Cobra AH-1 vs a Apache?
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their is no dough that apache longbow is more technologically advanced in terms of weapons armor and avionics, but no one must under estimate king/super cobra.Cobra AH-1 vs a Apache (let's say fully upgraded).
They are both attack heli's so they can engage each other I'm assuming
I was wondering which one would win if pitted against one another in let's say a battlefield where both heli's can hide for cover
Would the Apache win because it can carry more advanced weapons? :?
btw which model of Cobra AH-1 does Pakistan have :?
There go my questions (hopefully not dumb ones)
here is a comparison of early block of AH-1 and AH-1 Z and see how far it has come.
AH-1 F
Armament
* M197 3-barreled 20mm "Gatling-style" cannon in the M97 turret (750 rounds ammo capacity)
* 2.75in (70mm) rockets - 7 rockets mounted in the M260 or M261 launchers[4]
* TOW Missiles - 4 or 8 missiles mounted in two-missile launchers on each hardpoint
AH-1 Z
Armament
* M197 3-barreled 20 mm "Gatling-style" cannon in the A/A49E-7 turret (750 rounds ammo capacity)
* 2.75 in (70 mm) Hydra 70 rockets - 14 rockets mounted in a variety of launchers
* 5 in (127mm) Zuni rockets - 8 rockets in two 4-round LAU-10D/A launchers
* TOW Missiles - 4 or 8 missiles mounted in two-missile launchers on each hardpoint
* AGM-114 Hellfire Missiles - 4 or 8 missiles mounted in two 4-round M272 or M299 missile launchers, one on each hardpoint
* AIM-9 Sidewinder Anti-Aircraft Missiles - 1 mounted on each hardpoint
as far the question goes of what type and how many does PA operates..
currently PA has about 78 AH-1 S/F and the work has started to upgrade them to "King cobra" standard under Pakistan Army's AFFDP-2019 modernization program. the king cobra was offered to Turkey's Ah-1.
Up to 30 new-generation attack helicopters is a requirement for the PA to enhance the Army's attack aviation arm. options include the Eurocopter Tiger, South African AH-2 Rooivalk and Boeing AH-64D "Apache Longbow". though couple of years ago their were reports from both the American and Pakistani source that PA is very soon to receive up to 12 "longbows" for free of cost but have no idea what happened! may be PA is using some barrowd once in Waziristan to fight of the terrorism ???... who knows...
Shimmy, I think you've brought up a very good point.
Both can perform either role but I agree that the prime role of the Super Cobra is close support and the prime role of the Apache, as originally conceived, was anti tank. In actual deployment in recent times, however, it seems to me that the Apache is currently serving mainly in the close support role.
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It seems a common thing to use aircraft in roles they were never designed to perform. When the enemy is unconventional and low tech most doctine goes out the window.
Look at the B-1b's providing close air support, quite versatile. If you mentioned this 20 years ago people would have thought u were crazy. The B-1b's range is terrific it would be great for providing close air support and anti-shipping around Australia as we have some much area to cover. I'd rather have a B-1b flying 100 feet off the water towards a Chinesse Navy destroyer than a P-3 orion!!!
With the apache they have no tanks to kill, but the heavy armour of the apache is still required in case of gunfire in an ambush.
This is similar to how the humvee's are too weak the Army needs armoured personnel carriers just for light escort duties.
The newest version of the Cobra is the AH-1Z. It is said to have better avionics. I still believe however the Longbow is better.Cobra AH-1 vs a Apache (let's say fully upgraded).
They are both attack heli's so they can engage each other I'm assuming
I was wondering which one would win if pitted against one another in let's say a battlefield where both heli's can hide for cover
Would the Apache win because it can carry more advanced weapons? :?
btw which model of Cobra AH-1 does Pakistan have :?
There go my questions (hopefully not dumb ones)
The AH-64 Apache Longbow is an amazing helicopter.
Most of You guys really need to do ur homework and quit assuming things
Considering the super cobra z model has air to air capabilities and can carry sidewinder and stinger missiles and the apache cant, a super cobra would win a dogfight everytime. The super cobra z also has newer better targeting systems, can carry more array of weapons, and can carry more wieght in weapons you have to take that into consideration. The sc z is less expensive and apaches are complete maintenance sluts, I'd go with the super cobra z everytime. And the French tiger attack helicopter is so overrated along with Russian hinds and havoks
Considering the super cobra z model has air to air capabilities and can carry sidewinder and stinger missiles and the apache cant, a super cobra would win a dogfight everytime. The super cobra z also has newer better targeting systems, can carry more array of weapons, and can carry more wieght in weapons you have to take that into consideration. The sc z is less expensive and apaches are complete maintenance sluts, I'd go with the super cobra z everytime. And the French tiger attack helicopter is so overrated along with Russian hinds and havoks
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