Can singapore hold its own?

[riksavage]

Red – Let Me clarify a few points reference my earlier post, particularly in relation to Risk Tolerance –

Back in 2002 following the arrest of suspected terrorist sympathizers in Singapore we conducted a survey amongst our key multinational clients. They made it VERY CLEAR they would withdraw senior expatriate personnel from key positions if a terrorist attack took place in Singapore. Should a terrorist campaign run for an extended period of time they would also consider relocating their regional offices to HK or Aus. This would have a severe impact upon the economy of Singapore, the same way it would have a severe impact upon any other international city.

We conducted the same survey following the Bali and Australian Embassy bombings in Indonesia. The response there was far less ‘knee jerk’, due to the fact that the majority we spoke to had adapted over time to the continued and ever present threat of terrorism. As simple matter of conditioning, they had subconsciously become far more risk tolerant.

Singapore, unlike Indonesia, is a regional hub for multinational companies, particularly in Oil & Gas, Investment Banking and the IT sector. You remove the ability for these entities to function in a safe and secure way (terrorism or war) and they will relocate to a safer location such as Hong Kong, which offers the same advantages (excellent infrastructure, low taxation, law and order).

Your comment about Israel is irrelevant; Israel is NOT a regional hub for the Middle East, like Singapore is a regional hub for Asia.

 

[Chino]

Wars do not happen overnight nor preparations for wars. You will know about it. Especially neighbours. And in this age.

Did I say "overnight"? Did I say no warning?

i said "least" as in - compared to a Roayl Navy sailing towards Falklands - get it?

 

[paskal]

Firstly, I doubt your a Singaporean. If you have undergone your compulsory military training, you would not write something like this. Secondly, your contention is devoid of any military basis or even a political one. Right, they will (all) swim to Singapore to die because they have nothing to lose since thay are living in abject poverty.

And I question the basis of bringing up a topic from one year ago. Are you that Paskal fella out to do mischief again?

wtf......thats is not even close to me!
back to the topic...
i think singapore can hold its motherland but she willl be hit heavily if she was attack first.
indonesian got a population of around 240 million if not mistaken..
and got around 38 million citizens fit for military service..
http://www.mapzones.com/world/asia/indonesia/defenceindex.php
so i dont think an invasion can occur
the only way singapore can survive is by having close allies WITH THEM!

 

[Aussie Digger]

wtf......thats is not even close to me!
back to the topic...
i think singapore can hold its motherland but she willl be hit heavily if she was attack first.
indonesian got a population of around 240 million if not mistaken..
and got around 38 million citizens fit for military service..
http://www.mapzones.com/world/asia/indonesia/defenceindex.php
so i dont think an invasion can occur
the only way singapore can survive is by having close allies WITH THEM!

Again, what does having a large population have to do with projecting the kind of forces you need for an invasion?

You are trying to bring the topic back to that stupid human wave idea.

I wouldn't if I were you. You've already been warned about ignoring mod warnings.

 

[paskal]

Again, what does having a large population have to do with projecting the kind of forces you need for an invasion?

You are trying to bring the topic back to that stupid human wave idea.

I wouldn't if I were you. You've already been warned about ignoring mod warnings.

no disrespect dude
but im saying if singapore wana strike back by using ground forces i dont think they are capable of doing that.....
the only way they can succesfully strike back is by using their mighty air power

 

[Aussie Digger]

no disrespect dude
but im saying if singapore wana strike back by using ground forces i dont think they are capable of doing that.....
the only way they can succesfully strike back is by using their mighty air power

I think you might not be paying attention to the ways forces actually fight these days.

Modern "first world" forces anyway. The hallmark is "Jointness". Perhaps you could research that, understand what it means and then reconsider your earlier comments?

 

[us rules]

is singapore the small country in asia?
why should they fight with malaysia or indonesia?
they should be allies right

 

[gary1910]

Some people dun realise the importance of air superiority in modern warfare.

During GW1, the allies' airstrikes alone decimated a large portion of Iraqi army and airforce and totally destroyed their navy, way before the ground war started.

 

[levathan]

Some people dun realise the importance of air superiority in modern warfare.

During GW1, the allies' airstrikes alone decimated a large portion of Iraqi army and airforce and totally destroyed their navy, way before the ground war started.

Yeah, agree with you, i remember reading somewhere that iraq had a 1 million strong army then which is the 4th largest in the world and many analysts were worried about casualties for the aillies. And we know what happened next

 

[paskal]

Some people dun realise the importance of air superiority in modern warfare.

During GW1, the allies' airstrikes alone decimated a large portion of Iraqi army and airforce and totally destroyed their navy, way before the ground war started.

yes of course during the iraq war the iraqis got their ass whoop by american air force and their allies....
but as what im saying singapore doesnt have that much fighters as the us does

 

[levathan]

yes of course during the iraq war the iraqis got their ass whoop by american air force and their allies....
but as what im saying singapore doesnt have that much fighters as the us does

Hi paskal, if i'm not wrong Singapore has more aircraft than Indonesia and Malaysia combined and both Malaysia and Indonesia do not have a one million strong army like Iraq back then so any potential war will probably follow the GW "model".

