Malaysian Army/Land forces discussions

[eckherl]

If they don't, I hope Singapore does.

An offer like this comes but once in a lifetime. Current 96 Leopard 2 is nice but who wants to play nice? I hope we grab more. In a real shooting war several dozen of tanks can get disabled in just one day.

Actually I am very surprised Germany are giving up more than half their original MBT strength. Either they gone "hippie" with peace and love for their fellow man or they must know something we don't.

Perhaps they already see the MBT at the end of its usefulness?

Maybe your government could buy a additional 100 to replace the Centurions.
Pretty much everyone is conducting a major draw down in heavy armor including Russia and China, the name of the game name is to have smaller size units that pack one mean punch with the best weapons technology that is currently available.

 

[Waylander]

IMHO for Singapore some kind of PSO upgrade could be the best available upgrade for the Leos. In the end the longer gun of some other versions is not really needed but the MOUT upgrades bring a Leo even closer to Singapores needs.

Are there possible close combat upgrades available for the PT-91s?

 

[eckherl]

IMHO for Singapore some kind of PSO upgrade could be the best available upgrade for the Leos. In the end the longer gun of some other versions is not really needed but the MOUT upgrades bring a Leo even closer to Singapores needs.

Are there possible close combat upgrades available for the PT-91s?

Yes there is close combat upgrades that they are looking into, some of the technology may be coming from Germany and the U.S, with these upgrades and other upgrades they are going to give it a model designation PT-92, this is Poland at least for the time being.

 

[Awang se]

Do You know what I think Malaysian Army need? Lots of Multiple Rocket Launcher. preferably in a Grad class rocket launcher. only with more accuracy. though pack less punch then the current Astros of MLRS, but the size of the system means it can be better conceal from the enemy.

 

[paskal]

Do You know what I think Malaysian Army need? Lots of Multiple Rocket Launcher. preferably in a Grad class rocket launcher. only with more accuracy. though pack less punch then the current Astros of MLRS, but the size of the system means it can be better conceal from the enemy.

Yup i agree with you
But i think the malaysian goverment are only buying these weapons for the defence not for attacking so i think african made artileries are better for defendind actions.

just wanna ask i was reading a magazine call PERAJURIT.
its report says that malaysian army has now 36 astros MLRS.
one more thing i now that malaysia now have the ss-30,ss-60,ss-80, ss-40 rocket for the astros mlrs, do they have the one that can go to about 300 km~ ones?

 

[Point Defence]

"Map" and deployment

ATM deployment.

Is this OK. I am a new member.

 

[Transient]

That is very nice. But it doesn't seem to tally with the ORBAT posted earlier.

 

[Awang se]

just wanna ask i was reading a magazine call PERAJURIT.
its report says that malaysian army has now 36 astros MLRS.
one more thing i now that malaysia now have the ss-30,ss-60,ss-80, ss-40 rocket for the astros mlrs, do they have the one that can go to about 300 km~ ones?

This you must understand. Malaysia will never buy any type of weapons unless someone else in the region bought it first. even the R-77 purchase (the first advance BVR missile purchase in the region) is a pay-for-promise purchase, in that the russian keep the purchased missile in russia and promise to send it pronto if there's need. the MIG-29N are equip with R-27 missile as it's primary operational BVR missile and so is, i believe, the MKM.

 

[Chino]

This you must understand. Malaysia will never buy any type of weapons unless someone else in the region bought it first.

Oh, I always thought you guys were to first to introduce MLRS into the region? If not MAF, then is it the Thais?

 

[aneep]

I believe the Indonesian Kor Marinir got their RM 70 MLRS long before us

-aneep-

 

[paskal]

This you must understand. Malaysia will never buy any type of weapons unless someone else in the region bought it first. even the R-77 purchase (the first advance BVR missile purchase in the region) is a pay-for-promise purchase, in that the russian keep the purchased missile in russia and promise to send it pronto if there's need. the MIG-29N are equip with R-27 missile as it's primary operational BVR missile and so is, i believe, the MKM.

No disrespect dude but malaysia have the R-77[Rvv-AE] after the RSAF and the RTAF got the AMRAAMS from the US....
Yup maybe they did keep it at RUSIA but if you see all the su-30 mkm at malaysia you can see the R-77 equipped with it.
Heres the link.
http://aeroweb.lucia.it/rap/News/RussianAviationBits.html

 

[paskal]

I believe the Indonesian Kor Marinir got their RM 70 MLRS long before us

-aneep-

I agree the TNI purchased the first MLRS in SEA.

 

[Awang se]

The RTAF made a deal back then to acquire an F/A-18, supposably come with AMRAAM as part of a weapons package, but for economic reason, the deal was cancelled. then in 2001, Thailand sign a deal for a purchase of AIM-120 to equipped it's F-16s. However, until a threat warrants their shipment to Thailand the missiles are currently being kept in the U.S.

Malaysian R-77 goes way back during 1990s, along with the purchase of MIG-29s. Singapore made an AMRAAM deal not long after that, partly as a response to the Malaysian purchase. but then the missile was also kept in US.

 

[paskal]

The RTAF made a deal back then to acquire an F/A-18, supposably come with AMRAAM as part of a weapons package, but for economic reason, the deal was cancelled. then in 2001, Thailand sign a deal for a purchase of AIM-120 to equipped it's F-16s. However, until a threat warrants their shipment to Thailand the missiles are currently being kept in the U.S.

Malaysian R-77 goes way back during 1990s, along with the purchase of MIG-29s. Singapore made an AMRAAM deal not long after that, partly as a response to the Malaysian purchase. but then the missile was also kept in US.

