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Gripenator

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This has been circulating around for quite a while. Indeed, what is the status of this project and what is the status of the Project 76 SSK?

A friend of mine formerly of the Indian Naval Establishment is furious at what he terms the 'incompetance' and 'pig headedness' of the Indian MoD in awarding contracts for the Project 75 (Scorpene deal) and the severely delayed ATV project.

On an interesting note, he speculates that Project 76 could be won by the Amur SSK design customized with Israeli and German subsystems-preferred by serving IN officers.
 

nero

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just cut the crap

india had also expressed interest in the mu90 eurotorp ,however i dont know the status of this acquisition plan.
. u r apreading rumours now. just stop it.

india has no plans to introduce the Mu-90.

please provide a link so that ur outlandish claims can be verified.

also news about the blackshark is totally baseless. india will probablu use their own indegenous light weight torpedo, which is under development.

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contedicavour

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. u r apreading rumours now. just stop it.

india has no plans to introduce the Mu-90.

please provide a link so that ur outlandish claims can be verified.

also news about the blackshark is totally baseless. india will probablu use their own indegenous light weight torpedo, which is under development.

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Ehm Blackshark is a heavy torpedo, not a light one. And so far most Scorpenes sold around the world use Blackshark. So may be no firm decision has been taken, but chances are indeed high.

cheers
 

aaaditya

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hey guys ,interesting news here ,it seems that the indian navy plans to re-engine its tu-95 bears with newer engines.

here check out this link and article:

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2007/09/10/216674/new-engines-for-russian-and-indian-bears.html

Russia's Nikolai Kuznetsov's Samara Scientific Technical Complex (Kuznetsov SNTK) is resuming production of its NK-12 turboprop engine under orders from the Russian and Indian defence ministries as part of a re-engining programme for their respective fleets of Tupolev Tu-95 bombers and Tu-142 maritime surveillance aircraft.
An initial six engines are due to be delivered late this year, with India having placed orders in late 2006. Moscow's upgrade programme comes in the wake of president Vladimir Putin's 17 August order to resume round-the-clock long-range air patrols. Royal Norwegian Air Force Lockheed Martin F-16 and UK Royal Air Force Panavia Tornado F3 fighters on 6 September intercepted a formation of eight Tu-95s over the North Sea.
 

aaaditya

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here is an interesting article,on the lessons learnt by the indian navy from the malabar-07 excercises ,and the benefits it would provide the indian navy ,in it's quest to become a more potent force.

here is the link and article:

http://www.indianexpress.com/sunday/story/215311.html

USS Kitty Hawk/ Port Blair, September 8:Mid-air refueling is a standard practice for any modern air power in the world. The ability of a fighter aircraft to refuel in flight not only gives it extended range to reach out to a target but also enhances its ability to stay up in the air to protect an asset.

However, when an Indian Sea Harrier fighter “buddy refueled” from an F-18 Super Hornet in the middle of the Bay of Bengal, the commander of the largest forward deployed US Navy fleet considered it to be the highlight of the six day Malabar 07-2 war games. “These are the sort of things that require really high end skills. There is no other exercise available to develop such capabilities,” Vice Admiral William Crowder, US 7th fleet commander said, minutes after explaining that the five-nation exercises are not directed towards “any particular country.”

