FutureTank
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FutureTank
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Apparently Comanche program is not dead. There was another source (uncredited and not authoritative) that suggested the larger version with a capability to carry a SF team is a possibility (so a Hind-like?) for SO command foe use by all services after the Afghanistan experience. Blackhawks are just too large and lack adequate protection.Pretty good for an all digital sequence...
the comanche carries all its weapons insode the body......and the payload is comparatively less due to its slick shape.
it can be used effectively in covert aoperations and small wars.....but not for major wars i think
if they decide to make room for troops as well then tht will ruin the stealth characteristics as well wouldn't it?????
FutureTank
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Yes, I also pointed this out. However the 'informer' had nothing to offer. Apparently it is only being looked at as a SOF platform, and the internal volume would be somewhat enlarged for a typical 4-man team. It seems it would be 'stealth' in and out of the LZ, but obviously fairly non-stealth when there. Will only have a .50cal weapon for suppression and flares. It didn't make much sense to me I have to say. There are always design-salvaging going on in the US, and I don't blame them for the amount of money invested in the program.
today's news
following defence ministers visit to moscow, a new deal of 342 t-90s was signed, which would make a total of 1650 t-90s in the indian army......this should be thefinal nail in arjun mbt's cofin.
however there is 1 good news ,
the pak-fa deal for a fifth gen. stealth fighter was signed and finalised.the engineers from sukhoi and hal have put forth the requirements of their respective forces and work will commence soon
hey guys ,
there was another news,a survey sort of,
if u use bad words regularly in office it helps team spirit and co-operation ,coz it helps to represent feeling more effectively
maybe we should do it too
following defence ministers visit to moscow, a new deal of 342 t-90s was signed, which would make a total of 1650 t-90s in the indian army......this should be thefinal nail in arjun mbt's cofin.
however there is 1 good news ,
the pak-fa deal for a fifth gen. stealth fighter was signed and finalised.the engineers from sukhoi and hal have put forth the requirements of their respective forces and work will commence soon
hey guys ,
there was another news,a survey sort of,
if u use bad words regularly in office it helps team spirit and co-operation ,coz it helps to represent feeling more effectively
maybe we should do it too
1650, my my, that is with the upgraded T-72, so no love for arjun, still 120++ should give some cause for developmen, as it is for the next version of arjun DRDO will have plenty of time these tanks are not going anywhere for the next 20 years.
By the way, when your on the field or in a workshop as opposed to a office cube, there is no such thing as "good language - bad language".
By the way, when your on the field or in a workshop as opposed to a office cube, there is no such thing as "good language - bad language".
yea,
there will 1650 t-90s by 2009-10 and if need arises more may be purchased,
also 300-500 t-72 will be upgraded to c.i.ajeya status while the older t-72 and t-55 and vijayanta are being phased out....s by 2009 indian army will have a fairly modern armoured core.
if i were to take a guess we might be purchsing more russian tanks in near future bcoz even now a considerable part of 3800 units need to be upgraded or replaced
The army want an attack aviation wing,
ha ha "Indian Army- Air Force"
nfloorl: What be next o great generals, "indian army - navy", or "Indian army - cost guards"
It will not be a bad idea to attach some Air Force Attack Helicopters and pilots with the Army Aviation Corps, to simplify the issue, having attack helicopters with the army is also not a bad idea, "air support when you want it where you want it".
Fixed wing attack aircrafts is just not good use of money.
There should be more emphasis on using our new military friendship with the daddy of making war "USA", to learn a few things about coordination between land forces and air forces, and a few exercises involving air forces providing air support while taking care of enemy AF.
May be yearly excercises specifically dealing with the issue.
This sounds more like a disagreement on the definition of air support.
Might be better resolved through discussion and definition of what the army wants and what resources the airforce has/has-to-acquire to specifically deal with the needs.
Source: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...n_air_force_IAF_fumes/articleshow/2468744.cms
What i can understand from the newspaper and TV is:
The army wants a attack air wing so that they have greater command over calling in air support, so its essentially a airforce element with the army? goes to show a strong weak point in the Indian military forces, which has to be resolved, it has come out in the open which is a good thing i suppose, as it can now be resolved.
Has there been similar situations in other Land Forces, in any other nation?