Thanks for the info man

 

[gary1910]

The RTAF made a deal back then to acquire an F/A-18, supposably come with AMRAAM as part of a weapons package, but for economic reason, the deal was cancelled. then in 2001, Thailand sign a deal for a purchase of AIM-120 to equipped it's F-16s. However, until a threat warrants their shipment to Thailand the missiles are currently being kept in the U.S.

Malaysian R-77 goes way back during 1990s, along with the purchase of MIG-29s. Singapore made an AMRAAM deal not long after that, partly as a response to the Malaysian purchase. but then the missile was also kept in US.

This statement is no more valid, all AMRAAM has been released to the buyers.

Read this article from US Arms Control Association:

Three Asian Countries to Get U.S. Missiles

The U.S. government has approved the delivery of advanced air combat missiles to Taiwan, Thailand, and Singapore after agreeing to sell the missiles to the three countries a few years ago. When the missiles will actually be transferred is confidential.

The Clinton administration announced plans to sell AIM-120C Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAMs) to Taiwan and Singapore in September 2000. Thailand reportedly made a similar deal, but no public record of it exists because the value of the possible sale did not cross the $14 million threshold required for the Pentagon publicly to inform Congress of the proposed transaction.

In all three cases, the United States conditioned the delivery of the AMRAAMs, which independently home in on a target beyond the distance that a pilot can see, on neighboring countries in Asia acquiring a comparable missile. U.S. policy holds that the United States will not be the first to introduce advanced beyond-visual-range missiles into a region.

In its annual report on Chinese military power released July 28, the Pentagon reported that China now possesses the Russian-made AA-12 Adder missile, which is comparable to the AMRAAM. The report marked the first public acknowledgement of a finding the United States made last year. The determination set in motion this past spring the delivery of the AMRAAMs to Taiwan, Thailand, and Singapore.

Thailand and Singapore are not considered to be within the same region where China is thought to have deployed its AA-12 missiles. But the Bush administration told Congress earlier this year that Beijing’s ability to relocate the missiles and Russian offers to sell Adders to Malaysia create an imminent threat justifying AMRAAM deliveries to Thailand and Singapore.

Taiwan could receive up to 200 AMRAAMs and Singapore as many as 100. Thailand is believed to have purchased less than 10 missiles. Japan and South Korea, which are classified as being in a different region than the three above countries, have previously purchased and received AMRAAMs.

http://www.armscontrol.org/act/2003_09/newsbriefs.asp

Summary:
This news broke out in Sep 2003, the reasons stated for the release of AMRAAMs were:

1) China has purchased BVR missile from Russia(Intel report from Pentagon) which is obviously a threat to Taiwan and she could relocate them to be a threat to both Thailand and SG as well.

2) Russia has offered to sell BVR missile to MY.
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So as in 2003, US intel don't think that MY has any BVR missile.

Anyway the recent purchase of SU-30s most likely comes with R-77, afterall Thailand and SG already have AMRAAMs in their hands.

 

[paskal]

Just wanna ask here do anyone of you here have any info about the Baktar shikan that malaysia bought ?

HOw many do they have in their inventory?

 

[Chino]

Any recent pictures of MAF troopers and their new toys the M4 rifle?

And any reports? Are the troops happy etc?

Obviously the M4 is a system that the MAF is familiar with having operated M16 for so long.

 

[wzhtg]

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Malaysia has licence to make M4 assault rifles

KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysia has a licence to manufacture M4 carbine assault rifles locally and the potential to export them to other countries in the future, said Defence Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak.
“We are buying the firearms from the United States but have the licence to produce them now through a local company,” he said yesterday.
Najib, who is also the Deputy Prime Minister, said they decided to go for the United States-made M4 Carbine as the Steyr rifle had problems because of its limited research and development technology. The Steyrs have been used for 15 years.
“The M4 Carbines are more suitable, effective and have extra capacity compared with the Steyrs.
“We took this decision as we want to enable our soldiers to be soldiers of the future, equipped with the latest modern technology,” he said during question time with student leaders after closing the Overseas Umno Club's leadership course.
The US Congress, he said, had approved the sale of the rifles, which should be delivered in the near future.
Last year, Najib had presented a letter of intent to SME Ordnance Sdn Bhd (SMEO) for the procurement of 14,000 rifles in a RM70mil deal.
SMEO had signed a contract with Colt Defence LLC for the weapons.
While it was not practical to produce all military needs locally, Najib said the country was doing well as it was producing its own Offshore Patrol Vessels and was in the process of producing unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) locally. “UAVs are the way forward in war tactics and many armies are using them as this will help reduce the number of casualties,” he added.

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/11/5/nation/19381084&sec=nation

 

[Chino]

That's clever of Malaysia getting a license to export as well.

Funny the M4 is touted as the "latest modern technology" as the weapon itself is 40 years old technology.

However an earlier report stated that the MAF wanted a weapon they could configure i.e. add on stuff like scopes etc. And the Steyr AUG didn't have that capability.

 

[Chino]

The Taiwanese T-91is a very interesting M16 variant. It looked like a M16 with piston - like the HK416.

But piston or not, they've got everything you could need in an M4 like detachable carrying handle, flip-up rear sight post as backup, front rail for mounting torch or LAD etc.

It would be more interesting if Malaysia develop and produce a piston-drive M16 instead of manufacturing a stock M4. Of course I would include more the P-rails etc.

Such a weapon would have a lot more market for export.