Forget China — the two aircraft carrier strike groups in the exercise (Viraat and Kitty Hawk), sailing just a few hours away from the Malacca straits, are competent enough to squeeze the Asian economic giant’s energy imports, Indian officers say that such skills pave the way for joint strikes and missions by the five countries against any common threat.
No surprise then that the entire war game was conducted as per standards followed in NATO missions. All Indian ships were attuned to NATO standard communication frequencies, technical terminology, command structures and were even fitted with special US equipment to connect to its CENTRIX satellite communication system. Officers confirmed that a detailed NATO standards ‘MTP’ document spelling out the standards was handed to the Indian Navy earlier in the year to prepare for the exercise.
The standardization and homework paid off. The clockwork precision with which the war games went off even managed to surprise Indian naval officers who have witnessed many bilateral exercises in the past.
“The smoothness of operations was incredible. We understand each other’s way of communication and to some extend have got an insight to the thinking each side does,” an Indian Navy Officer, who had earlier participated in the 2005 Malabar exercises said.
Interoperability apart, for the Indian Navy that is in the threshold of becoming a maritime force to reckon with, the opportunity to learn and compete with the sole superpower in the world was in the words of an officer “priceless.”
Multi-Carrier operations for instance, is something that the navy needs to work on before the induction of its two new aircraft carriers in the next seven years. “(The main skill set gained is) Multi carrier operations. Three carriers operating at the same time is something we are not used to yet,” says Vice Admiral RP Suthan, commander in chief of the eastern command.
Moreover, with China starting the construction of its indigenous aircraft carrier this year, it helped to practise pitching two carriers against each other during the exercise to hone air defence skills.
The opportunity to track and ‘destroy’ a nuclear submarine (USS Chicago) during Malabar gave the Indian Navy — more attuned to Soviet philosophy gained by the operation of a Russian nuke sub in the late 1980s — a rare close look into the tactics adopted by Western countries.
The two Indian officers onboard the Chicago too picked pointers on how to avoid detection and attack by the enemy which would come in handy when it inducts a Akula-II Russian nuclear submarine next year.
While the Indian Navy is not any match to its American counterpart in terms of technology — a “shooter” on board Kitty Hawk who is responsible for the safe catapult launch of aircraft from deck jokingly commented that the Viraat could be spotted from miles due the black smoke it emits — the exchange of skills is in no way one-sided.
With the planned acquisition of two new aircraft carriers by 2014 (Gorshkov and the Air Defence Ship), the induction of the Akula II and the launch of the indigenous ATV nuke sub next year plus the phased acquisition of an entire new line of destroyers, the Indian Navy is on its way to becoming perhaps the second most potent maritime power in the world. And, as Vice Admiral Yoji Koda, commander of the Japan Maritime Self Defence Force (JMSDF) puts it — “Internationally, Navies understand each other.”
 

su-30mki

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INS Talwar to add punch to Indian Navy

Vinay Shukla in St Petersburg | June 18, 2003 20:27 IST

India on Wednesday entered the stealth warfare era with the induction of Krivak-III class frigate INS Talwar, which Naval chief Admiral Madhavendra Singh said would be the sharpest sword of the country's maritime forces and would add punch to its naval might.

"Every navy tries to acquire longer-range weapons and sensor capability. This ship has much larger range and sensor capability than any ship of the Indian Navy has today. It will enable India to target more further away," Admiral Singh told PTI after the formal commissioning of the frigate at a colourful ceremony.

INS Talwar is first to be inducted among the three new-generation stealth frigates India had orderd from Russia under a $ 900 million deal.

The second frigate INS Trishul will be inducted on June 25, when Defence Minister George Fernandes is expected to visit St Petersburg to attend the International Maritime Salon-2003. The third frigate, INS Tabar, currently undergoing sea trials, is to be delivered by the end of this year.

Admiral Singh noted that Krivak-III class frigates of the Project 1135.6 are the example of a new trend in Indo-Russian naval cooperation, which has now confidently moved to joint designing, production and technology transfer.

A large number of new generation systems, including sonar 'Hans', fitted on the Talwar class Indian frigates are designed and developed in India, he added.

Admiral Singh said that India is firm on its policy of self reliance in defence production and the country's three main shipyards have built 90 ships and vessels for the navy.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/jun/18ship.htm
 

Agressor1

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ASW Sea King replacement.

hey guys here are the contenders for the indian navy's maritime patrol helicopter deal.


The Indian navy has begun evaluating four proposals for its anti-submarine warfare (ASW) helicopter replacement requirement, writes Brendan Sobie.
Industry sources say bids have been submitted by Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL) offering the Eurocopter EC725, NH Industries the NH90, Sikorsky the S-70B and by the US Navy for the new Sikorsky-built, Lockheed Martin integrated MH-60R.
The Indian navy is looking to replace its ageing Westland Sea King fleet, which when delivered in the 1980s consisted of over 40 aircraft, and initially plans to acquire 16 replacements and take eight options. The navy will conduct field evaluations after finishing technical evaluations, but the manufacturers have not yet been provided with a schedule for site visits. A contract could be signed as early as next year, but sources say the navy may opt to delay the acquisition and instead buy a proposed 10t indigenous helicopter from HAL.
The Indian manufacturer plans to select a foreign company to help it launch a five-year indigenous development or co-development programme. Sources say Eurocopter and Sikorsky are now preparing proposals, which will be submitted to HAL around mid-year. Sources say Bell also met with HAL earlier this year to discuss co-developing a new helicopter that would have expanded Bell’s portfolio into the 10t category, but the US manufacturer has decided against submitting a bid.
AgustaWestland, which did not respond to the navy’s tender because its EH101 is too large for the requirement, is also unlikely to submit a bid for the HAL project.
Sources say Eurocopter is the frontrunner over Sikorsky because it has already teamed with HAL to offer the EC725 in response to the navy’s tender and the duo is also planning joint bids for other Indian helicopter acquisition prog
Its been a long time since we heard of the Sea King replacement deal. Anybody have the latest info on which helo has been chosen and in what numbers, when will they be delivered and so on.....