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i actaully agree with the army on this one actually,The army want an attack aviation wing,ha ha "Indian Army- Air Force"
What be next o great generals, "indian army - navy", or "Indian army - cost guards"
This sounds more like a disagreement on the definition of air support.
Might be better resolved through discussion and definition of what the army wants and what resources the airforce has/has-to-acquire to specifically deal with the needs.
Source: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...n_air_force_IAF_fumes/articleshow/2468744.cms
What i can understand from the newspaper and TV is:
The army wants a attack air wing so that they have greater command over calling in air support, so its essentially a airforce element with the army? goes to show a strong weak point in the Indian military forces, which has to be resolved, it has come out in the open which is a good thing i suppose, as it can now be resolved.
Has there been similar situations in other Land Forces, in any other nation?
during the kargil conflict the indian air force had to divide its attention between providing cover and recon missions for the army and keeping the pak -air force at bay(the main role)
so tht might have hampered its ability to provide close cover .
also the existing air force attack helicopters were sitting ducks at tht altitude,so they were not used to the max.
even the jaguar and mig 27 squadrons had work continuously to provide air cover , bomb targets and also fly recon missions.
so i think it would be a good idea if the IA has its own air arm to provide aircover at critical timing
i think very few nations will hav such problems as very few nations hav an army tht is this big in sheer numbers
-Sepecat Jaguar and MiG-27 never provided air cover during Kargil, Mirage 2000 wand MiG-29 were responsible for that role.
-The air force did a lot of bombing during Kargil mostly targeting prominent (that is to say large in size) targets like supply infrastructure; however a lot of bombing was aimed at enemy positions.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/History/Kargil/Shenag.html
- The Indian military will never be able to use high precision ammunition delivered from air as Arial artillery as they cost a lot of bucks, so like in Kargil they will be used selectively.
- I think attack helicopters which can operate at higher altitudes and have a comprehensive counter measure suite are required by the army and will be provided.
- However fixed wing air crafts are not a good idea. The air force has a lot of duties, one of them is to provide air support to the army, if there is a lack of aircrafts/equipments to deal with that it should be dealt with.
- More importantly they should be used to working together, that is to say more exercises with each other.
-from the article in my last post it looks like the problem is that both services define air support differently, hence they have to come to a similar definition, that both the forces can operate with, in a conflict.
oh im sorry , i wrote the air cover thing by mistake .
and ur right abt the choppers as well,
by the way what do u think about the light combat helicopter think the IA is going after?
its supposed to be a devoted attack heli. and also fill the gaps left by the mil series i.e high altitude missons and lower heat signature
HAPPY DASHERA TO ALL!!!!!
happy dushhera and the win over aussies to you too,
i think there is some sort of cap on posts before posting links :unknown
From 2000 on there have not been much delays in weapon/equipment projects, as a lot of foreign help and joint ventures have been sought, in all probability what ever difficulties are encountered will be met by active cooperation, so the LCH should be completed soon.
I do not know anything about the project, they are working on the proto-type might start by 2008, and most certainly will be a lot different from the mock ups which we have seen, the final production version might incorporate some more changes over the prototype.
only when the prototype production is complete, will we know something about the performance and how it looks, after that the scope for Indian army and air force will come up, now is too early to say anything about the project.
there is already a thread about the LCH here in defence talk.
http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=792
There is a picture gallery of the mock up at bharat rakshak
http://media.bharat-rakshak.com/aero/main.php?g2_itemId=2940
i think there is some sort of cap on posts before posting links :unknown
From 2000 on there have not been much delays in weapon/equipment projects, as a lot of foreign help and joint ventures have been sought, in all probability what ever difficulties are encountered will be met by active cooperation, so the LCH should be completed soon.
I do not know anything about the project, they are working on the proto-type might start by 2008, and most certainly will be a lot different from the mock ups which we have seen, the final production version might incorporate some more changes over the prototype.
only when the prototype production is complete, will we know something about the performance and how it looks, after that the scope for Indian army and air force will come up, now is too early to say anything about the project.
there is already a thread about the LCH here in defence talk.
http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=792
There is a picture gallery of the mock up at bharat rakshak
http://media.bharat-rakshak.com/aero/main.php?g2_itemId=2940
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Rs 17,000 cr army chopper deal scrapped
"Getting it right the first time."
