Can singapore hold its own?

[paskal]

Admin: language! take care before posting next time
with all due respect im just saying that the ADNAN IFV is upgraded with the BAKHTAR SHIKAn from pakistan.
You can even see pictures of the condor turned into a small main battle tank in the MAF.
I was shock to see that in the MERDEKA parade at pahang.....
I got no specific data about it but try to look at this video
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYHZ_WRhVGE"]YouTube - Malaysian Army Marksman[/ame]

I think the only reason they do that is because of the mobility in the jungle
Please get my point im only saying that if the SAF wanna go with their 3G....
THey should change the M113 that has served to long in the SAF.
It can last for at least 5 years but think logicly man 20 years thats just to much

 

[gf0012-aust]

think logicly man 20 years thats just to much

err no. 20 years is not that old for an armoured vehicle in a number of militaries.

anyway, its not an issue of age, its an issue of proper maint and relevance.

have you seen any of the upgrade kits for the M113 done by the Israelis, Italians etc?????

 

[Chino]

I was from the PDF, and were just testing out V200 when I left to work overseas.

Whether M113 will be transferred to PDF i'm not sure.

But a lot of our training is focused on FIBUA, so wheel APC will continue to be useful.

 

[paskal]

err no. 20 years is not that old for an armoured vehicle in a number of militaries.

anyway, its not an issue of age, its an issue of proper maint and relevance.

have you seen any of the upgrade kits for the M113 done by the Israelis, Italians etc?????

No disrespect man
But since now singapore is upgrading its army to 3G: i guess that the M113 should just be used as a back up....
The fronline should be equipped with BIONIX II that is superior than the M113.

But the ones equipped with the Igla should be kept as it is good[good thining by the MINDEF].

I now most country still operates the M113 but it is mainly for back up for example the US.

I personally think that if the SAF wanna go 3G with the M113 they should fully modified its armour and armaments.
Imagine if the SAF equipped it with the BAKHTAR SHIKAN that will be awesome:nutkick
I now the M113 has a good record in vietnam but its just to old if used in 2027.....
IF the SAF wanna still do it i hoped that the will be equipped with some anti-tank weapons and the armour fully refurbished.
I now it will take money but imagine the power it will have...:nutkick
The MAF has now already equipped the ADNAN.ITs fast good for malaysia terrain.....IFV and even anti-tank.I hope the SAF will do something if it wanna keep the M113.[BAKHTAR SHIKAN,IGLA[done],155mm] if they do that ill imagine the power of the SAF in the future

PEACE

 

[Aussie Digger]

err no. 20 years is not that old for an armoured vehicle in a number of militaries.

anyway, its not an issue of age, its an issue of proper maint and relevance.

have you seen any of the upgrade kits for the M113 done by the Israelis, Italians etc?????

Funny you should mention 20 years.

20 years ago was 1987. A year in which the M1A1, M2/3 Bradley, M109A6 howitzer, AH-64 Apache, Tomahawk cruise missile, Patriot SAM system, F-15E Strike Eagle were state of the art, or in the process of being introduced into service...

How many Countries 20 years later can boast systems of this quality despite their being "20 years old"...

 

[paskal]

I dont think you now what i mean
I said the M113 would not be suitable in 2027 as it is a new era of weapons so i dont think the M113 will last.......

 

[Transient]

And what whole new era of special weapons will Malaysia have that will render the M113 obsolete 20 years down the road, 15 yr old Paskal?

 

[paskal]

And what whole new era of special weapons will Malaysia have that will render the M113 obsolete 20 years down the road, 15 yr old Paskal?

I dont now whats wrong with you that everytime you must sate my age
But yeah whatever!
as you can see the MAF now is starting to refurbished their current inventory by upgrading its cappibilities.
as you can see the malaysian ADNAN now have been equipped with the superior BAKHTAR SHIKAN anti-tank weapons.They have started upgrading their condor with 105 mm weapons.The MAF Land Rover defender 110 have been equipprd with the IGLA anti-aircraft.