 

[Transient]

Paskal, time to do your homework. List out what air defense assets Malaysia has, and how many?

 

[paskal]

Hi paskal, if i'm not wrong Singapore has more aircraft than Indonesia and Malaysia combined and both Malaysia and Indonesia do not have a one million strong army like Iraq back then so any potential war will probably follow the GW "model".

whats wrong with you i never said anything about malaysia having more aircraft than singapore....
i think you got me wrong i said us tahat mean the united states of america has more aircraft than singapore thats why they can conquer iraq easinly....
america...15000 aircraft not included stealth bombers....singapore 110+
i think its my fault writing us but what i mean by that is united states of america dude
thats what i mean:vamp

 

[battlensign]

What the...?

In respect of the Singaporean strategic outlook I think that they have assessed their situation well and are equipping accordingly. It is manifestly apparent that an Air strategy is required primarily, followed by the Navy and then the Army. The levels of jointedness are impressive and they seem to have all the right kit. The only real threats to singapore would seem to be proper Airforces from Malaysia and Indonesia (which are not really a problem at the moment) and the ever present dangers of cruise missiles. The SAF seems to maintain both an overwhelming qualitative, and quantitative edge over potential adversaries.

Are any other Australians concerned that the Singaporean defence forces seem to be leading the way in regional force capabilities......? (AEW, SPA, Combat Aircraft, Leopards [2A4] etc). I understand the rationale as to why they have it, but why are they doing it first?

Brett.

 

[Ozzy Blizzard]

Are any other Australians concerned that the Singaporean defence forces seem to be leading the way in regional force capabilities......? (AEW, SPA, Combat Aircraft, Leopards [2A4] etc). I understand the rationale as to why they have it, but why are they doing it first?

Brett.

Not personally mate. The fact is that they have absoloutly no expeditionary capability, so i dont think their a threat to anyone beyonde their own airspace and close neighbors. As far as "doing it first", AEW and armour may have been pecrued first, but look at the quality. I'd take MESA over an E2 or Gulf stream AEW (ERIEYE i think?) any day.

Anyways they have to have a significant qualitative & quantitative advantage over any threat in the region. The only other regional body with the funding to match (or exceed) is the RAAF. However ROSAF doesent have any strategic depth, but we have, arguably, more than anyone else on the planet. Therefore its imperative that ROSDF are first to have the capability in the region, were we can take our time and choose the best capability for our orbat. We have the "tyranny of distance" on our side, ROSDF have a km or 2. So i wouldnt get excited because they are first to get some individual capabilities.

 

[kato]

The fact is that they have absoloutly no expeditionary capability

Except for those four Endurance class 6000-ton small LPDs?

 

[battlensign]

I see your point, but no.....

Except for those four Endurance class 6000-ton small LPDs?

And exactly how much does that enable them to place in any given location? The capability to deploy in critical-mass strength? The capability to provide the follow-on support and logistics? I am thinking that they represent a limited capability.

Ozzy,

Fair enough. We do have the strategic depth and distances, and the quality of the systems is in our favour.......when we try. It just seems to me that we get the crappy deals because we just don't have a significant enough threat matrix to justify trying any harder - somewhat dissapointing.

Brett.

 

[storywolf]

Are any other Australians concerned that the Singaporean defence forces seem to be leading the way in regional force capabilities......? (AEW, SPA, Combat Aircraft, Leopards [2A4] etc). I understand the rationale as to why they have it, but why are they doing it first?

Brett.

Hi Brett,
The rationale as to why Singapore is doing it 1st - why ?

1 )First is you do not wait for rainy days then you worry about it, you prepare for it in advance.
2) Next a lot of this type of technology & knowledge take time to learn, master and buildup, with a lot of hands on, thus we need to start it now.
3) Singapore defense industry is more advance then the neighbouring countries - it show the result of our investment in techology development of our own or partnership with others.
4) The time is just right - like leopard 2A4 - it is selling at rock bottom price, a good grab . Also time things like AMX-13 and skyhawk are getting old, and time to replace as it will cost more maintenace, downtime and safety reason.

 

[levathan]

whats wrong with you i never said anything about malaysia having more aircraft than singapore....
i think you got me wrong i said us tahat mean the united states of america has more aircraft than singapore thats why they can conquer iraq easinly....
america...15000 aircraft not included stealth bombers....singapore 110+
i think its my fault writing us but what i mean by that is united states of america dude
thats what i mean:vamp

Hi Paskal, sorry my fault, think i didn't make myself clear in my post. What i'm trying to say is that because of the numbers, Singapore is likely to have the same level of air-superiority against Malaysia or Indonesia as the Allies had during GW1. That's why i expect any war to follow the GW model ie achieve total air superiority first then move in ground troops to achieve limited objectives (eg, Allies stop after liberating kuwait instead of conquering iraq).

 

[Red]

What makes you think the first attacks will come from the air? But yeah, it sounds rationale. Did you follow the Singapore`s recent investments in non-traditional warfare recently?