How Good is the J-10?

[crobato]

Well if J-10 indeed has so many mythical capabilities then why churn up home made RU Flanker lookalikes aka J11B.

That is because one is a bigger fighter and one is smaller. Have you ever heard of a low and high mix?

Point me to a poster/link who said or mentioned SC speed==1.5 Mach which you were claiming otherwise,you have no proofs to back your claims .we all are waiting for you to come up with proper citations.

Why don't you actually read the link I posted a while ago.

Co incidently that 'no one' happens to be you alone ,Afaik we discuss weapon specs which are meant for military use and objectives .

And what do you actually know about weapons specs and how objective or tested this claims may be?

Raptor is very much of significance for it is you who came up with a F-16(again is that related to the thread OH I forgot my bad J-10 and F-16 related true eh....) achieveing the SC in CLEAN config (I am scared),I mentioned the Raptor for it is the only bird out there which was made ground up to super cruise with mission critical combat load (although I have heard of EF and Rafael too having a limited capability to SC under certain config) .

So what! You are the one who have to bring up the Raptor here. As if you didn't know that other planes by the academic definition of supercruise, have already done it (Concorde, BAC Lightning).

We are talking about the J-10 here. The closest equivalent in weight, thrust and size is the F-16. Given an uprated engine, why can't it hit supersonic on dry thrust?

 

[gf0012-aust]

Crobato and Powerslavengi.

Can you two please work out your differences and self moderate your engagement with each other?

This post has already been reported once, we don't need to see it reported again.

 

[pshamim]

Perfected...

Yes I suppose anything can be classed as that, 20 years after the Soviets stopped producing the original. J-6 build quality was generally regarded as bad, the PAF for instance had to virtually rebuild their's before letting them go into operational service.



According to who? You??

Trade websites like Defence Industry Daily are using it as reference, so it must have some reliability.

Sorry! I must disagree and support Corbato's assertions regarding J-6s compared to MIG-21. You need more research.

Website, you mentioned does not present unbiased views.

 

[f-22fan12]

Your joking right ?

First of all why do you even compare J-10 which is a fighter , too F-35 which is not intended for air supreority , second of all J-10 is not better than Typhoon , it comes nowhere near with BVR capability's , Eurofighter would shoot him down before he even had him on the radar ..

The Typhoon is certainly better than a J-10. I agree.

 

[wp2000]

. J-10 is quite impressive.

4th prototype version is said to be redesigned with F-35 JSF style Divertless Supersonic Intakes (DSIs) being the most notable feature; according to Lockheed Martin, DSIs are more stealthy than other conventional air intakes as well as DSIs also divert turbulent boundary-layer airflow away from the engine inlet.

All precision guided munitions listed above are either GPS or radar guided, and when the television or laser guided munitions are deployed, addition electro-optical targeting pods such as the Chinese-built Blue Sky pod must be carried externally in order to provide guidance and targeting information


all in all the J-10 can easily compete with the F-35 & the typhoon



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I think you have too much wishful thinking.

J10 was started at a lower level compared to Typhoon and F35. While J10 is improving and trying to catch up with what Typhoon already achieved, Typhoon is improving too, not to mention F35.

The only advantage for J10 is, China has much more motivation to push J10 up a few nothces.

 

[PrOeLiTeZ]

The J-10 program is equivalent to mini Apollo program for the Chinese aviation sector. The performance of the Typhoon and Jian are simular but only current advantage that the Typhoon flexes over Jian is its avionics and armnament. Jian having a less advance and powerful radar compared to Typhoon and its current PL-12 is no much for the Typhoon AIM-120. Dogfight will be near equal.

 

[omeko3]

What about the J-XX that is rumored to be on the drawing board? Won't that pose a threat to the F-22/F-35?

 

[Izzy1]

What about the J-XX that is rumored to be on the drawing board? Won't that pose a threat to the F-22/F-35?

And what is on the US drawing board?

Or is the US just going to fall asleep and wait for everyone else to catch up... Rubbish.

 

[10ringr]

Hard to say in comparison to those you list, especially given the West's lack of credible information on the J-10.

However, here is one of the better links on the web in regards to the J-10.

http://www.aeronautics.ru/news/news002/news095.htm

bad link

 

[colvin123]

compare with these , and you will know why J-10 is better than su-27

but , we all know su-27 is much heaver than J-10 , it's for different use.

 

[colvin123]

first is FC-1 , 2th is su-27 , I couldn't find J-10's cabin, think it's better than FC-1

 

[BlahBlahBlah1]

first is FC-1 , 2th is su-27 , I couldn't find J-10's cabin, think it's better than FC-1

FC-1 came out later than J-10...FC-1 probably has superior electronics.

 

[s002wjh]

FC-1 came out later than J-10...FC-1 probably has superior electronics.

nah J-10 has better electronic. FC-1 is the export plane, J-10 is use by pla, i would think they save the best for themself.

 

[BlahBlahBlah1]

nah J-10 has better electronic. FC-1 is the export plane, J-10 is use by pla, i would think they save the best for themself.

FC-1 is a joint development for both the China and Pakistan...plus, J-10s are planning to be exported to Pakistan, so there is no "save the best for themself" for either planes.

 

[s002wjh]

FC-1 is a joint development for both the China and Pakistan...plus, J-10s are planning to be exported to Pakistan, so there is no "save the best for themself" for either planes.

fc-1 is driven from j-7, j-10 is newly developed. so i think j-10 is better than fc1, even if fc-1 electronic is same as j-10, its airframe and other parts are not as good compare to j-10. I don't think chinese would export better electronic equip aircraft to other country while it self use inferior electronic equip aircraft, would it ? so i think j-10 electronic is least as good as fc-1, probably better.

 

[BlahBlahBlah1]

fc-1 is driven from j-7, j-10 is newly developed.

Overall performance, J-10 is definitely better than FC-1...but FC-1 came out so much later than J-10. FC-1 have more and better electronics available because of that.

I don't think chinese would export better electronic equip aircraft to other country while it self use inferior electronic equip aircraft, would it ? so i think j-10 electronic is least as good as fc-1, probably better.

It's not really an export aircraft...it was joint developed.

 

[s002wjh]

Overall performance, J-10 is definitely better than FC-1...but FC-1 came out so much later than J-10. FC-1 have more and better electronics available because of that.



It's not really an export aircraft...it was joint developed.

u know they can upgrade the electronic of j-10 fair easily, i just don't think j-10 been the front line of PLAAF has inferior electronic component vs FC-1, especially when chinese have access toward both plane electronic components.

 

[BlahBlahBlah1]

u know they can upgrade the electronic of j-10 fair easily

J-10 probably will get an upgrade in the near future, but that takes money, which is being invested in other places like the 2008 Olympics ($40 billion already spent btw).

 

[s002wjh]

J-10 probably will get an upgrade in the near future, but that takes money, which is being invested in other places like the 2008 Olympics ($40 billion already spent btw).

40B is chunk change for china. the top leader already decide to increase more military budget. but anyway hopefully someone knew the subject will come in and give us some ideas. right now we just speculate on the subject. but common sense indicate any country will keep the best military equipment for themself.

 

[BlahBlahBlah1]

40B is chunk change for china. the top leader already decide to increase more military budget. but anyway hopefully someone knew the subject will come in and give us some ideas. right now we just speculate on the subject. but common sense indicate any country will keep the best military equipment for themself.

By the highest estimate last year (including estimates by SIPRI, RAND, CIA, and DIA), 40 billion is about 1/3 the total budget for the PLA.