UFO Violated The Saudi Airspace

[SaudiArabian]

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by Naif Al Yanefi , from Tabuk
Sunday 17/6/2007

After more than 24 hours of the publication of the news from Al Quma regarding the existance of a flying object in Tabuk sky last Friday night , No governmental clarrification have been issued either confirming the news or denying it while many stories are spreading by the citizens of the region , the latest is what some eye witnesses said on today's afternoon confirming that they saw what looks like a 'Shihab' or white meteorite in the sky of Tabuk Today and this was also confirmed by the message that Al Quma recieved from one of the readers called Al Sayyad when he said that he saw the object over Al Mu'atham town 140 kilometers south of Tabuk city.

Many of these theses have made alot of people to stop at the silence of the specialized governmental authorities and at not speaking about these phenomena by confirmation or denial to put an end to the imagination of individuals and to clarify the information to everyone specially that there are differences in opinions that these objects could be remains of falling satellites , meteorites or even aircrafts violating the Nation's sky in several regions.

it is worth mentioning that Al Quma has published on last Friday's night exclusively that Saudi aircrafts have interfered to pursue and explore a flying object been detected inside the Saudi air space west of Tabuk region after the King Faisal Air Base operations center recieved a report from the operations center of the Border guards confirming reports of citizens about seeing a flying object in the sky between Al Wajh and Amlaj towns about 500 kilometers west of Tabuk city at 10 pm evening on Friday. Al Quma sources indicated in the operations center that untill now it is not determined what is the object and whether it is a flying object or a specific aircraft that entered the Saudi airspace. Al Quma sources also confirmed that the report of the Border guards operation center indicate that the object is a fast small-sized aircraft while the command center of the Air Forces said its a flying object but didn't specify what it is.

source: Al Quma Network (<< a local Saudi news network)
Translated*


the last time a UFO was reported in Saudi airspace was in June 2003 in Jizan region where a UFO (or to be more precise , a UAV) was seen twice times in one week flying on a very low altitude and very low speed

the only official comment said it was a "children's baloon" through a local newspaper while eye witnesses denied that and assured it was a UAV

 

[Izzy1]

UAV sightings seem to be on the increase throughout the region...

From Jane's Defence Weekly - May 23rd 2007

Yemen in Iranian UAV claim
Tim Ripley JDW Correspondent
London

Yemeni media organisations have reported the discovery of wreckage of an Iranian unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) in the country's Hadramawt region in late March.

Yemeni military sources claim to have shot down the UAV and told Akhbar al-Yaum (Daily News) that "the drone that was brought down in Hadramawt belongs to the Islamic Republic of Iran". Subsequently, the Middle East Newsline agency quoted Yemeni sources, accusing Iranian forces of conducting reconnaissance missions on military and strategic targets in Yemen.

Yemeni military sources quoted in the report suggested that the UAVs used had been a short-range Mohajer, or Ababil, operating in support of the anti-government al-Houthi group, which draws its support from the local Shia community. This would replicate the deployment of Iranian UAVs to Lebanon in support of Hizbullah.

However, in this particular case, I doubt any UAV would be of Iranian-origin. I am almost certain that Iran lacks a UAV with the range capability to get as far as Tabuk - even if operating them from Iraqi terrirtory or through pro-Iranian factions in Gaza or the West Bank.

The IDF is the obvious source, as we all know Israel has some excellent UAV systems available to it. Or dare we speculate that maybe the RSAF are testing a UAV??

(And yes, before the usual suspects start throwing their toys out of the pram, it won't be a UAV Saudi has built...)

 

[SaudiArabian]

However, in this particular case, I doubt any UAV would be of Iranian-origin. I am almost certain that Iran lacks a UAV with the range capability to get as far as Tabuk - even if operating them from Iraqi terrirtory or through pro-Iranian factions in Gaza or the West Bank.

