I believe Heckler&Koch also developed a variant of M-4 with short-stroke gas piston system.
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Malaysian Army/Land forces discussions
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Yes, I did mention that in my post. But anything with the 2 letters "HK" on it means $$. I'm surprised we have to wait till now for the Germans to mod the gas system when the problem was apparent to everyone 40 years ago.
Instead, they came up with the silly half measure of adding a "Forward Bolt Assist". This thing is useless in assisting chambering - if your bolt carrier is fouled up, you have to clean the weapon or you'll keep facing failure - PERIOD.
This thing also hurts your right hand during bayonet fighting drill when you stab something really hard.
If you look at the right side of the Taiwan T-91, you can see the Bolt-Assist is not present.
When MAF were using the M16, were they locally-made or imported?
Instead, they came up with the silly half measure of adding a "Forward Bolt Assist". This thing is useless in assisting chambering - if your bolt carrier is fouled up, you have to clean the weapon or you'll keep facing failure - PERIOD.
This thing also hurts your right hand during bayonet fighting drill when you stab something really hard.
If you look at the right side of the Taiwan T-91, you can see the Bolt-Assist is not present.
When MAF were using the M16, were they locally-made or imported?
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which year did malaysia became independent?
before england it was thailand, right? i just think the thai have more experience in combat and at war, they also managed to hold themself against the viet back then, mmm malaysian forces probably more advance in naval with your new ships but will lost out in army and air to the thai. look around boys
before england it was thailand, right? i just think the thai have more experience in combat and at war, they also managed to hold themself against the viet back then, mmm malaysian forces probably more advance in naval with your new ships but will lost out in army and air to the thai. look around boys
I dont even get it what are you saying
Yes thailand is idenpedant far more faster than malaysia but still look what is happening to their country.Bombing here and there.Economy not stabalise.
Trust me malaysia have lots of experience during battle.Look the confrantation with indonesia.Who came up on top..... malaysia! With PKM[parti komunis malaya]who came on top.....malaysia!Besides that malaysia have served in nearly every UN missions.
I bet you saw the "Black hawk down" movie before.
Its the malaysian and pakistan UN forces that saved the american delta forces stranded there.1 malaysian soldier even died shot by and RPG while he was driving a condor APC.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mogadishu_(1993)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Thai_Air_Force
I dont now the Thailand air force were that superiour!
They only have all the old F-16 compared to the new block 60 and others like the RSAF is using now.
They will only be receiving the Gripen in 2010.
I dont think Thailand will use their force at any country especially with their own internal problems.
true, thailand been !@#$ mainly because of corruption, they dont have good system like malaysia, they military budget has been cut in the last ten year since the Thaksin govt. thailand had never been a western colony Myanmar to England, Laos Cambodia (belong the the thai back then) and Vietnam to the French, and also lost of bit of the area in the south to England as well.
more experience in battle? LOL you served in almost every UN missions? but your country never fight for the real combat experience (following the other UN troops?) did malaysia sent their soldier to fight in the WW1 and WW2? korea war? vietnam war? Laos? without commonwealth thing mmm no chance
Of course Singapore has the most advance air force in the region, thai probably has about fifty f-16A/B block15OCU and around sixteen of f-16ADF which the AMRAAM capable (RTAF is the only air force in the world that operate the f-16 without losing any aircraft since in service, RTAF has got quite small number of them AMRAAM which was first kept in Korea or Japan (can't remember). also around 30-40 f-5 after the crashed (32 yrs in service, answer? JAS-39 with SAAB 340 Erieye). your last paragraph was also true, as one peaceful nation.
more experience in battle? LOL you served in almost every UN missions? but your country never fight for the real combat experience (following the other UN troops?) did malaysia sent their soldier to fight in the WW1 and WW2? korea war? vietnam war? Laos? without commonwealth thing mmm no chance
Of course Singapore has the most advance air force in the region, thai probably has about fifty f-16A/B block15OCU and around sixteen of f-16ADF which the AMRAAM capable (RTAF is the only air force in the world that operate the f-16 without losing any aircraft since in service, RTAF has got quite small number of them AMRAAM which was first kept in Korea or Japan (can't remember). also around 30-40 f-5 after the crashed (32 yrs in service, answer? JAS-39 with SAAB 340 Erieye). your last paragraph was also true, as one peaceful nation.
No disrespect dude.
As what i see in terms of items Thailand is the second best in SEA in air force.
They outnumber malaysia current air force inventory by the ratio 3-1!
But if you look at it properly The thais air force mainly comprissed of older aircraft like the F-5s.
The coming Gripen and eyerie will surely upgrade the power of the RTAF
Their ground forces MBT outnumber malaysia like hell!!!
But malaysia still hold the advantage in the sea.
I just wanna correct your statement.