Its been a long time since we heard of the Sea King replacement deal. Anybody have the latest info on which helo has been chosen and in what numbers, when will they be delivered and so on.....
 

funtz

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"And if our Indian визави flatly will refuse to reconsider conditions of the contract, to them can quite offer the penalty. And the converted ship will return in fighting structure of the Russian fleet."
Source: http://shipbuilding.ru/rus/news/russian/2007/10/12/cg/
"If our dear indian friends disagree, well they can fly the MiG’s on water and forget about an aircraft carrier till 2014-2017”.

With the Mig 29K ready to come in to service, the lone aircraft carrier about to go to sleep, no news of the indigenous ADS in the media, it is very unlikely that the Indian Navy will like to take the compensation and run, they might be more interested in getting the ship and emloying some consultants to double-triple check every estimation the russians give (well there should have been one for this project).

I wonder if this was just pre-school estimation on work or an elaborate plot to trap a major client.

Going purely by the size of small Aircraft carriers, the Russians must have dropped some project to start the re-fitting, as there have not been any Russian aircraft carrier projects going on lately, in which case the Russians might be feeling as tapped as the Indians with the good old Gorshkov.

Has the minister of defense has covered this in the price escalation negotiations.

I just realised that if the deal fails we might have two floating museums, remains of a carrier battle group, and no aircraft carrier.


Its been a long time since we heard of the Sea King replacement deal. Anybody have the latest info on which helo has been chosen and in what numbers, when will they be delivered and so on.....
Well 18 seakings are being upgraded, atleast they are not going anywhere.

India to Upgrade 18 Sea Kings
By VIVEK RAGHUVANSHI, NEW DELHI
India’s state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) will upgrade 18 of the Indian navy’s anti-submarine Sea King Mk42 and -42B helicopters, using new warfare systems purchased from foreign firms, Indian Defence Ministry sources said.
Ministry officials approved the three-year, roughly $200 million effort in early October.
 
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funtz

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Some warship technology products developed by Naval Science and Technological Laboratory (NSTL), Vishakapatnam will be handed over to Indian Navy in Vishakapatnam tomorrow. Dr A Sivathanu Pillai, Chief Controller (R&D), DRDO will hand over the products to Vice Admiral DSP Varma, Chief of Materials, Naval Headquarters.

NSTL is involved in development of warship technologies useful for evading detection by enemy, ships / submarines. These technologies are aimed for use in modern warships under design and construction. NSTL has nurtured these technologies in the recent past and is progressing strongly towards self reliance in this critical arena. Warship technology is a multidisciplinary field covering different aspect such as acoustics and electro-magnetics covering a wide band of frequencies. Hence an inter disciplinary and holistic approach has been adopted in developing these products.

A number of products were developed by NSTL to avert damages to naval ships in enemy attacks. Some of the products developed are acoustics enclosures, acoustic silencers, double stage vibration isolation system, Radar transparent ladder, stanchions, camouflage screens, helo net frames and composite blowers among many others. All these products were subjected to extensive laboratory and shipboard evaluations. After successful evaluations, these products were accepted for induction into Indian Navy.
Source: http://pib.nic.in/release/release.asp?relid=32287

Indian Navy inducts indigenously developed technologies for evading detection of ships

By ANI
Wednesday October 31, 02:46 PM

The Indian Navy has now acquired indigenously developed technologies that would make its warships and submarines evade detection by enemies.

This has become possible by the efforts of the Defence Research and Development Organisation's special laboratory for developing naval technologies.