With all due respect im not gonna repeat my information:
You should have read all my other threads in here before firing back aimlesly:nutkick

IM saying that if Singapore wanna go 3G they should upgrade their M113 with the Armour that the Bionix II is using and equipped it with some anti-tank weaponary [ex.bakhtar shikan,105 mm,and all the others]

http://thestar.com.my/archives/2003/10/15/nation/p12najib.JPG

Please dont ask me this question again:lul

 

[gf0012-aust]

I dont think you now what i mean
I said the M113 would not be suitable in 2027 as it is a new era of weapons so i dont think the M113 will last.......

Why? there are numerous examples today of 50 year old weapons systens that are still relevant and survivable.

Its not the age of the platform - it' whats done to it to make it viable and where its tasked.

The refurb and modernisation market is huge for older weapons. In fact last year it was regarded as bigger in potential than new buy solutions.

The Israelis, Italians and the French etc... do a roaring trade in that market.

 

[Chino]

Here's an interesting development from STK that I've just found. Seems like tailored for COIN policing like those in Iraq.

This is in Russian so I can't read:
http://www.army-guide.com/rus/article/article.php?forumID=522
http://www.army-guide.com/rus/product3208.html

On the last pic you can clearly see the STK logo.

Like I said it is a metal box - it can be anything you want.

More examples of other M113 modifications here:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=86922

 

[gary1910]

nfloorl:

First thing our 3G or NCW SAF does not mean that everything must be brand new, as long as the M113 is installed with a BMS i.e. connected to the wireless network , it could work well in such a modern army.

Therefore , just because SAF is going toward that direction , it does not mean that we need to get all brand new equipment, a proper ungraded will suffice, your argument is totally base less.

For example, our 2nd hand Leo 2 that we are buying, we are going to install BMS into them so that they could work in our NCW army.

Next is, BAKHTAR SHIKAN is not some top of the line ATGM , it is a 2nd generation Semi-automatic command-to-line-of-sight (SACLOS) ATGM, in fact it will be very soon outdated as more latest 3rd generation fire and forget ATGM are come online like the Javelin , Spike etc.

For example what SAF currently using, the Spike LR is a 3rd generation ATGM.

In the fire and forget mode using thermal imaging, the operator could fire and take cover soon after or take on another target, whereas a 2nd generation SACLOS ATGM like the BAKHTAR SHIKAN, the operator will need to have the sight on the target till impact, risking enemy fire.

Spike is also a top attack ATGM due to it's lofted tarjectory,which mean going for the weakest armour at the top of turret.

And because of it's lofted trajectory plus using fibre optics to update, it could take on a target without line of sight , like behind a hill.

All the above, a 2nd generation SACLOS ATGM cannot do.:nutkick

Lastly, just because ACV-300 is installed with BAKHTAR SHIKAN ATGM which MAF only has 8 of them, it is still based on the 60s era M113.

This platform itself is limited in term of armour upgrades as the platform itself is I believe not design to go beyond 20tons or less, therefore it is totally not comparable with heavier modern IFV with composite amour like the Bradley, Warrior and even our BX.

People keep saying you are 15 years old not just because of your age but rather because of your lack of knowledge in term weaponary and constantly making invalid assumption without doing much research on the topic.

I told you quite some time ago, go read about them yourself, don't rely on info that you get from your local forum as it contain more nationalistic BS than facts!!!!

 

[paskal]

nfloorl:

First thing our 3G or NCW SAF does not mean that everything must be brand new, as long as the M113 is installed with a BMS i.e. connected to the wireless network , it could work well in such a modern army.

Therefore , just because SAF is going toward that direction , it does not mean that we need to get all brand new equipment, a proper ungraded will suffice, your argument is totally base less.

For example, our 2nd hand Leo 2 that we are buying, we are going to install BMS into them so that they could work in our NCW army.