The IDF is the obvious source, as we all know Israel has some excellent UAV systems available to it.

i'm quite certain that its source is from israel

people in Tabuk said that the F-15s flew over Tabuk and everyone heard it , someone said the flying object was forced to go outside the Saudi airspace but they didn't tell me anything further

Or dare we speculate that maybe the RSAF are testing a UAV??

i'm sure its not a test by RSAF of any UAV , if so then the F-15s wouldn't be scrambled like that over Tabuk at night at high speed

(And yes, before the usual suspects start throwing their toys out of the pram, it won't be a UAV Saudi has built...)

just for the record , there is a Saudi-built UAV called Saqr Al Sahraa (ÕÞÑ ÇáÕÍÑÇÁ) made by several scientists in the Aviation engineering department of the engineering college of King Abdulaziz university in Jeddah

 

[metro]

i'm quite certain that its source is from israel

people in Tabuk said that the F-15s flew over Tabuk and everyone heard it , someone said the flying object was forced to go outside the Saudi airspace but they didn't tell me anything further



i'm sure its not a test by RSAF of any UAV , if so then the F-15s wouldn't be scrambled like that over Tabuk at night at high speed

The US and Israel are still continuing joint exercises in the Negev.
I wouldn't be surprised if SA, possibly Egypt and/or Jordan are involved in some "limited" ways as well.
When Cheaney was in the region recently, he met with the leaders of all 4 country's in either Tabuk or Sharm el-Sheikh--I can't remember which place.

Leaving the US aside:
I'm not sure if there are pics of what people "saw" or where it was exactly. But randomly scrambling F-15s from Tabuk toward Israel, would cause some problems as you could imagine. IMO, the last thing Israel or SA would want right now, especially with the situation in that region, is some stupid miscalculation. I would think SA, Jordan, Egypt and Israel are communicating at high levels right now. A UAV might have been hovering over an area where maybe "people" shouldn't have been, and then F-15s were sent. It's not the objective of an UAV to be seen by people unless those who are controlling it, have a reason to want to make people know it's there. And I think someone said it was at night, I'm pretty sure that both Israel and SA have UAVs that are advanced enough to not be seen by everyone at night (unless it was the intent to get a lot of people's attention).

There are so many possibilities right now.

Just to add one more thing, small UAVs can be launched from an "Iranian mini-sub" (or whatever) in the red sea. I'm sure that is it was a UAV, an F-15 either caught up to it, or the UAV was ditched in the water or sand (if it wasn't operating under Saudi Authority).

 

[eaf-f16]

The US and Israel are still continuing joint exercises in the Negev.
I wouldn't be surprised if SA, possibly Egypt and/or Jordan are involved in some "limited" ways as well.
When Cheaney was in the region recently, he met with the leaders of all 4 country's in either Tabuk or Sharm el-Sheikh--I can't remember which place.

Leaving the US aside:
I'm not sure if there are pics of what people "saw" or where it was exactly. But randomly scrambling F-15s from Tabuk toward Israel, would cause some problems as you could imagine. IMO, the last thing Israel or SA would want right now, especially with the situation in that region, is some stupid miscalculation. I would think SA, Jordan, Egypt and Israel are communicating at high levels right now. A UAV might have been hovering over an area where maybe "people" shouldn't have been, and then F-15s were sent. It's not the objective of an UAV to be seen by people unless those who are controlling it, have a reason to want to make people know it's there. And I think someone said it was at night, I'm pretty sure that both Israel and SA have UAVs that are advanced enough to not be seen by everyone at night (unless it was the intent to get a lot of people's attention).

There are so many possibilities right now.

Just to add one more thing, small UAVs can be launched from an "Iranian mini-sub" (or whatever) in the red sea. I'm sure that is it was a UAV, an F-15 either caught up to it, or the UAV was ditched in the water or sand (if it wasn't operating under Saudi Authority).

First of all the 40 something F-15's in Tabuk airbase are all ways flying over Tabuk. And the Tabuk airbase is made just for the purpose of attacking Israel and defending from strikes from Israel so I wouldn't think the Saudis aren't too concerned about Israel thinking they're about to attack them(maybe). And Israel wouldn't even pick up Saudi F-15's as they are out of Israel's radar range because Jordan is in between Tabuk and Israel and even if the Saudi F-15's were flying over Jordanian air space its still out of range for Israel's ground based radars and they can't really have any Israeli AWACS aircraft flying over Jordan (1994 peace treaty) now can they?

