Possible defence co-op between Indonesia and India

[aaaditya]

indonesia has offered india the joint patrolling of the mallaca straits,this is of particular interest to india as it will help india to secure its interests in the pirate infested mallaca straits and also to provide more efective blockage to the chinese mercantile shipping in the event of a major conflict.it will also benefit indonesia which is currently struggling to control piracy in the mallaca straits.

 

[Schumacher]

The Thailand pipeline is now falling behind another proposed longer pipeline a little further south in Malaysia.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\07\10\story_10-7-2007_pg5_31

 

[radiosilence]

indonesia has offered india the joint patrolling of the mallaca straits,this is of particular interest to india as it will help india to secure its interests in the pirate infested mallaca straits and also to provide more efective blockage to the chinese mercantile shipping in the event of a major conflict.it will also benefit indonesia which is currently struggling to control piracy in the mallaca straits.

How much of India's energy Supplies passes through the Strait of Malacca ?

 

[XaNDeR]

Imagine china is at war with India, the one crutial thing that will be important for china is to retain the supply route for the most esestial commidity-FUEL.
If india can impose a naval blockade in the indian ocean, india will gain the upper had over the war, simply because the crutial supply line is blocked.Hence china wants to woo other countries in the indian ocean belt as to stand a chance of of retaining supplys as a result of better relations.
Again, thats the same thing Indians are doing.The 'look east' policy seems to be working for the indians. The future will be interesting to see as to what happens.......

Thats pretty much what i was thinking

 

[Todjaeger]

How much of India's energy Supplies passes through the Strait of Malacca ?

As far as I'm aware, not much. Traffic passes through the Straits of Malacca when transiting from Eastern Africa/Mid-East/South Asia heading towards Eastern Asia and the US. Basically it's the most used shipping lane for traffic passing between the Indian Ocean and the Pacific Ocean. As far as I'm aware, the major sources of energy for India aren't located in the Pacific, therefore nothing (energy-wise) really needs to pass through the straits.

-Cheers

 

[radiosilence]

@Todjaeger

Thanks.
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More than 50 percent of India's maritime trade passes through the Strait of Malacca which is the driving force behind them wanting to help patrol it.

 

[radiosilence]

indonesia has offered india the joint patrolling of the mallaca straits,this is of particular interest to india as it will help india to secure its interests in the pirate infested mallaca straits and also to provide more efective blockage to the chinese mercantile shipping in the event of a major conflict.it will also benefit indonesia which is currently struggling to control piracy in the mallaca straits.

A blockage in the Strait of Malacca would require the permission of the neighboring states - Singapore, Indonesia and Malaysia. What are the chances of that happening?

 

[mexsoldier]

because money moves everything...

india want to secure its trade, the same as indonesia, singapore and malaysia, most of the trade of them is made by sea, their exportations go through the sea, so if there is economic gain, even the religious or political differences will be put away...

 

[Todjaeger]

india want to secure its trade, the same as indonesia, singapore and malaysia, most of the trade of them is made by sea, their exportations go through the sea, so if there is economic gain, even the religious or political differences will be put away...

Something to remember though... The Strait of Malacca is one of the most important shipping channels in the world. I forget exactly what the percentage of world shipping goes through it, but it is in something like the top 3 shipping channels. As a direct result, there is international interest in securing the Straits. Given the occurences of piracy in the Straits and neighboring areas, Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia have begun (or attempted) to work together in policing/patrol it. The US has also provided some assistance in terms of use/maintenance of surveillance assets I believe.

As a result of the importance of the Strait, any nation that has goods shipping either to or from the Indian Ocean to the Pacific or vice versa, has a strategic interest in the Strait. With that said, a number of nations could be asked by any of the three bordering countries to assist in protecting the Strait and the requesting country is likely to receive some aid.

-Cheers

 

[kams]

BEL to export anti-infiltration radar to Indonesia

BEL to export anti-infiltration radar to Indonesia

NEW DELHI: Striving for long to break into the lucrative arms export market, India has finally managed to get a toehold by bagging an order for sale of short-range battle field surveillance radar to Indonesia.