Why would malaysia send troops to fight in ww2 when the japanese are already at their border.
If you look at history its the Thailands that let the japan army to land at pattani and start the invasion of malaysia and singapore.The japan army promised not to attack thailand in returned!
Malaysia have lots of experienced in confrantations.
INdonesia,PKM,Japan.:nutkick
well, no disrespect to you too, mate
RTAF main forces are the older aircraft like the F-16A/B, ok? not the F-5
and like i said malaysia would ProbablY beat them at sea with your likiu class? and scorpene?
true about the Malaysia WW2, the thai in many south city actually fought them at about 10 to 1 in number for quite a while (police, civilian etc.), some took their troops up in the mountain, the japanese casualty was about 3-1 to the thai (thai would get wiped out in no time), until the prime minister then order them to give way to the japanese as they promise to use thai as a route to malaysia and myanmar where the british were, also they promise to give back the land in part of cambodia and laos to the thai where they lost it to the french (RTAF fly the japs aircraft against the french build, manage to shot many of them down, bomb many runway in cambodia where the french was etc, thai was also the first in the region to operate jets and submarines, build their own fighter plane, but that was all in the past). the japs excuse were that the SEA countries were under western colony? lol so...
yes you had your confrontation with the indo or PKM, mmm, after north vietnam got south (as their dominos plan) they also extend their ground to cambodia and laos and so the thai volunteer army was sent out to fight in laos and cambodia with underground support from US against the communist. war in laos last for many yrs and the thai also lost a number of their soldiers against the viet cong and the laos communist to keep the war outside their country (that's not including the communist within thailand). ok that's just a part of it and that's what i say a battle not just confrontation. dont get me wrong, i do respect the malaysian army, as neighbouring country, the thai never use to think of malaysia as a threat.
RTAF main forces are the older aircraft like the F-16A/B, ok? not the F-5
and like i said malaysia would ProbablY beat them at sea with your likiu class? and scorpene?
true about the Malaysia WW2, the thai in many south city actually fought them at about 10 to 1 in number for quite a while (police, civilian etc.), some took their troops up in the mountain, the japanese casualty was about 3-1 to the thai (thai would get wiped out in no time), until the prime minister then order them to give way to the japanese as they promise to use thai as a route to malaysia and myanmar where the british were, also they promise to give back the land in part of cambodia and laos to the thai where they lost it to the french (RTAF fly the japs aircraft against the french build, manage to shot many of them down, bomb many runway in cambodia where the french was etc, thai was also the first in the region to operate jets and submarines, build their own fighter plane, but that was all in the past). the japs excuse were that the SEA countries were under western colony? lol so...
yes you had your confrontation with the indo or PKM, mmm, after north vietnam got south (as their dominos plan) they also extend their ground to cambodia and laos and so the thai volunteer army was sent out to fight in laos and cambodia with underground support from US against the communist. war in laos last for many yrs and the thai also lost a number of their soldiers against the viet cong and the laos communist to keep the war outside their country (that's not including the communist within thailand). ok that's just a part of it and that's what i say a battle not just confrontation. dont get me wrong, i do respect the malaysian army, as neighbouring country, the thai never use to think of malaysia as a threat.
No disrespect dude.
As what i see in terms of items Thailand is the second best in SEA in air force.
They outnumber malaysia current air force inventory by the ratio 3-1!
But if you look at it properly The thais air force mainly comprissed of older aircraft like the F-5s.
The coming Gripen and eyerie will surely upgrade the power of the RTAF
Their ground forces MBT outnumber malaysia like hell!!!
But malaysia still hold the advantage in the sea.
I just wanna correct your statement.
Why would malaysia send troops to fight in ww2 when the japanese are already at their border.
If you look at history its the Thailands that let the japan army to land at pattani and start the invasion of malaysia and singapore.The japan army promised not to attack thailand in returned!
Malaysia have lots of experienced in confrantations.
INdonesia,PKM,Japan.:nutkick
LoL, we all know where is him from and what he's up to...
Did you all realize in the time period of 2006 and 2007 malaysia ,singapore and the thais have nearly doubled their defend spendings.
The thais budget have increased from USD2.9 billion to USD5.1 billion.
I can bet the MAF is looking closely too all the weapons that the SAF and the Thais are buying.
I think the main threat will be from singapore because of the dispute of the Pulau batu puteh island.The malaysian PM have told singapore no matter waht happens the both countries realtionship should be in good shape.
I can imagine what will happen if malaysia got the souverignty of that island.
What will the next step of the SAF.Will it only war of words or war of guns.
Nearly all the dispute of islands malaysia have won the cases.Sipadan ligitan you name it.
I hope ties with the three country will be good.I now no matter what malaysia will not be the agressor.Lets see what the neighbour thinks of that when a dispute happens.