No one seems to bother about this, they make a huge noise about how the army needs to acquire these new equipments to remain a effective force, and somehow simultaneously screw another procuremen deal.
And once you have accused Eurocopter for "deviating from approved parameters" after you shortlist them, does that not remove them from yet another long drawn procurement process for the same equipment (well it should).
This would be just about the right time they get it right, otherwise kiss the modernization bye bye, as by the time they procure something it will already be outdated.
http://www.rediff.com/news/2007/dec/06chopper.htm
"Getting it right the first time."
No one seems to bother about this, they make a huge noise about how the army needs to acquire these new equipments to remain a effective force, and somehow simultaneously screw another procuremen deal.
And once you have accused Eurocopter for "deviating from approved parameters" after you shortlist them, does that not remove them from yet another long drawn procurement process for the same equipment (well it should).
This would be just about the right time they get it right, otherwise kiss the modernization bye bye, as by the time they procure something it will already be outdated.
niteshkjain
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indian missile program scrapped
happy new year guys
may be gurus will say this is not the appropriate thread to discuss, but I feel this is a relevant post for any indian thread.
just see this link
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/newsrf.php?newsid=9778
New Delhi, Jan 08: India today announced scrapping of the country`s strategic integrated guided missile programme, and said the development and production of most of futuristic weapons systems would henceforth be undertaken with foreign collobration.
However, longer range missiles, under-sea launched missiles and furturistic weapons systems like electronic counter-warfare measures would be "undertaken in-house", said one of the country`s top defence scientists Dr S Prahlada.
He said "closure" of the Integrated Development of Guided Missile Programme(IDGMP) had been done as manufacture of the most of the missiles to be developed under the project had been almost completed and inducted into the armed forces.
"Unlike post-Pokhran, when doors to technology transfers were closed on us", now doors of frontline armament technology transfer are now open", he said.
"New missile and weapons systems will be developed within a five-year time frame at low costs, with foreign partners and private industries" Prahalda, Chief Controller at DRDO headquarters, said.
The first of such ventures, Prahalda said, would be development of quick reaction missiles to counter threats from low-flying missiles and fighters and Astra, India first bid to develop a beyond-visual range air-to-air missile.
While India would be collobrating with Israel for development of surface-to-air upgraded spyder missiles, for Astra, New Delhi has roped in French and Russian collobrators.
happy new year guys
may be gurus will say this is not the appropriate thread to discuss, but I feel this is a relevant post for any indian thread.
just see this link
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/newsrf.php?newsid=9778
New Delhi, Jan 08: India today announced scrapping of the country`s strategic integrated guided missile programme, and said the development and production of most of futuristic weapons systems would henceforth be undertaken with foreign collobration.
However, longer range missiles, under-sea launched missiles and furturistic weapons systems like electronic counter-warfare measures would be "undertaken in-house", said one of the country`s top defence scientists Dr S Prahlada.
He said "closure" of the Integrated Development of Guided Missile Programme(IDGMP) had been done as manufacture of the most of the missiles to be developed under the project had been almost completed and inducted into the armed forces.
"Unlike post-Pokhran, when doors to technology transfers were closed on us", now doors of frontline armament technology transfer are now open", he said.
"New missile and weapons systems will be developed within a five-year time frame at low costs, with foreign partners and private industries" Prahalda, Chief Controller at DRDO headquarters, said.
The first of such ventures, Prahalda said, would be development of quick reaction missiles to counter threats from low-flying missiles and fighters and Astra, India first bid to develop a beyond-visual range air-to-air missile.
While India would be collobrating with Israel for development of surface-to-air upgraded spyder missiles, for Astra, New Delhi has roped in French and Russian collobrators.
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hey guys,great news here ,indian army is to develop a long range multi barrel rocket launcher system as a followup to the pinaka multi barrel rocket launcher ,this system will have a range of 120kms.
here is the link and the article:
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2005/09/18/stories/2005091800620500.htm
Defence scientists plan artillery rockets with 100-km range
Our Bureau
Hyderabad , Sept. 17
DEFENCE scientists are firming up plans to develop, precision-guided, long-range artillery rockets (100-120 km), which will give the Indian Army more firepower.