And about communication between militaries during exercises is very likely (USN is doing it right now with Iran) between Egypt and Jordan only, but Saudi Arabia is officially at war with Israel so communication is highly unlikely and lets not forget that not a single Saudi official had ever visited or had meeting with and Israeli official and that not single Jew/Israeli is allowed in Saudi Arabia (punishment is decapitation by sword).

I just look at this incident as another example of Israel's complete disrespect towards Saudi Arabia's military.

 

[Rich]

that not single Jew/Israeli is allowed in Saudi Arabia (punishment is decapitation by sword).

Boy what splendid allies to have aren't they? A regular Democratic institution. And I remember reports of Saudis sniveling about how we were supposedly discriminating against Muslims after 9/11. Maybe if we just lopped their heads off for being Muslims they would have understood. Do they still beat Christians in the street if they are seen with a crucifix around their necks?

I just look at this incident as another example of Israel's complete disrespect towards Saudi Arabia's military.

Nor do I respect them. The thought of beheading someone simply for their religious beliefs enrages me. And so many simple minded people blame America for the situation over there?

Sorry Mods, I'll leave it alone. But I do despise terrorists and their supporters. Death to tyrants!

 

[SaudiArabian]

i hope that the individual insults are left aside and that we don't go off-topic

this is the last info i had about the incident from people in KFAB and Tabuk :

1- the F-15's weren't scrambled exept when the flying object was seen on the Radar screens of KFAB.

2- all the RSAF and RSADF units in the area were on alert and on high readiness. it was an Unusual Second Degree Situation. (if someone knows what this mean then please tell)

3- the UFO escaped. its purpose , its target and even its path is unknown. it is not a meteorite nor a falling satellite (and certainly not a flying saucer with little green men on board ).

4- its surely an aircraft , probably an israeli one , testing its ability to violate the Saudi airspace and hide from radars or testing the RSAF and RSADF readiness (maybe the israeli air force wants to see the possibility of violating the Saudi Air Space and head to Iran without being detected by ground radars) . there are alot of possibilities


there is a mistake in the main article i forgot to mention . i have translated the article precisely but the mistake is the two towns Amlaj and Al Wajh are actually to the south or the south west of Tabuk city , not the west.

my only mistake is that the author's name is Naif Al Yanefi (not Al Nayefi) and i've just edited that

 

[eaf-f16]

Boy what splendid allies to have aren't they? A regular Democratic institution. And I remember reports of Saudis sniveling about how we were supposedly discriminating against Muslims after 9/11. Maybe if we just lopped their heads off for being Muslims they would have understood. Do they still beat Christians in the street if they are seen with a crucifix around their necks?



Nor do I respect them. The thought of beheading someone simply for their religious beliefs enrages me. And so many simple minded people blame America for the situation over there?

Sorry Mods, I'll leave it alone. But I do despise terrorists and their supporters. Death to tyrants!

Just to clarify I wasn't supporting Saudi law I was just presenting it to prove that Saudi is not concerned about Israeli diplomatic relations. Personally I think this is wrong but Israel's human right record isn't exactly squeaky clean either and America may rank in the top 10 worst human right violators in the world.

I think the Israelis don't respect Saudi because they don't present such a great threat to them even if they violated their air space and they know there will be no retaliation if they do.

 

[eaf-f16]

Boy what splendid allies to have aren't they? A regular Democratic institution. And I remember reports of Saudis sniveling about how we were supposedly discriminating against Muslims after 9/11. Maybe if we just lopped their heads off for being Muslims they would have understood. Do they still beat Christians in the street if they are seen with a crucifix around their necks?



Nor do I respect them. The thought of beheading someone simply for their religious beliefs enrages me. And so many simple minded people blame America for the situation over there?

Sorry Mods, I'll leave it alone. But I do despise terrorists and their supporters. Death to tyrants!

Just to clarify I wasn't supporting Saudi law I was just presenting it to prove that Saudi is not concerned about Israeli diplomatic relations. Personally I think this is wrong but Israel's human rights record isn't exactly squeaky clean either and America may rank in the top 10 worst human rights violators in the world.

I think the Israelis don't respect Saudi because they don't present such a great threat to them even if they violated their air space and they know there will be no retaliation if they do.

 

[Rich]

and America may rank in the top 10 worst human rights violators in the world.

