some respects the abilities of the aircrafts listed but lacks Maneuverability and advanced radars of something like the Eurofighter

No one is under illusion about capabilities of JF-17, that includes their developers. I just listed the available aircraft in the market.

 

[ahussains]

Well this will be a big achivment for the China and Pakistan .. they produce a Aircraft in a very short time with limited resources and a cost effective solution for the 3 world nations... and they easily earn money ,,,

 

[Titanium]

and they lived ever happily.............

 

[meh]

No one is under illusion about capabilities of JF-17, that includes their developers. I just listed the available aircraft in the market.

I was not trying to undermine you or anything I was just adding some information on sorry for the misunderstanding

 

[qwerty223]

The link is not showing up anything, searching individually on Kommer their is nothing that specifically deals with the topic, except wiki which sites no sources.

Could you post a more direct link Mr.drg?

The news exists... although i dont think it is relevant to quote Saudi...
http://kommersant.com/p827285/military_industrial_sales/

The re-export issue actually only lies on Pak-Indo relationship crisis. So if Pakistan are to receive them, its not a problem for other exportation.
But here's and interesting quote from the news:

India spoke against re-exporting RD-93 to Pakistan. However, the Russian president’s staff said that the deal with China does not harm Delhi’s interests, and explains: “India buys not just next-generation jets from Russia, but ‘four-plus’ generation jets”.

JF-17 fighter jets are the third generation, actually outdated machines. Meanwhile, if that deal had failed, Pakistan would have been able to acquire more modern Europe’s Eurofighter Typhoon jets or American F-16 aircrafts.

http://kommersant.com/p792862/China_to_re-export_RD-93_to_Pakistan/

 

[ejaz007]

JF-17’s are meant to replace J-6, J-7, F-5, A-5, Mirage-III, Mirage-V and other fighters commonly in use with low budget air forces. JF-17 shall have around 10-15 million USD price tag per plane depending on the number built. If China decides to induct these planes than price should be around 10 million mark.

According to latest news available on the net following countries have shown interest: Algeria, Bangladesh, Egypt, Iran, Lebanon, Myanmar, Nigeria, Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe.

The main issue with the program was engine re-export to Pakistan. It seems it has been resolved. Also WS-13 the local engine to be fitted to the fighter has been certified and shall be available from 2009. So no major hurdle is expected in the progress. PAF is expected to receive 8 fighters during 2008 and then full rate production shall commence.

 

[Skyman]

On the Burma interesting of JF-17, it could be, in my opinion, possible.

There are a little armed race in South East Asia today. Malaysia got MKM and eyes for another MRCA, Singapore order of F-15SG is now 24 aircrafts. Indonesia order 8 Su-30MK2 (Is it MK2?). And Thailand, we just order 12 Gripen and ERIEYE and eyes on conducting MLU on F-16.

I have to say, without bias or offense, in Burmese eyes, Thailand weapon build up is most concerning thing. They currently operating 36 Israeli-upgraded F-7M (With new radar and Python-3, also laser bomb capability), 24 A-5C and 12 MiG-29B/UB. Many news say those jet is in bad condition and the combat availability is not that high.

Back to 2006, according to the news, Burma try to procure MiG-29N from Mayalsia but the deal collapse bacause of budget constraint and Malaysia decision to fly them until 2010.

After the small clash between Thailand and Burma in 1999, It is obviously see that they want new jets and they got a large amont of money from selling oil, gas, electricitiy to Thailand,: and JF-17 is not that expensive to buy. In my opinion they will definitly buy it someday.

 

[StudentofWar]

How does a JF-17 compare to the Rafale?

 

[swerve]

How does a JF-17 compare to the Rafale?

Poorly, except in price.

This is too broad a question. I suggest you do a little reading about the characteristics of both aircraft. There's a lot of information in the public domain.

 

[tphuang]

while this article is not good, JF-17 is definitely going to see many orders from the Muslim world. Saudi is off the list, but I think Egypt will buy quite a few. Considering that they are the biggest user of K-8 and also have quite a few F-7s, they are probably the most logical purchasers along with Bangladesh, Burma, Iran and some of those poor African countries.