Saudi & British Air Forces Perform Green Flag Exercise

SaudiArabian

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Saudi and British Air Forces Perform Green Flag Exercise


London, August 25 , SPA --The exercise / Green Flag /began yesterday at Lucy Mouth base in the United Kingdom between the Saudi Royal Air Force and British Royal Air Force .

Participating in the exercise were Saudi officers, soldiers, equipment and aircraft (Tornado).

The Saudi crews arrived at Lucy Mouth base on 21 August 2007 and they were received by the Saudi Assistant Military Attaché for Air Force Affairs in the United Kingdom Air Colonel Ali bin Saleh Alqazlan and other officials.

On his part, the Commander of the Saudi Royal Air Forces' group at the exercise Air Lieutenant Colonel Abdulaziz bin Abdulrahman Al-Qadiri pointed out that the exercise comes within the prepared plans to develop operational and combating readiness of the Saudi air forces and to exchange expertise with friendly air forces.

--SPA
 

Brandon

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Wow. The Saudis have better aircraft than the British. Let's see, British=EF2000, Tornado, AWACS, Harrier
Saudi=EF2000(soon), Tornado, AWACS, F-15

If I were the UK, I'd stop selling all those top end fighters like the EF2000 and Tornados to foreign countries.
 
Wow. The Saudis have better aircraft than the British. Let's see, British=EF2000, Tornado, AWACS, Harrier
Saudi=EF2000(soon), Tornado, AWACS, F-15

If I were the UK, I'd stop selling all those top end fighters like the EF2000 and Tornados to foreign countries.
The RAF will be getting F-35s in a couple of years. Selling arms is still profitable and helps with R&D cost.
 

evilbrit

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If I were the UK, I'd stop selling all those top end fighters like the EF2000 and Tornados to foreign countries
Bloody hell mate we all have to make a bit of money now and again.Why not sell the Arabs loads of planes,give them what ever they want for a price.
When the UK government sells hardware abroad they only sell the specific item not the full jigsaw.
Military expansion and investment is so expensive that as a nation we feel we are quite justified in clawing some revenue back.
If the UK could get away with selling arms direct to The Persians they would.lol.
Overseas arms sales also help maintain the balance of power in several unstable regions.
Dunno if that is a political or moralistic view though.
 

Brandon

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But don't you guys want a kind of plane of national pride that you don't export. In the US, we have the B-2, B-52, B-1, and F-22. You had Concorde and could have had the TSR.2, but if I'm not mistaken, every single combat aircraft in your inventory has been exported to other nations. If that was the case with our air force, I'd be pretty pissed off.
 

Waylander

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Does pride pays your workers and scientists?
Pride is so far away from being an important reason for not selling any military items.
 

Brandon

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OK, Waylander, lets see what you'll be saying when the Saudis turn against Europe with your best fighter aircraft. Remember Iran and the F-14's? Nowhere to hide anymore now, huh? Lets hope some European countries have secret projects somewhere so they aren't outdone by their own aircraft. Though we sell many weapons, we always, always keep the best for ourselves, which is a very smart things. Even export happy France kept the Mirage IV for themselves.
 

SaudiArabian

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OK, Waylander, lets see what you'll be saying when the Saudis turn against Europe with your best fighter aircraft. Remember Iran and the F-14's? Nowhere to hide anymore now, huh?
he'll not say anything about it because it wont happen

there are wide differences of conditions between the Shah's Iran and KSA with the rest of the GCC's , my only fear is on Bahrain.

besides , these are products of companies which foriegners hold shares in it and they'd like to sell as much as possible to get more profits. otherwise, they may sell their shares and prices fall down.
 

Brandon

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I understand that yes, the defense industry is very much about money, but my point is that it's not all about money. If that was the case, every country in the world right now would have F-16's or F-22's and there would be no such thing as classified information.
 

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I understand that yes, the defense industry is very much about money, but my point is that it's not all about money. If that was the case, every country in the world right now would have F-16's or F-22's and there would be no such thing as classified information.
That is quite correct, the defence industry isn't all about money. Of prime concern when a given company/country will be selling a defence item (and even some non-defence dual use equipment) is what impact the sale can or will have on that country's security. The US for instance, isn't offering the F-22 Raptor for sale, not because it is a point of US pride to have "the best" air to air fighter. Rather, the US doesn't want other countries to get a fighter that could be potentially so difficult for the US to defeat in air combat and/or the technologies that underly the various Raptor systems, and/or the actual performance capabilities.

Anyway, this has strayed far enough:eek:fftopic back to discussion of the RAF and Royal Saudi Air Force Green Flag exercise.

-Preceptor
 

adsH

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Well if we don’t sell them, the US or worst the French will! Can't let that happen, it will shave away are competitive edge over other manufacturers. Plus we have BAE systems to maintain, the worlds second largest Military defence contractor. We can’t afford to not sell to the Saudi's! I mean we're getting something close to 100 billion for the duration of the contract that is excluding any previous deal we’ll already fulfilling! Ever thought a preferential priced Oil contract is worth more to the UK gov then hard cash!