Next is, BAKHTAR SHIKAN is not some top of the line ATGM , it is a 2nd generation Semi-automatic command-to-line-of-sight (SACLOS) ATGM, in fact it will be very soon outdated as more latest 3rd generation fire and forget ATGM are come online like the Javelin , Spike etc.

For example what SAF currently using, the Spike LR is a 3rd generation ATGM.

In the fire and forget mode using thermal imaging, the operator could fire and take cover soon after or take on another target, whereas a 2nd generation SACLOS ATGM like the BAKHTAR SHIKAN, the operator will need to have the sight on the target till impact, risking enemy fire.

Spike is also a top attack ATGM due to it's lofted tarjectory,which mean going for the weakest armour at the top of turret.

And because of it's lofted trajectory plus using fibre optics to update, it could take on a target without line of sight , like behind a hill.

All the above, a 2nd generation SACLOS ATGM cannot do.:nutkick

Lastly, just because ACV-300 is installed with BAKHTAR SHIKAN ATGM which MAF only has 8 of them, it is still based on the 60s era M113.

This platform itself is limited in term of armour upgrades as the platform itself is I believe not design to go beyond 20tons or less, therefore it is totally not comparable with heavier modern IFV with composite amour like the Bradley, Warrior and even our BX.

People keep saying you are 15 years old not just because of your age but rather because of your lack of knowledge in term weaponary and constantly making invalid assumption without doing much research on the topic.

I told you quite some time ago, go read about them yourself, don't rely on info that you get from your local forum as it contain more nationalistic BS than facts!!!!

The MAF has only 8 bakhtar shikan youre gonna be kidding me ok
http://thestar.com.my/archives/2003/...n/p12najib.JPG
It is said that all the ADNAN will be fitted with it!

How many time should i repeat man....
You should do your homework first before assuming the cappibilities of the BAKTAR SHIKAN.
The JAVELIN max range is only 2500m while the BAKTAR SHIKAN can go to about 4000m nearly twice the range of the JAVELIN.

you should get what i meant.Answer me can the JAVELIN be fitted to the M113.As what i now the JAVELIN is for foot units!
The baktar shikan can penetrate 800mm armor easily at great ranges. It can penetrate 1,000-1,200 mm of armor when equipped with more advanced tandem warheads.
Please just dont rate the BAKTAR SHIKAN as an old weapon.

Im just telling you if the M113 wanna survive in the future warefare they should upgrade its cappibility.
Just imagine now the SAF has around 1000 M113 that i dont now if its all still working being equipped with any reliable anti-tank or anti-air weapons.
Then thats an army that shouldnt be reckon with:nutkick

 

[gary1910]

The MAF has only 8 bakhtar shikan youre gonna be kidding me ok
http://thestar.com.my/archives/2003/...n/p12najib.JPG
It is said that all the ADNAN will be fitted with it!

Your link is not working!

Where else you did hear that from?

Firstly it widely reported including JDW and MY local military magazine that the 211 ACV-300/Adnan that MY bought come in 10 variants and they are:

1) IFV with 25mm cannon Qty:31
2) IFV with 0.5HMG Qty:72
3) IFV with 40mm AGL Qty:13
4) With Bakhtar Shikan Qty:8
5) Mortar Carrier Qty:10
6) Command vehicle Qty:24
7) Signal Vehicle Qty: 13
8) Fitter Vehicle Qty: 7
9) Recovery Vehicle Qty: 8
10) Ambulance Vehicle Qty: 25

And here the link about MAF maintain by a Malaysian:

http://www.geocities.com/kbmyaf/TDM_Equip.htm

Go read up about MAF and it's weaponary, before commenting about other forces and weapons!!!:nutkick

How many time should i repeat man....
You should do your homework first before assuming the cappibilities of the BAKTAR SHIKAN.
The JAVELIN max range is only 2500m while the BAKTAR SHIKAN can go to about 4000m nearly twice the range of the JAVELIN.

you should get what i meant.Answer me can the JAVELIN be fitted to the M113.As what i now the JAVELIN is for foot units!