HaHa, thats precious.nfloorl: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18596479/

The eight countries judged to have the worst records on political rights and civil liberties were Myanmar, Cuba, Libya, North Korea, Somalia, Sudan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan. Similarly branded for particularly repressive behavior were two territories, Chechnya and Tibet.

Ranked slightly above the group were Belarus, China, Ivory Coast, which is new to the list, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Laos, Saudi Arabia, Syria and Zimbabwe. The contested African territory of Western Sahara was in this grouping, as well.

And then we have the UN leading the fight for human rights.nfloorl:
http://www.heritage.org/Research/WorldwideFreedom/bg2038.cfm
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cach...an+rights+violators&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=22&gl=us

Back to topic,nfloorl: , exuse me. If anyone has ever been on a remote part , of a remote airbase, at 0300, its amazing some of the stuff you can see. Ive seen stuff I still cant explain but I would not say they were anything but man made unless there was evidence to the contrary. Thing is stuff is falling from space all the time and even standard airplanes can look weird if conditions are right.

 

[radiosilence]

Boy what splendid allies to have aren't they?

Maybe you and your neocon brigade can march on the white house and demand they cut all ties with non democractic countries.

Maybe if we just lopped their heads off for being Muslims they would have understood.

Moronic statements like this is not surprising coming from you but where are mods? or is it ok to make statements like this now?

 

[Izzy1]

or is it ok to make statements like this now?

I appreciate the Mods are busy and can't catch everything immediately, but I am concerned by the increasing frequency of this and similar statements on other DT threads (from various sources) that seem able to slip by.

 

[pshamim]

No Mods are not sleeping. They are watching.

if the insults and bigotry continues some on this forum may find themselves banned.

 

[metro]

i hope that the individual insults are left aside and that we don't go off-topic

I completely agree. I'm not sure why "eaf" responded the way he did to my post. I really wanted to reply in kind to that post, but in the end I think ignoring it was the right thing for me to do. I think those kind of posts have no other purpose than to incite some of what followed. Like you, I think if people just kept their extremely "poorly worded" statements off the board in the first place, a thread like this could be discussed in a ciivil manor. Debate is one thing, "Flame bait" is another.

Anyway, that's my opinion on that... back to the topic at hand.

this is the last info i had about the incident from people in KFAB and Tabuk :

1- the F-15's weren't scrambled exept when the flying object was seen on the Radar screens of KFAB.

2- all the RSAF and RSADF units in the area were on alert and on high readiness. it was an Unusual Second Degree Situation. (if someone knows what this mean then please tell)

3- the UFO escaped. its purpose , its target and even its path is unknown. it is not a meteorite nor a falling satellite (and certainly not a flying saucer with little green men on board ).

4- its surely an aircraft , probably an israeli one , testing its ability to violate the Saudi airspace and hide from radars or testing the RSAF and RSADF readiness (maybe the israeli air force wants to see the possibility of violating the Saudi Air Space and head to Iran without being detected by ground radars) . there are alot of possibilities


there is a mistake in the main article i forgot to mention . i have translated the article precisely but the mistake is the two towns Amlaj and Al Wajh are actually to the south or the south west of Tabuk city , not the west.

my only mistake is that the author's name is Naif Al Yanefi (not Al Nayefi) and i've just edited that

Thanks for the translating the article!

0) My understanding is that there are no where near 40 F-15s (as stated by another poster) at Tabuk? Am I wrong, or is it just the 2nd wing there?

1) Here's a question, once the KFAB radar picked up the flying object, why were those who scrambled the F-15s, unable to pick up the direction the flying object was moving in?

2) Just a guess, but could have been because of what was going on in Gaza and possibly a fear of a spill over into the West Bank. My other guess (based upon a statement by the head of Egypt's Intel, is that Egypt decided to support Hamas and allow a lot of weapons into Gaza, because he said that Fatah was supporting Al-qaeda within Gaza and the Sinai. Egypt decided it would be in their best interest according to him, that Fatah was removed by Hamas in Gaza, and Egypt is/will continue to support Hamas.
-I will post the article at the end of this post.

3) Goes to my first question... except I want someone in the world to find little green men

4) Unless you know something other than what you're able to post, I'm not sure why you conclude it was an Israeli plane? Israel is a busy country with many headache's surrounding them right now, as you could imagine. Jordan is the only country that directly boarders Israel, which Israel doesn't have to worry about, based on their relations.