Its ignorance to believe National pride is about keeping yourself the technology that you population has innovated, sooner or later they will either aquire it from someone els or they will manufacturer it themselves. I'd say its a matter of pride for me or anyone in the uk, when we undercut someone in the US or France ! We’re that good at selling! :) :uk
 

contedicavour

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The only prudent initiative I'd take is to keep one step ahead of the Saudis with slightly better AAMs, such as selling AIM-120C-5 only when your own jets fly C-7 or D (or Meteor).
However I know that even this may not work... the US didn't manage to sell F16s in most of Latin America until it was allowed to sell AIM120s (allowing for the sale to Chile for instance). The richest customers (such as the Gulf countries) can always spend on French Rafale, European Typhoon (soon with Meteor) or Russian SU30s with R77.

cheers
 

SaudiArabian

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Joint UK / Saudi Exercise wraps up at Lossiemouth
7 Sep 07

RAF Lossiemouth has been playing host to Tornado aircraft and personnel from the Royal Saudi Air Force (RSAF) as part of a joint military exercise, Exercise Saudi Green Flag.

The exercise is the second half of a squadron exchange, which began last year when RAF personnel and aircraft visited Saudi Arabia for Exercise Lone Frame. The flying programme included between four and six Tornado GR4 aircraft from 617 Squadron RAF Lossiemouth and eight Tornado Interdictor Strike aircraft from 75 Squadron Royal Saudi Air Force (RSAF) who are based at Dhahran Air Base in Saudi Arabia. Over 200 RSAF personnel deployed to RAF Lossiemouth, under the command of Lieutenant Colonel Abdulaziz Al-Qdairi.

Officer Commanding 617 Squadron, Wing Commander Rocky Rochelle, explained the significance of this latest exchange:

"This is the first time the RAF has hosted the RSAF Tornado Interdictor Strike aircraft," he said. "It has been a great privilege hosting them and we have really enjoyed flying with them on the various different exercise missions. Both sides have learned a great deal from the experience."

In addition to gaining access to the UK Low Flying areas the Saudi jets were able to make use of the Tain and the Wiley Sike Air Weapon Ranges as well as the Electronic Warfare Tactical Range at Spadeadam.

Group Captain John Fynes, the RAF officer in charge of the exercise, said:

"This is a good opportunity to exchange ideas and gain experience operating with another nation and to reinforce the excellent service to service relationship we have with the Saudi Arabian Armed forces and to further strengthen our defence relationship with them.

"Exercise Saudi Green Flag 07 is the second part of a squadron exchange exercise, the first leg of which allowed us to send aircraft and crews to practice and gain experience in flying in the desert, directly supporting our ability to conduct operations in the Middle East and Central Asia."

In excess of 65 sorties were flown between the two squadrons. During the second week they were joined by Typhoon aircraft from 3(F) Squadron, RAF Coningsby, as well as Tornado F3s, who are currently based at RAF Kinloss. The RSAF were cleared to use the UK Military Low Flying System, which permitted them to fly at heights as low as 250 feet above ground level.

Whilst the RSAF are well practised at low level flying in their own country they were carefully briefed on the need to minimise any disturbance to the public whilst carrying out their low flying training. The fact that there has been no increase in noise complaints to the base is testament to the professionalism of the RSAF crews.

As part of the exercise RAF Lossiemouth also hosted a visit by His Royal Highness Prince Khalid bin Sultan Abdulaziz Al Saud, Deputy Minister of Defence and Aviation, His Highness Lieutenant General Abdul Rahman bin Fahad Al-Faisal and the UK’s Minister for Armed Forces, The Right Honourable Bob Ainsworth MP. Mr Ainsworth was impressed with what he saw:

"I was extremely pleased with the day overall and the efforts made by RAF Lossiemouth in providing the excellent support for this visit and the exercise as a whole," he explained. "I have spoken to His Royal Highness, who has expressed his delight in the success of this detachment."

The visit concluded with a series of briefings on the various missions already flown and meetings with personnel from both 617 and 75 Squadron. The party were hosted for lunch in the Officers' Mess before a visit to the Thales Simulator and a flypast by RAF and RSAF Tornados, along with RAF Typhoons.


Source and more photos can be found on : British Ministry of Defense Website
 

scarey1989

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yes, good point

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Satorian

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The fact that there has been no increase in noise complaints to the base is testament to the professionalism of the RSAF crews.
Haha, I love that one. No increase in noise complaints sounds like there are regular ones they just shoulder and get on with things.

Anybody else think this might also have been somewhat of a Typhoon sales exercise? Typhoons joined them for the practice and the SA sales contract has now been signed by the UK and is due for being signed by SA this or next week.
 

SaudiArabian

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this is a video recently released on Youtube regarding the training


Royal Saudi Air Force taking off at RAF Lossiemouth
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vfl7fJfh2Nw"]YouTube - Royal Saudi Air Force taking off at RAF Lossiemouth[/ame]
 
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