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Skimming over the PDF linked in Galrahn's blog briefly, the "International Variant" / "Multi-Mission Capability":
- is not "modular" to the same extent (i'd at least interpret reconfigurable mission zones differently - it's more of a classic multi-role frigate)
- proposes using more existing export technology (Mk41, Phalanx, SPY-1F in their example) instead of future stuff (NETFIRES lol)
- supposedly the design scales up/down better (they're just advertising the high-speed hull form sorta)
- can be equipped for more complex roles than LCS, e.g. AAW or shipborne ASW
- is cheaper (?)
Kato I don't know if it would be cheaper, perhaps the seaframe itself would be cheaper, but I imagine the systems would increase the cost.
For India I think there are a lot of questions, not sure how this would play out exactly. Speculating, I think it is unlikely the LCS seaframe for India would be built in the states, I actually assume it would be built in an European yard. Also, I do not know if AEGIS is included, rather there might be some other systems integration there, but I don't really know.
One would have to assume India would want Barak and Brahmos, which would lead to a different systems integrator. I think there are some interesting options here for India, although I believe at the end of the day Russia is going to have a say in this.
For India I think there are a lot of questions, not sure how this would play out exactly. Speculating, I think it is unlikely the LCS seaframe for India would be built in the states, I actually assume it would be built in an European yard. Also, I do not know if AEGIS is included, rather there might be some other systems integration there, but I don't really know.
One would have to assume India would want Barak and Brahmos, which would lead to a different systems integrator. I think there are some interesting options here for India, although I believe at the end of the day Russia is going to have a say in this.
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Why would it be built in a European yard? Our yards are full?
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Aren't European yards (major ones) relatively full for the next couple years? With Type 45, FREMM, F125, various SSN/SSK lines, CVF and other projects rolling around. Ok, somewhere in Spain maybe. Or at TKMS' Hellenic Shipyards, if they still exist by then. Haifa would probably be too small, i guess.
CMN (Cherbourg), DCN or some other European company as a builder, say with Thales as systems integrator would of course definitely be interesting. Iirc Thales also offered Herakles for Project 17, and of course has made steady inroads into Indian defence procurement the last few years.
Because US shipyards are the most expensive in the world?
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I don't think the cost would be significantly different in Europe.
Would be my thought, and yes radiosilence there is a big difference in costs.
I'm not saying its so, I am just saying I won't be surprised if the shipbuilding takes place somewhere besides the US for India.
the aegis system was offered to india sometime back but was rejected,india will most likely go for the indo-israeli super barak misisles to equip these new frigates.
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So long as the dollar's exchange rate remains weak, I suspect US shipyards have a temporary reprieve in terms of cost vs European shipyards...
Although I'm not an expert on this, the US shipyards remain competitive on military shipbuilding even if they have almost abandoned most civilian construction to Asian (and to a lesser extent European) shipyards.
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For civilian shipping, there's definitely a cost advantage. That may be temporarily diminished by the weakness of the dollar, but I doubt anyone's going to place long-term bets on it staying so weak.
The US commercial industry builds very few large vessels & virtually no ships for export. Its biggest markets seem to be the US government (non-navy), US inland waterways, US fisheries, & US offshore oil. Would be about the 10th biggest national commercial shipbuilding industry in Europe, if it moved here, but conspicuous by its lack of exports. A bit like British commercial shipbuilding
hey guys,great news here,indian navy has accepted the indigenously developed shneya class of advanced experimental torpedos,these are short ranged,light weight torpedos designed for launch from helicopters ,bombers and light warships.
here check out this link and article:
http://www.hindu.com/2007/08/24/stories/2007082452630600.htm
‘Navy has accepted advanced torpedoes’
Staff Reporter
BDL has taken up its production, says Sivathanu Pillai
COIMBATORE: The advanced experimental torpedo designed by Defence Research and Development Organsiation (DRDO) has been accepted by the Navy.
Its production has been taken up by Bharat Dynamics Limited (BDL) of Hyderabad, A. Sivathanu Pillai, Chief Controller of DRDO and Chief Executive Officer and Managing Director of BrahMos Aerospace said here on Thursday.
Dr. Pillai told reporters that the advanced light weight torpedo would be used as an underwater weapon by the Navy.
Self-reliance
With this breakthrough the DRDO was reaching a stage of self-reliance in under water applications. It was now looking at heavy weight torpedoes, Dr. Pillai said.
“Work on unmanned vehicles in underwater is under way and is in the prototype stages at the Naval Science and Technology Laboratory at Vishakhapatnam. The vehicle will initially do surveillance work. Later it might be considered for civilian uses too,” he added.
He said most of the naval materials had been indigenised.
DRDO was also in the process of developing a fuel cell that would have “tremendous civilian applications”.
It could be considered as an alternative to propel cars, he said.
here check out this link and article:
http://www.hindu.com/2007/08/24/stories/2007082452630600.htm
‘Navy has accepted advanced torpedoes’
Staff Reporter
BDL has taken up its production, says Sivathanu Pillai
COIMBATORE: The advanced experimental torpedo designed by Defence Research and Development Organsiation (DRDO) has been accepted by the Navy.
Its production has been taken up by Bharat Dynamics Limited (BDL) of Hyderabad, A. Sivathanu Pillai, Chief Controller of DRDO and Chief Executive Officer and Managing Director of BrahMos Aerospace said here on Thursday.
Dr. Pillai told reporters that the advanced light weight torpedo would be used as an underwater weapon by the Navy.
Self-reliance
With this breakthrough the DRDO was reaching a stage of self-reliance in under water applications. It was now looking at heavy weight torpedoes, Dr. Pillai said.
“Work on unmanned vehicles in underwater is under way and is in the prototype stages at the Naval Science and Technology Laboratory at Vishakhapatnam. The vehicle will initially do surveillance work. Later it might be considered for civilian uses too,” he added.
He said most of the naval materials had been indigenised.
DRDO was also in the process of developing a fuel cell that would have “tremendous civilian applications”.
It could be considered as an alternative to propel cars, he said.
contedicavour
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IIRC the Indian Navy used WASS A244S light torpedoes previously. Would these be an evolution of A244S or MU90 or an entirely Indian design ?
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i remember reading sometime back ,that these indian torpedos were based on the italian light weight torpedos ,however they are marginally lighter than the italian torpedos.
other torpedos of indigenous development currently in advanced stage of development are the thakshak heavy torpedo and the varunastra thermal long range heavy weight torpedos.
contedicavour
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Very interesting. Would this totally exclude imports of foreign torpedoes (I mean the heavy sub-launched variant) like Blackshark or the development is still in too early a stage ? I'm writing this because both Chile and Malaysia have selected Blackshark for their Scorpene.
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the indian navy is acquiring the blackshark torpedos to arm the scorpene submarines,however the varunastra and thakshak are in late stages of construction and developmental testing.
contedicavour
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Ah good news for WASS-Finmeccanica, I wasn't aware that India had acquired Blackshard !
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india had also expressed interest in the mu90 eurotorp ,however i dont know the status of this acquisition plan.
contedicavour
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That would make sense, as MU90 has replaced the A244S in the Italian Navy both for helicopters and on the Mk46-style launchers aboard the FFGs and DDGs.
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This link seems to suggest that India will commision an Akula -II next year.
http://intellibriefs.blogspot.com/2007/08/india-secret-nuke-sub-deal.html
Where will it be based?
http://intellibriefs.blogspot.com/2007/08/india-secret-nuke-sub-deal.html
Where will it be based?
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