The sale order is eventful as the Indian company, which won the order, was in strong competition with some of the world's leading radar and electronic warfare equipment manufacturers like American Raytheon and European consortium Thales.

The radars being sold are capable of detecting moving targets like foot-patrols, army and civil vehicles, tanks and artillery pieces. "These are ideal for checking illegal incursion on borders of all terrain".

BEL officials were not forthcoming on the number of radar systems being sold. But Defence Ministry sources said the initial order could be anything up to 100 systems. BEL has recently set up an extensive facility for manufacture of such radars as already it has a big contract for such systems from the Indian Army.

Radars are light weight, man-portable and can be quickly deployed. They can operate 24-hours a day under all weather conditions, officials said. Radars have low probability of interception, can track 50 targets at the same time, can also classify targets, based on audio doppler signature and have the provisions to network with other radar systems for wider area coverage.

The new systems, a force multiplier for security forces in their hunt for terrorists in tough tarrain, have the capability of picking up armed groups five km away and moving vehicles from a distance of eight km.

Link

 

[nero]

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iam a bit surprised though !!

indonesia is a proud muslim country .

why would a country like indonesia co-operate with a country like india, which is killing muslims in kashmir ??

also it would be interesting to know under what circumstances did BEL secure the order, despite facing stiff competition from american & european companies. who knows maybe there was some kick-backs involved.

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[kams]

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iam a bit surprised though !!

indonesia is a proud muslim country .

why would a country like indonesia co-operate with a country like india, which is killing muslims in kashmir ??

also it would be interesting to know under what circumstances did BEL secure the order, despite facing stiff competition from american & european companies. who knows maybe there was some kick-backs involved.

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Looks like you still haven't learned a thing in your 7 days of banishment. Does 'Proud Muslim nation' and 'taking some kick backs' go hand in hand?

 

[nero]

The thing is China can offer Indonesia more defence related items than what India can offer.

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exactly !!

indonesia must bury the past & forge a new alliance with china.

chinese weapon systems r cheaper than their indian counterparts & therefore light on the pocket.

also china enjoys greater diplomatic clout in the world, than india which means that in case something goes wrong china can bail indonesia out, more easilly than say india.

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[nero]

Looks like you still haven't learned a thing in your 7 days of banishment. Does 'Proud Muslim nation' and 'taking some kick backs' go hand in hand?

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the country is proud!!

but even in a proud country there r always some individuals who r willing to do anything for money.

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[Scorpius]

chinese goods are cheap yes,but what about their quality?

 

[aaaditya]

i believe these man portable radars were successfully combat tested in different terrians and were found to be superior to comparable productes supplied by other manufacturers ,it has now been selected as the standard battle field surveillance radars (short range).

 

[radiosilence]

Indonesian Air Force exploring possibilities of purchasing weapons from China

The Indonesian Air Force is currently exploring the possibility of finding out an alternative to purchase main weaponry system equipments from China on account of that country`s advanced technology in military weapons

http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailgeneral.asp?fileid=20070812151628&irec=29

Seems like Indonesia isn't that concerned about the Chinese since they are considering the purchase of Chinese weapons. Chinese equiptments comes with little strings attached which is might be part of Indonesia decision making process.

 

[funtz]

There are many aspects to a strategic tie up between two countries, religion alone accounts for very little between these two countries.

The relationship between India and Indonesia is primarily financial and the defense ties are due to common weapons platform and the ability of common cooperation on fronts like training, counter terrorism, safety of trade routes, and the ties will continue to get stronger with time along with Indonesia china defense ties, the world doesn't run on the cold war principals (except in the case of india & pakistan) it is possible to have relations with two nations.


Traditionally there has been a very tense political relationship between China and ASEAN (excluding Burma) which has only begun to stabilize after the rapid increase in trade volume coming out of and going into china, however it is still years before the political and business rivalry with china is forgotten and Indonesia has only restored relations with the People's Republic of China in 1990.

India herself has seen a rapid growth in business ties with ASEAN (especially Singapore) in recent times. That coupled with the very well known fact that Indian Navy and cost guards play an important role in securing the vital Indian oceans security, ties between India and other ASEAN nations are natural.