At present the country's Multi Barrel Rocket System (MBRS) `Pinaka' has a range of 40 km.
The Russians are offering rockets with range of 70 km, while the US has about 40-50 km, according to Dr A.S. Rajagopal, Director of the Pune-based Armaments Research Development Establishment (ARDE).
The ARDE will be the co-ordinating project leader for the proposed national initiative. The long-range rockets would also carry warhead to give it the lethality, Dr Rajagopal told Business Line from Pune.
MBRS are considered unsurpassable weapons of tactical advantage by the artillery in terms of firepower, manoeuvrability and element of surprise. However, the range and accuracy of these rockets are undergoing changes worldwide, with the growth in materials, electronics, propulsion, warhead and IT.
As a run up to the project, the ARDE organised a `brainstorming' meeting on Wednesday in Pune. The topic was aerodynamic and ballistics aspects in design of spinning long range unguided rockets.
Experts from the Defence Research & Development Organisation laboratories, Vikram Sarabhai Space Centre, Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore and Indian Institute of Technology participated.
The meeting deliberated on preparing a road map. Experts also suggested problem areas, suggested which institutes could make specific contributions and sharing of tasks. Dr Rajagopal said the project was expected to be ready in the next few months. "By the end of the 12th Plan period, we should be able to offer the rocket to the army. Already the technology is available for propulsion, guidance etc," the ARDE Chief said.
here is the link and the article:
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2005/09/18/stories/2005091800620500.htm
Defence scientists plan artillery rockets with 100-km range
Our Bureau
Hyderabad , Sept. 17
DEFENCE scientists are firming up plans to develop, precision-guided, long-range artillery rockets (100-120 km), which will give the Indian Army more firepower.
At present the country's Multi Barrel Rocket System (MBRS) `Pinaka' has a range of 40 km.
The Russians are offering rockets with range of 70 km, while the US has about 40-50 km, according to Dr A.S. Rajagopal, Director of the Pune-based Armaments Research Development Establishment (ARDE).
The ARDE will be the co-ordinating project leader for the proposed national initiative. The long-range rockets would also carry warhead to give it the lethality, Dr Rajagopal told Business Line from Pune.
MBRS are considered unsurpassable weapons of tactical advantage by the artillery in terms of firepower, manoeuvrability and element of surprise. However, the range and accuracy of these rockets are undergoing changes worldwide, with the growth in materials, electronics, propulsion, warhead and IT.
As a run up to the project, the ARDE organised a `brainstorming' meeting on Wednesday in Pune. The topic was aerodynamic and ballistics aspects in design of spinning long range unguided rockets.
Experts from the Defence Research & Development Organisation laboratories, Vikram Sarabhai Space Centre, Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore and Indian Institute of Technology participated.
The meeting deliberated on preparing a road map. Experts also suggested problem areas, suggested which institutes could make specific contributions and sharing of tasks. Dr Rajagopal said the project was expected to be ready in the next few months. "By the end of the 12th Plan period, we should be able to offer the rocket to the army. Already the technology is available for propulsion, guidance etc," the ARDE Chief said.
Aliph Ahmed
Banned Member
Russia plays spoilsport in T-90S tank deal
Russia plays spoilsport in T-90S tank deal
16 Feb 2008, 0001 hrs IST,Rajat Pandit,TN
NEW DELHI: As if the huge cost escalations and time overruns in several defence projects was not enough, Russia is now putting some roadblocks in India's plan to indigenously manufacture 1,000 T-90S main-battle tanks.
Russia is refusing transfer of technology (ToT) in a couple of critical areas - like the metallurgy for gun barrels, ordnance and armour plates - for the manufacture of T-90S tanks at the Heavy Vehicles Factory at Avadi.
India, on its part, has taken up the matter with the Russian government.
"The Russians say the ToT in the two areas is restricted by their laws. While we are asking them to give it, we are also developing our own metallurgy for gun barrels and armour plates," said Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) chairman Sudipta Gosh on Friday.
Wrangling over the delay in ToT apart, OFB seems quite confident of soon achieving the planned production target of 100 T-90S tanks per year.
"This year, we will hand over five indigenously produced T-90S tanks to the Army, followed by 50 next year and probably 100 the year after that," said Ghosh.