Going on to the east, Saudi Arabia is not a threat to Israel and Vice-Versa. Sure they could be, but neither country is interested in having a problem arise with each other. I'm not sure why "EAF" said what he did about Israel/Jews or Saudi Arabia. SA and Israeli/Jews, have high level discussions quite frequently.

As I said, when our VP Cheaney was in the region recently, he went to an "Air Show" at Tabuk. Later, he met with the Mubarak, Abdullah (Jordan), Olmert, and a very high (emphasis) ranking official from SA.

Olmert has met with Prince Bandar, one on one (not in Israel).
If you haven't read Prince Bandar's book, he speaks pretty openly about several meetings and events with Israelis in the US (Even in the Israeli embassy). He attended a conference in NY (I'm pretty sure it was NY and not DC) that was a Jewish Conference on anti-semitism. Despite what may or may not be reported in many places or papers (unfortunately politics gets in the way), Israel and SA have high level contacts, especially recently. This goes for the UAE and Israel too. Among other high level officials, I believe Peres was on television there in a "discussion" with students asking questions.

Again, if you have not done so already, I'd encourage you to read Prince Bandar's Book; you'll see that relations go back a couple decades.

Please also note that Mubarak, Abduallah (Jr) Olmert, and Abbas are meeting on monday I believe. If anyone saw the very first accounts of the meeting to take place, the High Ranking Saudi Official (Same name as the King of Jordan) was going to be there. After it was reported it was suddenly denied and then, "strangely," Olmert is "offering a invitation to the person, and is hopeful that he will highly consider attending the important meeting."
IMO, the person will attend.

As for "eaf's" comment, our ex-secretary of Defense was Jewish and yes, he was in SA several times and somehow survived.

Iran's relations with Israel, are not the same (to say the least).

But to get back to the last point: I think it's not that wise to make assumptions, especially when there is nothing more pointing to an "Israeli plane" than anything else in the world. Israel has more important things going on than testing Saudi defenses/radar... especially when I think that we make the Radars that you guys/SA have deployed. I'm guessing that Israel already knows the capability.

I've got to sleep for a few minutes b4 work,
Peace

Here's the article I promised--I can't link it it's PWP, so I have to copy/paste (Mods, please just delete if this is a problem, I have cited the item):

Egypt's intel chief decided Hamas takeover served Cairo's interests

LONDON — Egypt has cooperated with Hamas in allowing shipments of weapons, munitions and explosives that facilitated the Islamic takeover of the Gaza Strip last week, Western intelligence sources said.
Egypt concluded that a Hamas takeover would halt or reduce insurgency infiltration in the Sinai Peninsula.

"The Egyptians were in the picture as early as several weeks ago," an intelligence source said. Hamas leader Khaled "Masha'al discussed the Fatah strategic threat and said Hamas would stop [Fatah security chief Mohammed] Dahlan at any cost."

[On June 18, a Palestinian was killed and 20 others were injured in a gun battle between Israeli soldiers and Palestinians at a border crossing in the northern Gaza Strip. The Popular Resistance Committees said it fired on Israeli soldiers.]

In a recent telephone conversation with Egyptian intelligence chief Gen. Omar Suleiman, Masha'al said Dahlan and his allies were working with Al Qaida-aligned groups to undermine Hamas in the Gaza Strip. The source quoted Masha'al as saying that Fatah was allowing Al Qaida to infiltrate the Sinai Peninsula to facilitate attacks on the regime of President Hosni Mubarak.

"Masha'al's bottom line was that Hamas was going to launch an offensive," the source said. "In the end, Suleiman became convinced that this would serve Egyptian interests."

By June 15, Hamas gained control of the entire Gaza Strip, including the borders with Egypt and Israel. Over the past three days, the source said, Hamas has received an unprecedented amount of weapons smuggled from Sinai, including enhanced Katyusha rockets, anti-aircraft and anti-tank missiles.

"Hamas got rid of Fatah and Egypt is now allowing the transfer of all the weapons Hamas wants," an Israeli military source said.

