Can singapore hold its own?

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arkhan

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robsta83 said:
Not to mention as was often the case the British CO was a total moron, he wouldn't listen to his advisers, didn't place enough anti invasion devices on the beach as it would "demoralise the natives", real political appointee as near as I can figure, and he just assisted by r**ting it up, they could of fought on also, espescially with the gift of hindsight many of them would of to.
i think the real reason is mistakes in anticipating the japanese march towards singapore . the brits is guessing the japanese army, in the first phase will attack singapore bypassing peninsular malaysia using her navy so they place all the big guns in southern johore. instead the japanese landed on the beach east of kelantan and their army march using bycycle through singapore.

this link have the summary of the british mistakes in malaya and singapore
http://library.thinkquest.org/12405/15.htm .
 

LazerLordz

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Had Percival the gumption to draw the Japanese into a protracted urban war, they would have run out of supplies and the Brits could have forced a stalemate.
 

crusader91

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How will your forces get to the island?:eek: If you try amphib landings your LSTs will be sunk before they leave port. Even if you can insert Kopassus they will never be able to cripple the Singaporian AF. They have bases throughout the South Pacific sharing bases with several countries. Indonesia would have half a dozen enemies arrayed against her.
I think that indonesia does not have to use any lst or any military ships,their population is massive and they can just send countless people in many small boats to flood singapore and that is enough.Even bomb ammunitions can run dry.
 
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Aussie Digger

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I think that indonesia does not have to use any lst or any military ships,their population is massive and they can just send countless people in many small boats to flood singapore and that is enough.Even bomb ammunitions can run dry.
Indonesia doesn't have THAT many people, nor that many small boats for that matter.

You obviously have NO idea of the destructive power of an air-bursting 2000lbs class munition.

Stick to matters you are more qualified to talk about. Defence matters are obviously beyond your grasp.
 

crusader91

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Indonesia doesn't have THAT many people, nor that many small boats for that matter.

You obviously have NO idea of the destructive power of an air-bursting 2000lbs class munition.

Stick to matters you are more qualified to talk about. Defence matters are obviously beyond your grasp.
Logistic except weaponry for them is not a problem, they have vast land for agriculture and they have nothing to lose even if they die since they live in life of poverty. I am a singaporean and i know that we are trying to appease indonesia through humanitarian missions not because we are too rich to give free food and we FEAR them but not malaysia. We cannot fight indonesia...
Politics influence defence.As for small boats, it is possible to mobilise them since the country is huge and they have the materials to manufacture.All sorts of boats..... just like the russians in stalingrad..
 

Ramjetmissile

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Logistic except weaponry for them is not a problem, they have vast land for agriculture and they have nothing to lose even if they die since they live in life of poverty. I am a singaporean and i know that we are trying to appease indonesia through humanitarian missions not because we are too rich to give free food and we FEAR them but not malaysia. We cannot fight indonesia...
Politics influence defence.As for small boats, it is possible to mobilise them since the country is huge and they have the materials to manufacture.All sorts of boats..... just like the russians in stalingrad..
Aussie Digger is right.Defence matters are obviously beyond your grasp.


 

riksavage

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Singapore suffers from a lack of defense in depth, which means even the slightest ‘sniff’ of a coordinated attack from outside means she must strike first decisively, hence the heavy investment in the SAF.

Singapore could not sustain a protracted siege; they simply do not grow enough food and rely (currently) on fresh water being pumped from Malaysia.

The country’s entire economy is based on the fact it remains an attractive place for foreign investment, remove thus through a sustained terrorist campaign or missile strikes (similar to Hezbollah’s attacks on Israeli) and you will witness an economic collapse. Singapore maintains huge financial reserves, but this would drain away pretty quickly if investor confidence disappeared and multinationals moved their regional headquarters to Hong Kong or elsewhere.

Having spent many years here it would take a relatively small incident to cause a mass exodus of expatriates, risk tolerance is incredibly low when benchmarked against say the expatiate community in Jakarta, who are used to an ever changing threat level.
 

Red

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Logistic except weaponry for them is not a problem, they have vast land for agriculture and they have nothing to lose even if they die since they live in life of poverty. I am a singaporean and i know that we are trying to appease indonesia through humanitarian missions not because we are too rich to give free food and we FEAR them but not malaysia. We cannot fight indonesia...
Politics influence defence.As for small boats, it is possible to mobilise them since the country is huge and they have the materials to manufacture.All sorts of boats..... just like the russians in stalingrad..
Firstly, I doubt your a Singaporean. If you have undergone your compulsory military training, you would not write something like this. Secondly, your contention is devoid of any military basis or even a political one. Right, they will (all) swim to Singapore to die because they have nothing to lose since thay are living in abject poverty.

And I question the basis of bringing up a topic from one year ago. Are you that Paskal fella out to do mischief again?
 

Red

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Singapore could not sustain a protracted siege; they simply do not grow enough food and rely (currently) on fresh water being pumped from Malaysia.

The country’s entire economy is based on the fact it remains an attractive place for foreign investment, remove thus through a sustained terrorist campaign or missile strikes (similar to Hezbollah’s attacks on Israeli) and you will witness an economic collapse. Singapore maintains huge financial reserves, but this would drain away pretty quickly if investor confidence disappeared and multinationals moved their regional headquarters to Hong Kong or elsewhere.

