Royal New Zealand Navy Discussions and Updates

recce.k1

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Very informative especially the Frigate replacement years
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Indeed, Te Kaha was commissioned in 97 and Te Mana in 99 from memory, which gives them a life expectancy of approx 26 years and 29 years respectively. (Wonder why the reduced life expectancy of Te Kaha, the second ANZAC ship off the production line? Related to the structure problems noted in the RAN Discussions forum)?
 

Tasman

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(Wonder why the reduced life expectancy of Te Kaha, the second ANZAC ship off the production line? Related to the structure problems noted in the RAN Discussions forum)?
Good question. Is there anyone in the service who can (or is allowed to) give an answer to this? Maybe they just want a five year gap in the replacement dates for funding purposes!

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RubiconNZ

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Yes it is interesting as their introduction into service were only 2 1/2 years apart, perhaps its a funding matter or maybe as a result of the early mods they had to do to Te Kaha, at one stage they had to cut the Gas Turbine out of the hull IIRC maybe that shortened it service life.
 

Tasman

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The very best of equipment possible - What a load of trolls. If we'd got the best we would have purchased something like the Singapore Endurance Class. Instead we've got a very important ship, thats not even fitted with basic countermeasures or radar warning.

The Dominion Press should stop interviewing Helen Clark and do some real journalism and investigate the issue!!!
Compared with what is being ordered across the Tasman the NZ PM's ideas of "the very best of equipment" indicate a complete lack of understanding of defence issues IMHO. I worry about Kiwi sailors, who will make the most of the equipment they are given but whose lives, I fear, may be placed in jeapardy one day as a result of poor decision making in the defence area. I know from reading the posts on this board that the majority, if not all, our Kiwi members feel the same way about this.

Project Protector is a step in the right direction but the the PM seems to be describing Canterbury as though it is a Navantia BPE!

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nz enthusiast

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What makes the new Canterbury all the more strange is that the original navy requirement called for at least a 57mm gun and some form of anti-missile onboard most likely the CIWS but I think Helen got her pen out and choose the weapon systems herself.

Yeah the Labour party has always been a little confused on what to do with defence spending, they talk our old (top class in its day) and replace it with cheap s**t and claim a boost in capability. I am starting to wonder if the NZ military can go any more downhill, we may as well do a Panama and Costa Rica and declare we have no military. We currently have no serious anti-air capability, no decent anti-ship capability and the labour party is stalling on the anti-sub weapons issue. The only decent thing the whole NZ military has is the SAS, and all they can really stop is terrorists (if they are lucky). In other words New Zealand can do jack all about anything.
 

Tasman

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Well it turns out they have already had one problem, this one with one of the engines: http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411749/1196193
Seems like a minor problem, and one that is not unusual for a ship that has just been completed and can expect some teething problems. What I have some concern about is Commodore David Anson's statement that "These sorts of things occur with the fleet on a reasonably frequent basis."

http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411749/1196193

It is good to see that the crew have the capability to fix problems of this sort at sea by themselves.

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Lucasnz

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Seems like a minor problem, and one that is not unusual for a ship that has just been completed and can expect some teething problems. What I have some concern about is Commodore David Anson's statement that "These sorts of things occur with the fleet on a reasonably frequent basis."

http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411749/1196193

It is good to see that the crew have the capability to fix problems of this sort at sea by themselves.

Cheers

The TVNZ commentary said that they could have fixed the problem underway, but chose to anchor. That was probably the best move given that everyone is still getting use to operating the ship.

I don't see anything strange or any need to be concerned by Cmdre Anson's comments. Ships are always needing work done on them even at sea. The preventative maintenance program used by the RNZN helps reduce these sorts of problems, but can't always prevent them.
 

stryker NZ

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you know with all the different media sources that ive seen reporting on this i would have thought at least one would have relised that the Canterbury isnt a frigate :D
 

Tasman

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I don't see anything strange or any need to be concerned by Cmdre Anson's comments. Ships are always needing work done on them even at sea. The preventative maintenance program used by the RNZN helps reduce these sorts of problems, but can't always prevent them.
You are probably right. I just worry if a culture develops that accepts things that perhaps shouldn't be accepted. Certainly with the situation that arose with Canterbury I have no concerns at all. Problems of a minor nature are to be expected with any new ship and this problem was dealt with appropriately.

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recce.k1

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Nelsonians may be the first in NZ to see the MRV Canterbury!

"The Royal New Zealand Navy's newest and largest vessel was visible from land Wednesday morning as it steamed into Tasman Bay on its maiden, "homecoming" voyage to Lyttelton".
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4110032a6007.html

There's also a big one page article in the Manawatu Standard (where I am) outlining the Canterbury's arrival and also navy recruitement issues (alas the article hasn't appeared on line yet). Anyway, should be a media frenzy tomorrow when the Canterbury arrives in Lyttleton.