The baktar shikan can penetrate 800mm armor easily at great ranges. It can penetrate 1,000-1,200 mm of armor when equipped with more advanced tandem warheads.
Please just dont rate the BAKTAR SHIKAN as an old weapon.

First thing , all reports stated that BAKTAR SHIKAN max range is only 3km , not 4km.

2nd thing, any ATGM that can be fitted onto a light weight vehicle like Humvee etc can certainly be fitted onto a heavier and more roomier vehicle like a IFV etc.

So why some armies don't install ATGM onto their IFV?

The reason is simple, it all depends on their doctrine, you see modern armoured formation operate with IFV/APC and tanks together, these tanks in that formation is their AT capability, so having IFV installed with ATGM is duplication of role. That is why armies don't bother to have ATGM on their IFV.

Infantry formation on the other hand need ATGM because they don't have any tank.

So don't assume that some ATGM never install onto an IFV does not mean that it cannot be installed onto one!!!

BAKTAR SHIKAN is a 2nd generation ATGM, of course it is old as compare 3rd generation ATGM!!!

But I am not saying it is not lethal but it is not as capable as any 3rd generation ATGM, simple as that.

3rd generation ATGM has fire and forget mode ,usually has top attack and NLOS targetting, 2nd generation ATGM does not have any of that.

Im just telling you if the M113 wanna survive in the future warefare they should upgrade its cappibility.
Just imagine now the SAF has around 1000 M113 that i dont now if its all still working being equipped with any reliable anti-tank or anti-air weapons.
Then thats an army that shouldnt be reckon with:nutkick

Why?

Our M113 Ultra already has armour upgrades, spall liner, 25mm RWS etc, how many IFV in SEA that actually better than our Ultra?

( Note : Go read about the extend of the upgrades from Jane)

In fact I believe that our Ultra with 25mm RWS is actually better than your Adnan with 25mm cannon in a Sharpshooter turret.

Sharpshooter turret on the right actually block the view of the commander from anything from the right, that is a flaw of the AIFV design.

Secondly the gunner of the 25mm RWS actually has better protection as he will be totally within the hull instead in a turret, the hull armour with spall liner etc will have better protection that the small Sharpshooter turret.

In fact, if we are to sell our current fleet of Ultra at a very low price, nations like Thailand , Indonesia , Philippines etc will want to buy, because none of them as anything better than our Ultra!!!

Therefore our Ultra is certainly not obsolete in the context of SEA, our BX is actually overkill in SEA!!!

As I said, BX will be replacing the Ultra in the IFV role in the frontline Div, if our Ultra is to be seconded to PDF, it can certainly still retain it's IFV role there as not many nation in SEA have better IFV than our Ultras!!

 

[LazerLordz]

I'm always amused when Paskal tries to play soldier with those of us with actual military experience.

I've seen young chaps post responsibly, so why can't he.

 

[paskal]

Your link is not working!

Where else you did hear that from?

Firstly it widely reported including JDW and MY local military magazine that the 211 ACV-300/Adnan that MY bought come in 10 variants and they are:

1) IFV with 25mm cannon Qty:31
2) IFV with 0.5HMG Qty:72
3) IFV with 40mm AGL Qty:13
4) With Bakhtar Shikan Qty:8
5) Mortar Carrier Qty:10
6) Command vehicle Qty:24
7) Signal Vehicle Qty: 13
8) Fitter Vehicle Qty: 7
9) Recovery Vehicle Qty: 8
10) Ambulance Vehicle Qty: 25

And here the link about MAF maintain by a Malaysian:

http://www.geocities.com/kbmyaf/TDM_Equip.htm

Go read up about MAF and it's weaponary, before commenting about other forces and weapons!!!:nutkick



First thing , all reports stated that BAKTAR SHIKAN max range is only 3km , not 4km.

2nd thing, any ATGM that can be fitted onto a light weight vehicle like Humvee etc can certainly be fitted onto a heavier and more roomier vehicle like a IFV etc.

