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Pls expand on what you said.
Kilo 363 vs Kilo 877
And the modernisations - do they upgrade the Kilo 877 to the Kilo 636 level or what ?
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Kilo 363 vs Kilo 877
And the modernisations - do they upgrade the Kilo 877 to the Kilo 636 level or what ?
The 636 Kilo is a newer, quiter model. Usually the Indians get the better stuff but this time the Chinese got it. China at first purchased the 877s and then got 636s.
indian navy also has 636 kilos,however the indians were not happy with the performance of the russian sonars and batteries on the kilos and had them replaced with indigenous sonars and batteries ,the indigenous sonar was found to be much superior to the russian ones particularly in the indian waters.
the indian kilos are equipped with the klub cruise missiles ,however they are now to be equipped with the brahmos missiles ,the indian navy has loaned a kilo to the drdo and the brahmos corporation for carrying out the inregration work,also the indian navy has developed indigenous thermal torpedoes the thakshak and the varunastra to arm the kilos and the scorpenes.
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Well, I was only quoting what the Indian web sites were claiming about their new surface frigates.
What can you tell us about the Julang-II SLBM's ?
China has no aircraft carrier, perhaps Japan has ?
sashikanth
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I think aircraft carriers can be statergically important in asia.
How many countries in asia have aircraft carrers??
I know India has one,, and i also know China has no aircraft carriers yet and they are in the process of procureing them
India has already has another carries ordered from russia and will shortly be able to build its own aircraft carrier.
What i really wanna know is how many countries in asia have aircraft carriers???
How many countries in asia have aircraft carrers??
I know India has one,, and i also know China has no aircraft carriers yet and they are in the process of procureing them
India has already has another carries ordered from russia and will shortly be able to build its own aircraft carrier.
What i really wanna know is how many countries in asia have aircraft carriers???
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Aussie Digger
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Besides India?
Thailand has one.
The USA has around 14.
A number of Countries have "helicopter carriers".
That's about it. I guess "strategic importance" is relative...
Ramjetmissile
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I say china is in the process of building them
. as reported that china will be increasing its defence budget significantly to some US$70 Billion and thats a lot of money .
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Big dissapointment for India !!!
The Gorshkow will now take another 4 yrs to complete !!!
They say it would have been easier to start with a new aircraft carrier than try to modernise the Gorshkov. I wonder if that is what is going on as the earlier claims of refitting the Gorshkow have turned it into a huge mess !!
Anyone know the truth ?
I tend to think the number is closer to $400 billion US when you weigh all conversions.I say china is in the process of building them
That is from an August 2007 Airforce Magazine Online article I cover and source in detail on my blog.
With all the information you too can have an informed opinion, and not guess at budgets or projects!
There are two distinct things you're trying to count here.I tend to think the number is closer to $400 billion US when you weigh all conversions....
One is the economic burden of military spending. For that, any kind of conversion is meaningless. All that matters is 1) the local currency cost, related to the size of the economy, & 2) the hard currency cost, related to hard currency earnings. Any attempt to estimate a PPP figure as a share of the economy subtracts significance from this type of estimate, rather than adding it.
The other thing is the value of military spending, for international comparison. In this case, calculating a military PPP - or better, PPPs for the different constituents of military spending - is meaningful, & potentially valuable.
From reading John Tkaciks articles, it's clear that what he's done to get his figure is mix up the two aims. It's a "burden to the economy" estimate converted at an (inappropriate) whole-economy PPP. He uses an estimate of real Chinese military spending as 4.5% of GDP in local currency, & total GDP at $10000 billion at PPP (from the CIA). Does that make military spending at PPP $450 billion? Errr no - probably not, because the PPP for that spending is very unlikely indeed to be the same as for the whole economy. Military spending is probably much more capital-intensive than the whole economy, with a considerable hard-currency component. One of the rules here is that anything which is traded internationally should be priced at the international price for a PPP conversion. The PPP for military spending is probably much closer to the exchange rate than the PPP for the whole economy.
The methodology is grossly flawed. You must use sectoral PPPs for sectoral comparisons! The articles are polemics, not analyses.
BTW, I believe the SIPRI figure of $140 billion in 2003 is an attempt at a true (i.e. sectoral) PPP estimate.
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Grand Danois
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Curiously it could be argued, that a J-10 puts as much "burden" on the Chinese economy as the F-22A does on the American...
In fly away costs, that is.
In fly away costs, that is.
not much of a major disappointment ,ultimately indian navy will have 3 aircraft carriers iac1 ,iac 2 and the admiral gorshkov.
J-10 is extremely cheap, $20-25 million each. How much does F-22A cost? J-10 puts no burden on the Chinese economy.
if you don't think this is a major disappointment, you are far too optimistic. You are stuck with an old hull, with no catapult and only 45k in displacement flying the worst naval fighter in the world (unless you count Sea Harrier).
While there is no doubt that it is a disappointment, the decision to go for Gorshkov was political to begin with. As to Mig-29K, you are coming down to 'Boys with toys' arguement. I am not aware of any of India's immediate security threats capable of fielding anything remotely close to even Sea harrier on a flat top. So F/A18 E/F (for the western camp), or Su-33 (or it's copy for China), may be the greatest, meanest, advanced naval fighters...they don't mean squat for IN, as IN is not facing any of them now or not likely to face them in near future.
Every country plans for it's defence based on it's threat perception for next 20-30 years (projection atleast) and there are certian constraints they have to operate within. While it is easy for internet Generals/admirals/Air Chief marshals to pass judgements soley based on public reports, life is not so easy for real decision makers.
India does not have Kilo 636s. All their Kilos are 877s. Also the Brahmos integration has not yet happened.
I don't see the comparison. The US has an 8 trillion dollar debt, of which around 7 to 8% is owed to China, while China is running (currently) a 1.4 trillion dollar surplus.
J-7C/D on China in 1990 has probably a greater social burden than a J-10A is to China in 2007.
. there seems to be great confusion sorrounding the project-76 of the indian navy.
while it was supposed to be based on the amur/lada class SSK. now there is talk about kilo-636.
can somebody please clear the air on this one ??
i visited bharat-rakshak & found that the project-76 designated as amur
which one is it actually ???
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Amur is Project 677, not the same project. Kilo 636 first came out in 1999, which is almost a decade after India signed for its Kilos. The last two Indian Kilos were still built shortly after the 636 introduction, however the contract signing for the last two Kilos would have well preceded the 636 introduction and would have been too late to incorporate the 636.