Among a variety of new products that Visakhapatnam-based Naval Science and Technological Laboratory (NSTL) has developed are Radar Transparent Ladder and Camouflage Screens that would help the warships avoid being detected by enemies' surveillance systems.

Beside these, other new products developed by the NSTL include acoustics enclosures, which are specially designed to reduce the noise transmitted by the ship engines. Acoustic silencers and double stage vibration isolation system would also help in reducing the amount of sound level created by the ships.

The Indian Navy has been acquiring such technologies from different countries like Russia, and in recent years due to the indigenous development of such technologies, the Navy has been able to reduce its expenditure on these products significantly.

The NSTL is looking forward to achieve self-reliance in this critical arena too.

DRDO chief Dr. Sivathanu Pillai officially handed over these new products to the Indian Navy for induction today.

The induction was carried out only after a series of evaluation tests and extensive laboratory tests.
Source: http://in.news.yahoo.com/071031/139/6mmyd.html

Brief technical details of these products is given in this link.

http://www.drdo.org/tejas/warshiptechnstl.pdf

So more moves towards self reliance,
Light weight torpedoes, SV2000 maritime patrol radar-Mihir sonar for naval HAL Dhruv, work going on the heavy weight torpedoes, the aircraft carrier project, naval Tejas, and the above listed technologies

The Indian Navy seems to be having more success with the indigenous projects, good moves, any other indigenous projects in the pipeline?

The land of indigenous projects is with its own problems
The Navy, which has eight Dhruvs in its inventory, indicated that it was considering procuring around 60 of them. But, according to HAL sources, the Navy has stalled on signing a contract.

The helicopter to be chosen for the Navy’s surface fleet, including the Godavari class of frigates, will replace some of the Sea Kings, HAL-built Chetaks and Dhruvs, and possibly even the Russian Kamov-25s. The HAL has received the RFI, which, however, does not specify the number of helicopters or the weight class.

The Navy has been unhappy with fleet serviceability of the Dhruv and even complained to the Defence Ministry. Though the HAL has taken steps, including setting up a dedicated maintenance, repair and overhaul facility for helicopters, and brought down the line replacement unit failure rate of the ALH fleet during the first seven months of 2007 to 5.5 per 100 hours of flying, the latest irritant is over the hingeless main rotor’s foldable blades.
Source:http://www.hindu.com/2007/11/04/stories/2007110460971000.htm
 
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funtz

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India to get Russian nuclear-powered submarines
Vishal Thapar / CNN-IBN
Published on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 at 21:48 in Nation section
New Delhi: Call it the warmth beneath the Indo-Russian chill. In the thick of a reported estrangement, the two sides are set to seal an agreement for the lease of two Akula class nuclear submarines to India.

This agreement will be the high point of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's visit to Moscow on November 10 – a reminder of the heyday of the Indo-Russian relationship. The Akulas will be delivered to the Indian Navy in 2008 on a lease of at least seven years.

So, what do the Akula submarines mean to the Indian Navy? Most importantly, these would help the Navy prepare for the induction of the ATV, India's indigenous nuclear-powered vessel-in-the-making which goes for sea trials in 2009. Strategic submarines are the key to India's quest for a credible nuclear deterrence.

For Russia, raising the stakes, it hopes, will increase Indian dependence as Moscow seeks to defend its position as No. 1 defence supplier to New Delhi.

“Existing dependence of India on Russian equipments is so large that even if there was an inclination to reduce it’s dependence is not going to come about,” says Ex-Envoy to Russia, Kanwal Sibal.

Russia is now linking India's energy security with defence trade. Sources tell CNN-IBN that Russia is willing to offer stakes to Indian entities in oil and gas exploration in Stockman and Sakhalin in exchange for New Delhi's commitments on defence orders particularly big ones like the deal in 126 fighter jets.
Akula submarines finally the link suggests that that the PM himself will sign the agreement, finally this news was around for such a long time some time reporting lease of 2, some times 3 and now 1 sub.
It seems the good old days are back again. back in 1988 India leased an Charlie class and now the Akula.
With the aircraft carrier disaster i fail to see how the navy fell for this, untill this was decided sometime back.
Hope they make a difference in the Navy's capabilities, probably they will field some more Klubs.
Any one have a credible link for information about the Akula subs, one that i can view?
 