It's not as if Russia has not minted money on the huge T-90S contracts. Having already imported 310 T-90S tanks for over Rs 3,625 crore under a February 2001 contract, India signed another big contract for importing another 347 tanks with Russia in November last year for around Rs 4,900 crore.
These 657 tanks are in addition to the plan for licensed manufacture of the 1,000 tanks at Avadi under ToT. Overall, the Army wants around 3,800 potent tanks for the requisite 'speed and shock effect' on the western front with Pakistan.
The 1,657 T-90S 'Bhisma' tanks - 310 of them have already been inducted in the Army's 2 (Ambala) and 21 (Bhopal) 'strike' corps - will constitute the core of the self-contained and highly-mobile 'battle groups' for blitzkrieg thrusts across the border.
The rest of the armoured strength will be made up by upgraded T-72 M1 'Ajeya' tanks, the main backbone of India's armoured might, apart of course from 124 indigenous 'Arjun' tanks. The 1,657 T-90S tanks will gradually replace the older T-55 and T-72 tanks being phased out.
With both conventional armour-plating and 'explosive reactive armour', the T-90S tanks can fire a wide array of missiles and laser-guided weapons. The tank in themselves are quite potent but that cannot detract from the fact that there is now a distinct 'chill' in the defence relationship with Russia.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Russia_plays_spoilsport_in_T-90S_tank_deal/articleshow/2786546.cms
Russia is refusing transfer of technology in the field of metallurgy for gun barrels, and ordnance and armour plates despite India asking for it because the fact is that as of today, India dont have this technolgy.
Russia plays spoilsport in T-90S tank deal
16 Feb 2008, 0001 hrs IST,Rajat Pandit,TN
NEW DELHI: As if the huge cost escalations and time overruns in several defence projects was not enough, Russia is now putting some roadblocks in India's plan to indigenously manufacture 1,000 T-90S main-battle tanks.
Russia is refusing transfer of technology (ToT) in a couple of critical areas - like the metallurgy for gun barrels, ordnance and armour plates - for the manufacture of T-90S tanks at the Heavy Vehicles Factory at Avadi.
India, on its part, has taken up the matter with the Russian government.
"The Russians say the ToT in the two areas is restricted by their laws. While we are asking them to give it, we are also developing our own metallurgy for gun barrels and armour plates," said Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) chairman Sudipta Gosh on Friday.
Wrangling over the delay in ToT apart, OFB seems quite confident of soon achieving the planned production target of 100 T-90S tanks per year.
"This year, we will hand over five indigenously produced T-90S tanks to the Army, followed by 50 next year and probably 100 the year after that," said Ghosh.
It's not as if Russia has not minted money on the huge T-90S contracts. Having already imported 310 T-90S tanks for over Rs 3,625 crore under a February 2001 contract, India signed another big contract for importing another 347 tanks with Russia in November last year for around Rs 4,900 crore.
These 657 tanks are in addition to the plan for licensed manufacture of the 1,000 tanks at Avadi under ToT. Overall, the Army wants around 3,800 potent tanks for the requisite 'speed and shock effect' on the western front with Pakistan.
The 1,657 T-90S 'Bhisma' tanks - 310 of them have already been inducted in the Army's 2 (Ambala) and 21 (Bhopal) 'strike' corps - will constitute the core of the self-contained and highly-mobile 'battle groups' for blitzkrieg thrusts across the border.
The rest of the armoured strength will be made up by upgraded T-72 M1 'Ajeya' tanks, the main backbone of India's armoured might, apart of course from 124 indigenous 'Arjun' tanks. The 1,657 T-90S tanks will gradually replace the older T-55 and T-72 tanks being phased out.
With both conventional armour-plating and 'explosive reactive armour', the T-90S tanks can fire a wide array of missiles and laser-guided weapons. The tank in themselves are quite potent but that cannot detract from the fact that there is now a distinct 'chill' in the defence relationship with Russia.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Russia_plays_spoilsport_in_T-90S_tank_deal/articleshow/2786546.cms
Russia is refusing transfer of technology in the field of metallurgy for gun barrels, and ordnance and armour plates despite India asking for it because the fact is that as of today, India dont have this technolgy.