So why some armies don't install ATGM onto their IFV?

The reason is simple, it all depends on their doctrine, you see modern armoured formation operate with IFV/APC and tanks together, these tanks in that formation is their AT capability, so having IFV installed with ATGM is duplication of role. That is why armies don't bother to have ATGM on their IFV.

Infantry formation on the other hand need ATGM because they don't have any tank.

So don't assume that some ATGM never install onto an IFV does not mean that it cannot be installed onto one!!!

BAKTAR SHIKAN is a 2nd generation ATGM, of course it is old as compare 3rd generation ATGM!!!

But I am not saying it is not lethal but it is not as capable as any 3rd generation ATGM, simple as that.

3rd generation ATGM has fire and forget mode ,usually has top attack and NLOS targetting, 2nd generation ATGM does not have any of that.



Why?

Our M113 Ultra already has armour upgrades, spall liner, 25mm RWS etc, how many IFV in SEA that actually better than our Ultra?

( Note : Go read about the extend of the upgrades from Jane)

In fact I believe that our Ultra with 25mm RWS is actually better than your Adnan with 25mm cannon in a Sharpshooter turret.

Sharpshooter turret on the right actually block the view of the commander from anything from the right, that is a flaw of the AIFV design.

Secondly the gunner of the 25mm RWS actually has better protection as he will be totally within the hull instead in a turret, the hull armour with spall liner etc will have better protection that the small Sharpshooter turret.

In fact, if we are to sell our current fleet of Ultra at a very low price, nations like Thailand , Indonesia , Philippines etc will want to buy, because none of them as anything better than our Ultra!!!

Therefore our Ultra is certainly not obsolete in the context of SEA, our BX is actually overkill in SEA!!!

As I said, BX will be replacing the Ultra in the IFV role in the frontline Div, if our Ultra is to be seconded to PDF, it can certainly still retain it's IFV role there as not many nation in SEA have better IFV than our Ultras!!

Ok i dont now why my link not working.....

I now about the ADNAN being equipped with the BAKHTAR SHIKAN from the local TEMPUR magazine.
Your link that you give me did you realise that it is stated that MY has 450 BAKHTAr shikan.

I think the only reason that it is stated that MY only has 8 equipped ADNAN with the BAKTAr SHIKAN because it is not being fitted yet.

If you think properly the BAKTAR SHIKAN is a heavy weapon[25 kg] and is mostly used on vehicles and is quite impposible to be used by infantries.


One more thing the one that you said about the range of the BAKTAR SHIKAN that can only go 3km.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baktar-Shikan

It is stated in WIKI and the TEMPUR magazine that the BAKTAR SHIKAN can go to a range of 4km!

Baktar shikan is quite same with the AMERICAN TOW missle.
Even the mighty CHINA is using the BAKTAR SHIKAN now.

You should now how easily it is to fit the baktar shikan to any kind of vehicles.

The BIONIX II being the kill in SEA.
very funnynfloorl:

Its never been proved in any kind of conflict......:
What is the prove that it is the best in SEA

 

[Transient]

15 yr old Paskal, you should find out the operational significance of having a dual mode fire-and-forget/fibre-optic fire and update missile like the Spike, as opposed to a SACLOS missile like the Baktar Shikan. Range is not everything, especially when in terrain with lots of vegetation. The SPIKE with its guidance doesn't need constant LOS to target between operator and target. The BS needs it, however. Find out how both guidance systems work, then think about it, the drawbacks as a result of a second generation SACLOS guidance system. I think (still no confirmation yet) you have a brain. If you do, use it.

 

[gary1910]

Ok i dont now why my link not working.....

I now about the ADNAN being equipped with the BAKHTAR SHIKAN from the local TEMPUR magazine.
Your link that you give me did you realise that it is stated that MY has 450 BAKHTAr shikan.