Hamas has also acquired thousands of semi-automatic rifles and hundreds of rocket-propelled grenade launchers, mortars and other weapons from arsenals of the Presidential Guard and Preventive Security Apparatus. The weapons were seized in cooperation with Hamas agents who infiltrated the two Palestinian Authority agencies loyal to PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas.

Following the Hamas takeover, Egypt has withdrawn its security presence from the Gaza Strip. Still, Suleiman maintains nearly daily contact with Hamas leaders on security and intelligence issues.

Dahlan had angered Egypt by promoting Al Qaida elements in the Gaza Strip. Dahlan gave former aide Mumtaz Dughmosh nearly $1 million to fight Hamas and attack Egypt's representative office as well as Internet cafes, and cellular phone and video stores as part of an Al Qaida-inspired campaign against Western influence.

"Dughmosh established the 'Army of Islam' as a cover by Dahlan to attract Al Qaida elements, blow up rival businesses and destabilize the Gaza Strip," another Western intelligence source said. "Dughmosh also used his people to attack Egyptian security officers in Gaza in an attempt to stage a provocation."

On July 11, Masha'al ordered the Hamas offensive against Fatah. The order was prompted by a Fatah attack on the home of Prime Minister Ismail Haniya, the political leader of Hamas.

Within days, most of the Fatah military leadership was either killed, captured or fled the Gaza Strip. On June 18, Hamas granted an amnesty to NSF commander Brig. Gen. Jamal Qaid, PG commander Mesbah Buhaisi and his deputy Hamouda Al Sheik, Fatah commanders Tawfiq Abu Khousa and Majed Abu Shamaleh.

Other Fatah commanders granted amnesty were identified as Abed Elal Al Ghoul, Ali Ahmed Ali, Khaldun Hijo, Durgham Saber and Mohammed Jadallah Buhaisi. Hamas's military wing, the Izzedin Kassam Brigades, said several Fatah leaders have been placed on trial.

"The brigades stressed that what happened was not against Fatah rather against the traitors in these services especially who belong to Dahlan branch," Hamas said in a statement on June 18. "We appreciate the position of many members of the security services who have surrendered themselves and handed over their weapons."


Geostrategy-Direct, www.geostrategy-direct.com, June 27, 2007

 

[AussiePatriot]

Going on to the east, Saudi Arabia is not a threat to Israel and Vice-Versa. Sure they could be, but neither country is interested in having a problem arise with each other.

What possible threat could Saudi Arabia pose to Israel?

 

[metro]

What possible threat could Saudi Arabia pose to Israel?

No offense to anyone! That's pretty much the point. Therefore, the list of priorities that Israel has, does not contain: Testing Saudi's.
But that's just my opinion.

 

[eaf-f16]

I completely agree. I'm not sure why "eaf" responded the way he did to my post. I really wanted to reply in kind to that post, but in the end I think ignoring it was the right thing for me to do. I think those kind of posts have no other purpose than to incite some of what followed. Like you, I think if people just kept their extremely "poorly worded" statements off the board in the first place, a thread like this could be discussed in a ciivil manor. Debate is one thing, "Flame bait" is another.

Going on to the east, Saudi Arabia is not a threat to Israel and Vice-Versa. Sure they could be, but neither country is interested in having a problem arise with each other. I'm not sure why "EAF" said what he did about Israel/Jews or Saudi Arabia. SA and Israeli/Jews, have high level discussions quite frequently.

As I said, when our VP Cheaney was in the region recently, he went to an "Air Show" at Tabuk. Later, he met with the Mubarak, Abdullah (Jordan), Olmert, and a very high (emphasis) ranking official from SA.

Olmert has met with Prince Bandar, one on one (not in Israel).
If you haven't read Prince Bandar's book, he speaks pretty openly about several meetings and events with Israelis in the US (Even in the Israeli embassy). He attended a conference in NY (I'm pretty sure it was NY and not DC) that was a Jewish Conference on anti-semitism. Despite what may or may not be reported in many places or papers (unfortunately politics gets in the way), Israel and SA have high level contacts, especially recently. This goes for the UAE and Israel too. Among other high level officials, I believe Peres was on television there in a "discussion" with students asking questions.

Again, if you have not done so already, I'd encourage you to read Prince Bandar's Book; you'll see that relations go back a couple decades.