Investors will not rush out in a mass exodus as you potray. Even Israel maintains a viable economy of sorts. The economy would not simply shut down because investments are not weighed simply on the threat of a potential terrorist strike but the company`s bottom-line; money to be made. Singaporeans have been living under the spectre of a terrorisk strike since September 11 but yet the current economy is booming; better than any of her immediate neighbours.

The hardest thing to do is to lay seige on an island-nation which has an arguably powerful navy and air-force. What are sea-corridors and air-corridors for? So long as these are maintained, food supply will be maintained.

And what are you talking about ? Singapore is reaching near self sufficiency in water supply through various means; Newater, De-salination, the water catchment areas, etc. That is why the current water agreement with Malaysia is allowed to lapse.

There are other reasons as well.

Having spent many years here it would take a relatively small incident to cause a mass exodus of expatriates, risk tolerance is incredibly low when benchmarked against say the expatiate community in Jakarta, who are used to an ever changing threat level.
Have you not contradicted yourself here? You had initially posited that investors will leave Singapore in a mass exodus due to terrorist strikes among other things. Now you`re saying the expatriates in Indonesia are not war-averse because thay have got used to the ever-changing threat level. I suppose the investors in Indonesia must have been mentally programmed so that they are different from the investors from elsewhere.

It is very easy to talk in generalities. But if you look are to insert realistic scenarios, they become less viable.
 

crusader91

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Firstly, I doubt your a Singaporean. If you have undergone your compulsory military training, you would not write something like this. Secondly, your contention is devoid of any military basis or even a political one. Right, they will (all) swim to Singapore to die because they have nothing to lose since thay are living in abject poverty.

And I question the basis of bringing up a topic from one year ago. Are you that Paskal fella out to do mischief again?
Sorry but i am a singaporean,want me to show you my birth certificate?? If i write something pessimistic, does that mean that i am a malaysian or foreingner?I am new to this forum and you are right,i have not gone to ns yet and maybe not see what you have already seen. Do read up on lky memoir...
 
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Aussie Digger

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Logistic except weaponry for them is not a problem, they have vast land for agriculture and they have nothing to lose even if they die since they live in life of poverty. I am a singaporean and i know that we are trying to appease indonesia through humanitarian missions not because we are too rich to give free food and we FEAR them but not malaysia. We cannot fight indonesia...
Politics influence defence.As for small boats, it is possible to mobilise them since the country is huge and they have the materials to manufacture.All sorts of boats..... just like the russians in stalingrad..
I don't see a "human wave" of Indonesians over-running Singapore by small boat anytime soon.

That idea is so ridiculous, I'm gonna end any further discussion of it right here. Any more posts on the idea will be deleted.
 

Chino

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Firstly, I doubt your a Singaporean. If you have undergone your compulsory military training, you would not write something like this.
What theory is this that just because a Singaporean has served in SAF, they would become clever about things military or otherwise? :D
 

Red

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What theory is this that just because a Singaporean has served in SAF, they would become clever about things military or otherwise?
Contextual. look at the post. this is not a theory. at any rate, the moderators have decided to close this discussion.
 

Red

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No they haven't - they just don't want the thread to be side-tracked by some ridiculous comments.
Yes. They have decided to close any further discussion as per Crusade`s arguments. That was what i meant and what i have been referring to. Otherwise, the `thread' would be closed. You are reading more into what i have written and if you continue down that line, you`ll sound ridiculous .
 

Chino

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Can we hold our own?

Actually, there's no definite answer to this question unless the threat is determined. Can we hold our own against whom and in what situation?

While we prepare for a myriad of different scenarios, our greatest concern remain our immediate neighbours. Wars happen between neighbours 90% of the time. Most countries can't quarrel or fight unless they are close enough to each other.

Furthermore, our neighbours are the only ones who can harm us with the least warning due to the proximity. While we are friends with Malaysia and Indonesia now, one can never count on anything to last. Nor can we depend on continued stability of friendly governments there.

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we are more than able to "hold our own" against Malaysia and/or Indonesia and cause them some serious damage, too.

But I think we really count on our allies to quickly come and sort things out and restore peace. It will not be in our interest to prolong war even if we are winning. Our goal should be to end it as quickly as possible without too much deaths and destruction as these leaves wounds that don't heal for generations.
 

Red

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Furthermore, our neighbours are the only ones who can harm us with the least warning due to the proximity.
Wars do not happen overnight nor preparations for wars. You will know about it. Especially neighbours. And in this age.
 

noob

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Can we hold our own?

Actually, there's no definite answer to this question unless the threat is determined. Can we hold our own against whom and in what situation?

While we prepare for a myriad of different scenarios, our greatest concern remain our immediate neighbours. Wars happen between neighbours 90% of the time. Most countries can't quarrel or fight unless they are close enough to each other.

Furthermore, our neighbours are the only ones who can harm us with the least warning due to the proximity. While we are friends with Malaysia and Indonesia now, one can never count on anything to last. Nor can we depend on continued stability of friendly governments there.

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we are more than able to "hold our own" against Malaysia and/or Indonesia and cause them some serious damage, too.

But I think we really count on our allies to quickly come and sort things out and restore peace. It will not be in our interest to prolong war even if we are winning. Our goal should be to end it as quickly as possible without too much deaths and destruction as these leaves wounds that don't heal for generations.
As I agree to the above fully, one must not believe too much on what is published. We live an a region where there is a need to maintain racial harmony, not only between the population but also the goverment and the general public.

There are alot of threads here about singapore and her neighbours. What is being published or not being published is not entirely true..
 
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