The thais budget have increased from USD2.9 billion to USD5.1 billion.
I can bet the MAF is looking closely too all the weapons that the SAF and the Thais are buying.
I think the main threat will be from singapore because of the dispute of the Pulau batu puteh island.The malaysian PM have told singapore no matter waht happens the both countries realtionship should be in good shape.
I can imagine what will happen if malaysia got the souverignty of that island.
What will the next step of the SAF.Will it only war of words or war of guns.
Nearly all the dispute of islands malaysia have won the cases.Sipadan ligitan you name it.
I hope ties with the three country will be good.I now no matter what malaysia will not be the agressor.Lets see what the neighbour thinks of that when a dispute happens.
Why - both tanks along with their Stingrays should do just fine with upgraded ammunition due to terrian engagement ranges that would be quite close.
Quantity is also quality, during WW2, German Panther is better than the US Sherman, in a 1:1 ratio, Panther battle group ususally win against the Sherman, but if the ratio is in favour of the Sherman, Panther would lose out.
Thailand has 150 recently delivered refurnbished M60A3, 53 M60A1( I heard FCS is going to be updated) , about 105 M48A5 and some Chinese T-69-2.
And that is not all, the Thai has plenty of light tank as well, total number is at least 300.
So with the total number of MBT exceeding 300, with a 6:1 ratio against MY, not a position I like to be if I am in MY shoe.
Thailand has 150 recently delivered refurnbished M60A3, 53 M60A1( I heard FCS is going to be updated) , about 105 M48A5 and some Chinese T-69-2.
And that is not all, the Thai has plenty of light tank as well, total number is at least 300.
So with the total number of MBT exceeding 300, with a 6:1 ratio against MY, not a position I like to be if I am in MY shoe.
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Most importantly, the Thais have something both Malaysia and Singapore don't - combat experience. Outdated tanks? Look at their numbers.
Some more accurate numbers.
Thailand:
M41: 150 (all significantly upgraded)
M48A5: 105
M60A1: 53
M60A3: 125
Type 59/69: 24/110 (many are not operational, requirement for 200 tanks to replace them around 2012)
Stingray Light Tanks: 106
Scorpion: 128
These numbers mean that in most engagements between a notional Malaysia vs Thailand war, the Malaysian unit will find themselves without tanks while the Thais will likely have tank support. Even a 'outdated' M41 that 15 year old Paskal so scorns will give a decisive advantage if the Malaysian side doesn't have a tank in that engagement. Guess which side is going to win most of the engagements?
Some more accurate numbers.
Thailand:
M41: 150 (all significantly upgraded)
M48A5: 105
M60A1: 53
M60A3: 125
Type 59/69: 24/110 (many are not operational, requirement for 200 tanks to replace them around 2012)
Stingray Light Tanks: 106
Scorpion: 128
These numbers mean that in most engagements between a notional Malaysia vs Thailand war, the Malaysian unit will find themselves without tanks while the Thais will likely have tank support. Even a 'outdated' M41 that 15 year old Paskal so scorns will give a decisive advantage if the Malaysian side doesn't have a tank in that engagement. Guess which side is going to win most of the engagements?
Yes, a grand total of one case. But if we expand Malaysia's international court cases to include Singapore so far, did you take into account Malaysia's miserable attempt to stop Singapore's reclamation works in Singapore's own territory? After which Malaysia tried to put some spin on her failure?
For the 1st one, tanks are redesign again and again for a reason, which obviously the new design would be the best choice to pick compare to any other choices. Someone above also had the wrong calculation, an addition reg of PT-91M brings to 3:1, not a bad ratio, not to mention the practical deployment is not always proportion to the absolute amount in the inventory.
2nd, Malaysia usually don't public conflict/skirmish/or whatever you name it. Malaysian in a pretty way to say, we love peace, and any military conflict would greatly jeopardized our economy, most important, the stock market. But fact still leaks through whatever means. There were conflicts not only with the well known neighbor, but also with some other further neighbors.
3rd, Singapore is reclaming/invading that island is still a dispute, depends on which side you stand. As a Malaysian, we believe we will win in defending our country.
Which still doesn't negate my point. When going up against a force that doesn't have any tanks, even an old tank providing support on your side gives you a distinct advantage. That is the advantage of numbers. Malaysia has only 70+ tanks. Thailand has around 700+.
That applies for both Malaysia and Thailand, so that doesn't change the situation in Malaysia' favour.
It was peace loving Malaysia that first threatened war. Bernama reported FM Syed Hamid on 31 December 2002 "…. Singapore has two choices. If it refuses to compromise…go to war".
I was talking about Singapore's land reclamation in Tuas and Tekong, which Malaysia unsuccessfully tried to stop by bringing the case to the International Tribunal of the Law of the Sea.