Oh, and no doubt this may be in the Aussie online papers and in more detail (haven't had time to look), but apparently here is the "real reason" why Australia will be buying their new LHD's!
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4108802a12.html
 

Tasman

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Oh, and no doubt this may be in the Aussie online papers and in more detail (haven't had time to look), but apparently here is the "real reason" why Australia will be buying their new LHD's!
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4108802a12.html
LOL. I doubt that threatening Fiji was in the minds of Defence when they evaluated the navy's amphibious needs but it is probably true that the Fiji coup (along with the previous coup) highlighted deficiencies in the RAN's capabilities to respond to this type of situation. Also, what he says about the huge increase in capability is true.

"The Royal New Zealand Navy's newest and largest vessel was visible from land Wednesday morning as it steamed into Tasman Bay on its maiden, "homecoming" voyage to Lyttelton".
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4110032a6007.html

There's also a big one page article in the Manawatu Standard (where I am) outlining the Canterbury's arrival and also navy recruitement issues (alas the article hasn't appeared on line yet). Anyway, should be a media frenzy tomorrow when the Canterbury arrives in Lyttleton.
Good to see Canterbury under way. Hopefully its arrival will provide a recruiting boost for the RNZN.

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recce.k1

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LOL. I doubt that threatening Fiji was in the minds of Defence when they evaluated the navy's amphibious needs but it is probably true that the Fiji coup (along with the previous coup) highlighted deficiencies in the RAN's capabilities to respond to this type of situation. Also, what he says about the huge increase in capability is true.
Yes, looks like you are spot on! Here's the full Fiji Times article which quotes Foreign Minister Downer talking about capabilities and deficiencies (available on their archive site for only two weeks though) http://www.fijitimes.com/story.aspx?ref=archive&id=65234

I was really taking the mickey about the Colonel's quote ''Their plans to purchase and strengthen defence equipment came about in December ..." which unfortunately comes across as meaning that the Oz govt decided they required LHD's as a result of the Fiji coup and undertook the evaluation, tender and ordering process, all in approx 6 months, which must be a world record!

Anyway back on topic before I get banned from this for straying (and now banned from entering Fiji), MRV Canterbury in Nelson with nice pic http://www.stuff.co.nz/4110225a19719.html
 

recce.k1

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LOL. I doubt that threatening Fiji was in the minds of Defence when they evaluated the navy's amphibious needs but it is probably true that the Fiji coup (along with the previous coup) highlighted deficiencies in the RAN's capabilities to respond to this type of situation. Also, what he says about the huge increase in capability is true.
One more thing about Fiji I forgot to add in before, (justified in the guise of NZ and Oz Naval forces ever having to "invade" perhaps), apparently alot ammunition was provided to Fijian forces in Iraq. This Fiji Times article alludes to ammo not being accounted for (whereas Aust Govt says it has, can't find anything on this though on the AAP, SMH & Australian news sites though). http://www.fijitimes.com/story.aspx?id=65413. Ok that's enough from me on Fiji here, maybe someone wants to set up an Oceania geo-politics thread!
 
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Yes, looks like you are spot on! Here's the full Fiji Times article which quotes Foreign Minister Downer talking about capabilities and deficiencies (available on their archive site for only two weeks though) http://www.fijitimes.com/story.aspx?ref=archive&id=65234

I was really taking the mickey about the Colonel's quote ''Their plans to purchase and strengthen defence equipment came about in December ..." which unfortunately comes across as meaning that the Oz govt decided they required LHD's as a result of the Fiji coup and undertook the evaluation, tender and ordering process, all in approx 6 months, which must be a world record!

Anyway back on topic before I get banned from this for straying (and now banned from entering Fiji), MRV Canterbury in Nelson with nice pic http://www.stuff.co.nz/4110225a19719.html
I've seen that quote and thought it absolutely hilarious. I'm actually thinking of sending my copy of the Australian 2000 White Paper to the Fijian Defence Force HQ addressed to this Colonel with the LHD project highlighted... :eek:nfloorl:

He must have also forgotten about Kanimbla and Manoora being positioned off the coast of Fiji...
 

Ozzy Blizzard

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I've seen that quote and thought it absolutely hilarious. I'm actually thinking of sending my copy of the Australian 2000 White Paper to the Fijian Defence Force HQ addressed to this Colonel with the LHD project highlighted... :eek:nfloorl:
I forgot we base our future aquisitions and force structure arround any political problems that happen to occur in Fiji. It seems this guy seems might be slightly narcisistic, since every aquisition that happens in the region revolves arround him and the organisation he leads. Perhaps the Wedgetail AWE&C and F35 are intended to counter the Fijian air force.:eek:nfloorl:

Seriosly.....

These platforms may be usefull if we need to intervene in Fiji but to claim that this was the intention behind the purchase is laghable, we could interveen quite easilly without them. He's just trying to talk up the threat and portray the ADF as a bully imposing imperialism on oceania, because the ousted president asked for Australian assistance, which we abruptly refused. Apart from being factually innacurate, as AD stated the 2000 white paper outlined the project years ago, its just plain arrogant to claim that we base our platform aquisitions arround a coup in Fiji. Total rubish.
 
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