Firehorse

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Akula links

Try these:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/row/rus/971.htm

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/akula/

http://kuku.sawf.org/Articles/2182.aspx

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/..._clears_defence_deals/articleshow/2529619.cms

“Russia is also set to lease out to India an Akula-II nuclear submarine for a period of 10 years beginning with 2008 or 2009,” the Izvestia national daily reported on Thursday.
http://www.hindu.com/2007/10/19/stories/2007101958551500.htm
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/India_demands_answers_on_Gorshkov/articleshow/2510308.cms

There is a possibility that the USS Kitty Hawk (CV-63), once decomissioned next year, may be transferred to IN as a stop gap. The Indians had a chance to take a close look at that carrier during recent joint exercises.
http://www.defensetech.org/archives/003525.html
 
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Firehorse

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How do you know? The US is eager to cultivate India to contain China and to open new markets for military hardware.
 

AegisFC

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The Shitty Hawk is too similar in design to the current Nimitz's to be sold, it will either be put into mothballs or sunk in an undisclosed location.
Besides India couldn't afford to run it and crew it.
 

funtz

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Ya that is true, the navy is hoping for three carriers so that two are always available, there is a 2006 interview with Indian Navy Chief Admiral Arun Prakash explaining the situation.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVWOLe2rjSI"]YouTube - Indian Navy future plans[/ame]

well the navy could sacrifice the fleet to get a floating museum and take the game of winning hearts and minds to the next level, will probably boost their old Cinderella status too.
 

Firehorse

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The Shitty Hawk is too similar in design to the current Nimitz's to be sold, it will either be put into mothballs or sunk in an undisclosed location.
Besides India couldn't afford to run it and crew it.
No, if not sold it will be turned into a museum or used for spares just like other CVs. CV-66 was sunk already- there is no need to sink another carrier. At the time of decomissionning, CV-62 was in good shape- it's even less similar to CVN-68 than CV-63, and could be a substitute for what the IN needs.
 

funtz

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No, if not sold it will be turned into a museum or used for spares just like other CVs. CV-66 was sunk already- there is no need to sink another carrier. At the time of decomissionning, CV-62 was in good shape- it's even less similar to CVN-68 than CV-63, and could be a substitute for what the IN needs.
I do not think a nimitz class will fit into the navy even if it was procured(with the associated costs somehow accounted),
for air defense-anti shiping sea denial role the nimitz class is much more than what is required, the recent operational history of the USN shows that USN has to fulfill a much more complex role they need large (in numbers and size) carriers groups for this purpose, Indian Navy on the other hand has a limited area where they will have to operate in possible hostile sea, it seems that a group of 12 + 12 fixed wing combat aircrafts and 10 or so helis per carrier are all that is needed, then again what do i know.
 

contedicavour

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I think the Indian Navy has already seen that taking second hand carriers isn't always the magical problem solver one could imagine... just look at the delays with the Gorshkov carrier... besides, the Indian Navy operates Harriers and (soon) navalized MIG29s. Neither needs catapults. Numbers-wise, there are 20 Harriers max that are operational at any given time, and eventually 2 dozen MIG29s. The Kitty Hawk makes sense if you have 60+ jets ready to operate from it... even if it's true that Indian sailors don't have the same salaries as USN ones ;)

cheers
 

funtz

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Camcopter S-100 successfully completes shipboard trials
Vienna, 12th November 2007 – On 4th October 2007 Schiebel’s CAMCOPTER® S-100 UAV System successfully completed a series of flights from an Offshore Patrol Vessel of the Indian Navy in the Arabian Sea.
http://www.skycontrol.net/uav/camcopter-s-100-successfully-completes-shipboard-trials/

about the Camcopter S-100 UAV
The S-100 light and strong carbon-fiber body together with a small but powerful 55HP Diamond engine allows the robotic chopper to stay in the air for up to six hours with a payload of 25-50kg of cameras and sensors.
The S-100 is designed as a medium range (around 130km) light and maneuverable unmanned aerial vehicle.
cost of approximately $400,000 a piece.
http://www.tfot.info/pod/288/camcopter-s-100-uav.html

Any effective sensors that weigh 25-50KG?

For a 6 hour, 130 KM range, 25-50 kg payload this UAV does not sound a good deal for the navy especially At 400,000$.

Was VTOL, a point that the navy preferred?
 
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