I think the only reason that it is stated that MY only has 8 equipped ADNAN with the BAKTAr SHIKAN because it is not being fitted yet.

If you think properly the BAKTAR SHIKAN is a heavy weapon[25 kg] and is mostly used on vehicles and is quite impposible to be used by infantries.


One more thing the one that you said about the range of the BAKTAR SHIKAN that can only go 3km.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baktar-Shikan

It is stated in WIKI and the TEMPUR magazine that the BAKTAR SHIKAN can go to a range of 4km!

Baktar shikan is quite same with the AMERICAN TOW missle.
Even the mighty CHINA is using the BAKTAR SHIKAN now.

You should now how easily it is to fit the baktar shikan to any kind of vehicles.

The BIONIX II being the kill in SEA.
very funnynfloorl:

Its never been proved in any kind of conflict......:
What is the prove that it is the best in SEA

You got your factsall up side down!!!nfloorl:

BAKTAR SHIKAN is actually the licensed production of the Chinese HJ-8 or Hong Jian 8 or simply means Red Arrow 8.

So it is a Chinese ATGM and not Pakistani!!!!

Pakistan started licensed production either in late 80s or early 90s and called the HJ-8 as BAKTAR SHIKAN.

At that time , it is the early version missile which has max range of 3km.

Later in the mid 90s, the Chinese developed the HJ-8E version which has max range of 4km, so did the Chinese allow the Pakistani to produced this version?

There is no report that said it is.

In fact , the link that I have provided on the orbat of MY also stated that it's max range is 3.2km:

http://kbmyaf.co.nr/TDM.htm

Here more info on HJ-8:
http://www.sinodefence.com/army/crewserved/hj8.asp

And yes, there is report that MY bought abt 450 unit of BAKHTAR SHIKAN or BS for short, but is it 450 launchers or 450 missiles?

Based on the small army of MAF and it's procurement history, it is more likely to be 450 missiles, not launchers.

Whatever it is, I already shown you that Adnan for MY come in 10 variants where only 8 are with BS which does not come with turret, so are you telling everyone here that MAF will eventually removed all the turrets and converted all the Adnan to ATGM version???nfloorl:

So don't continue with the line that all Adnan will be equipped with BS because of your own ignorance about your own MAFas I have already shown you the proof plus the pictures of the various variants in the link I have provided.

BXII is overkill, tell me which IFV in SEA has:
1) composite armour
2) fully stabilised turret
3) 30mm cannon
4) FCS with Thermal imaging
5) BMS

When you find one IFV in SEA that have all the above then we talk.

 

[paskal]

http://www.geocities.com/kbmyaf/TDM_Equip.htm

You gonna be kiddin me by saying that it is only the missles
You can see the METIS at the same forum listing its quantities and the missles quantity while the BAKHTAR SHIKAN only written its quantity...

In the TEMPUR book it is written that the BAKHTAR SHIKAN and the ANZA that malaysia bought cost around RM 440 million$
Hers on that i see is the nearest to it....

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_4.shtml

So its not logic that malaysia only bought 8 of it......
About the range if read it properly and its said in WIKI that it can go to a range of 4km but can only be in its best form in 3 km range

LOgically why would malaysia buy 8 and tell the news and malaysian citizens about it.......

No disrespect but about the BIONIX II the armour is kind of classified well thats what it is stated in WIKI though.....

About the BMS some of the malaysian condor and ADNAN have been fitted with it....
IT is a local company called SCS[system consultancy services] that created this system including the Malaysian made NYAMUK UAV for ground troops.
Sorry dude but i got this information from the TEMPUR book octobet edition

I was kind of attracted when WIKI said that the BIONIX II armour is classified!
can you please tell me more about the BIONIX II armour

 

[gary1910]

http://www.geocities.com/kbmyaf/TDM_Equip.htm

You gonna be kiddin me by saying that it is only the missles
You can see the METIS at the same forum listing its quantities and the missles quantity while the BAKHTAR SHIKAN only written its quantity...