Please also note that Mubarak, Abduallah (Jr) Olmert, and Abbas are meeting on monday I believe. If anyone saw the very first accounts of the meeting to take place, the High Ranking Saudi Official (Same name as the King of Jordan) was going to be there. After it was reported it was suddenly denied and then, "strangely," Olmert is "offering a invitation to the person, and is hopeful that he will highly consider attending the important meeting."
IMO, the person will attend.

As for "eaf's" comment, our ex-secretary of Defense was Jewish and yes, he was in SA several times and somehow survived.

Iran's relations with Israel, are not the same (to say the least).

I think you mistook my comments as being insulting to Judaism.This is the law as told to me by Saudis (I have lived in Saudi for 15 years) .I was stating that to make clear to you Saudi's don't like Israelis or don't want to appear to like Israelis (Iranians hate Americans, or appear to hate them, but there is high levels of communication between USN and Iran's military as I stated before).

Saudi Arabia dose not stop ANY American from going in as the American passport dose not state religone and are allowed in. Israeli passport carriers however are banned from entering the country. This might explain why your ex- Secretary of Defense was allowed in.

I also stated that this Saudi law goes against my personal beliefs.

I was not aware of discussions between the Saudis and the Israelis. I apologize for posting that they didn't when i wasn't truly sure that they did have relations.

Please don't misunderstand my comments as being insulting to anyone or any group of people, I was only trying to contribute to the discussion with the best of my knowledge about Saudi-Israeli relations, which proved to be very little. I sencerly apologize if I have offended you.

 

[metro]

I think you mistook my comments as being insulting to Judaism.This is the law as told to me by Saudis (I have lived in Saudi for 15 years) .I was stating that to make clear to you Saudi's don't like Israelis or don't want to appear to like Israelis (Iranians hate Americans, or appear to hate them, but there is high levels of communication between USN and Iran's military as I stated before).

Saudi Arabia dose not stop ANY American from going in as the American passport dose not state religone and are allowed in. Israeli passport carriers however are banned from entering the country. This might explain why your ex- Secretary of Defense was allowed in.

I also stated that this Saudi law goes against my personal beliefs.

I was not aware of discussions between the Saudis and the Israelis. I apologize for posting that they didn't when i wasn't truly sure that they did have relations.

Please don't misunderstand my comments as being insulting to anyone or any group of people, I was only trying to contribute to the discussion with the best of my knowledge about Saudi-Israeli relations, which proved to be very little. I sencerly apologize if I have offended you.

It's not necessary to apologize to me, although I do appreciate your recognition that sometimes words aren't expressed in the right way or one can learn from anything (something most people are here to do). No, I'm not offended, and I think what you said in a couple different paragraphs of the last post, shows an understanding of what I was trying to get at.

Just as in many things, in exact terms, having to do with the military (e.g. simple camoflauge), "appearance and reality" are not always the same thing at all. Also, contributing with knowledge you have is something everyone can gain from. There are a lot of people here who have tremendous knowledge of almost all defense topics--I'm not one of them, just trying to learn as much as possible about what I don't know--most of them will gladly answer questions. Fortunately, with so many cultures and people here, we have the opportunity to learn a lot. Unfortunately with so many people from various countries, we have all written things which, maybe on second thought, could have been worded differently. This just leads to threads going downhill.

IMO, asking questions when something doesn't seem to make sense can clear up a lot of things. For example, when you were saying that the Saudis you lived with, "don't like Israelis," I would have been interested to know how many of them has met a single Israeli.

Take it easy eaf!
Peace

 

[SaudiArabian]

guys there's a weird video taken by mobile phone camera and been widely transfered through bluetooth technology on mobile phones accross the Kingdom ,

its on Youtube too and mentions its about 300 km north of Jeddah and that is the same area where the UFO was detected

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MnTTQUh99E"]YouTube - Saudi Arabia---UFO[/ame]

i have doubts but the video is too real even the man who has taken the video was scared when these things came close to him

could this video be fake ??












>>> edited by me
the video above is 100% fake , sorry :s .. its another (israeli-HIV-melons)-type rumor video

 

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could this video be fake ??

Yep - same animation from Haiti a little while back - interesting though