In the TEMPUR book it is written that the BAKHTAR SHIKAN and the ANZA that malaysia bought cost around RM 440 million$
Hers on that i see is the nearest to it....

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_4.shtml

So its not logic that malaysia only bought 8 of it......
About the range if read it properly and its said in WIKI that it can go to a range of 4km but can only be in its best form in 3 km range

LOgically why would malaysia buy 8 and tell the news and malaysian citizens about it.......

kidding you?!?
You have been saying that for don't know how many times here, time and time again you are proven wrong due to your lack of knowledge about MAF and it's weaponary.

You don't even know that ACV-300 is actually a upgraded M113, and that the 211 Adnan actually come in 10 variants etc.

Since you have given the actual cost of the BS ATGM purchase, I now know for sure it is 450 missiles!

RM440mil comes to about USD116mil, so with 450 BS missiles plus a small number of launchers and plus 500 Anza II missiles and small number of it's launcher sound about right at that price.

2ndly, MAF only have and I quote from the link I provided earliar

:12 brigades with about 34 infantry battalions in the MA inclusive of the Paratroop Brigade

And if it is 450 launcher as you suggested then 1 Bn will have abt 13 BS launchers?!?

I don't think that even the US army has so many ATGM launcher in one infantry Bn!!!

So far only 8 launchers are supposed to be installed onto Adnan, which was displayed during MY NDP, so if there were 450 launchers , some should be installed on G-Wagen, landrover etc, so where are they?

Why is it not displayed during the NDP?

Is it because that there is no 450 launchers!!!

No disrespect but about the BIONIX II the armour is kind of classified well thats what it is stated in WIKI though.....

About the BMS some of the malaysian condor and ADNAN have been fitted with it....
IT is a local company called SCS[system consultancy services] that created this system including the Malaysian made NYAMUK UAV for ground troops.
Sorry dude but i got this information from the TEMPUR book octobet edition

I was kind of attracted when WIKI said that the BIONIX II armour is classified!
can you please tell me more about the BIONIX II armour

Since it is classified, that means no one outside should know!!!

One thing , BX is I believe is the heaviest IFV in SEA about 22~23 tons, that means it has a lot of heavy armour which also means that it is most well protected IFV in SEA, plus the fact it has a fully stablised 30mm cannon with thermal imaging etc. No IFV is SEA can match that, so when I said it is overkill, I am not certainly not exaggerating it!

As for NYAMUK UAV with the Condor etc, it seem that they are using those platform as a mean to operate the UAV and gathering info from the UAV, does not sound like BMS.

Anyway NCW just not consist only with UAV but very much more, SAF has been working on it for more than 7 years, there is a lot more, first need to develop a secure wireless network plus all the mobile Sat Comm stations, then you need to develop various system that all your units down the level of individual vehicle , squad, various sensors etc to be connected to the same network, then you need to intergrated the whole army , airforce and even navy to work togther seamless in that same network.

A lot of R&D and money to develop them, MY with their limited budget and expertise, will not able to develop such NCW army within a decade, most possibly longer.

 

[SGMilitary]

Dear Gary,

I totally agreed with you.

There are so much secrecy of the actual capabilities of SAF weapons

platforms.

They are indeed classified.

I've read an article in one of the defence website that states that SAF

actually procured 6 G550 for RSAF use.

4 are configured as CAEW while I'm unsure about the other two.

I wont be surprised that the other two G550 will be PILOTLESS.

Boeing reported in its website that the G550 can be configured as unmanned

aerial platform platform.

In an interview with AVIATION news, RSAF CAF mentioned that we may

replace Fokker 50 MPA.

It will be good it they procured P8A poseidon.

I've read a journal from SAF pointers enforcing the SAF 3G focus is to

develop long range interdiction strike capabilities of the entire force that

includes The Army, RSAF and RSN.

More advanced and capable weapons platforms will be procured over the

5-6 years time.

Does anyone have any updated weapon acquisition developments?

Thanks and regards.