F/A-22: To Fly High or Get its Wings Clipped

[Wale14]

yep i totally agree, the F-22 is the best fighter jet in the sky though i was still kind of shocked by the killing of 8 F-16's in less than 15 minutes. Thats some crazy skill right there.

i really like how the AAM missiles can come out of the fuselage of the F-22 Raptor. The stealth is crazy, its compared to the stealth of a F-117 Nighthawk. Theres not one 90 degree angle on the exterior of the F-22 Raptor.

Probably my favourite feature of the jet is the thrust vectoring. The speed of elavation is crazy. The F-22 Raptor can go from sea level to Mt.Everest in less that 45 seconds

F-22 is a great jet but it wont be long till another country tops the capabilites and skills of the f-22.

the russians are currently under development of the T-50 which is supposed to have its first flight in 2009.

the eurofighter typhoon is probably the closest jet to match up with the f-22

 

[gf0012-aust]

yep i totally agree, the F-22 is the best fighter jet in the sky though i was still kind of shocked by the killing of 8 F-16's in less than 15 minutes. Thats some crazy skill right there.

i really like how the AAM missiles can come out of the fuselage of the F-22 Raptor. The stealth is crazy, its compared to the stealth of a F-117 Nighthawk. Theres not one 90 degree angle on the exterior of the F-22 Raptor.

Probably my favourite feature of the jet is the thrust vectoring. The speed of elavation is crazy. The F-22 Raptor can go from sea level to Mt.Everest in less that 45 seconds

A 747 Jumbo jet doesn't have any 90 degree angles externally either....

and the F-22 LO stats are lower than the stinkbug. thats one of the reasons why the USAF is happy toretire the fleet earlier, the F-22 has broader capability and better LO numbers.

 

[Rich]

F-22 is a great jet but it wont be long till another country tops the capabilites and skills of the f-22.

the russians are currently under development of the T-50 which is supposed to have its first flight in 2009.

the eurofighter typhoon is probably the closest jet to match up with the f-22

Really? And what Jet is going to "top" the F-22? And how?

Why dont you tell us about it?

 

[Ozzy Blizzard]

Really? And what Jet is going to "top" the F-22? And how?

Why dont you tell us about it?

i dont see that happeneing for annother 30 yrs, and the "other" nation will be the USAF, with next gen UCAV's.

 

[Wale14]

i dont see that happeneing for annother 30 yrs, and the "other" nation will be the USAF, with next gen UCAV's.

30 years insn't such a long time in history, even 50 years insn't a very long time in terms of history. thats y i said that it wont be long till theres a better plane than the f-22

 

[Tasman]

30 years insn't such a long time in history, even 50 years insn't a very long time in terms of history. thats y i said that it wont be long till theres a better plane than the f-22

In 10, 20, 30 or 50 years there may well be a better air combat fighter than the F-22. It may well be developed by the USAF! No doubt other countries such as Russia, China, UK and France will all try to develop a better fighter than the F-22 but at this stage making claims that it will happen or when it will happen is pure speculation, IMHO.

Cheers

 

[Wale14]

In 10, 20, 30 or 50 years there may well be a better air combat fighter than the F-22. It may well be developed by the USAF! No doubt other countries such as Russia, China, UK and France will all try to develop a better fighter than the F-22 but at this stage making claims that it will happen or when it will happen is pure speculation, IMHO.

Cheers

yea, i never said that even the U.S might create a better jet, but in about 25-30 years, there will be a better jet than the f-22.

the f-15 used to be the best jet at its time and its first flight was in 1972. it was the f-22 at its time. but not long after that, in the 1980's the f-22 raptor was developed and had its first flight in 1997. see the difference in years that a top jet was replaced by another one??

the same thing will happen in about 25-30 years. the f-22 will be replaced by even a better jet with better capabilites

cheers

 

[jaffo4011]

im yet to be convinced at what the f22 is the best fighter out there.......what i do constantly hear about is manufacturer's hype translated onto these pages without substance.....

certainly in the wvr scenario its coming off second best to the typhoon in its encounters to date and its stealth abilities dont seem to be quite they were cracked up to be(for example documented reports of radar locks by the typhoon on the raptor during bvr combat)

i think that it will be good for the f22 to meet up with with its competitors at next years red flag where hopefully it will start living up to its expectations in the real world rather than just on paper..... :nutkick

 

[gf0012-aust]

im yet to be convinced at what the f22 is the best fighter out there.......what i do constantly hear about is manufacturer's hype translated onto these pages without substance.....

certainly in the wvr scenario its coming off second best to the typhoon in its encounters to date and its stealth abilities dont seem to be quite they were cracked up to be(for example documented reports of radar locks by the typhoon on the raptor during bvr combat)

i think that it will be good for the f22 to meet up with with its competitors at next years red flag where hopefully it will start living up to its expectations in the real world rather than just on paper..... :nutkick

Manufacturers hype?

"I can't see the [expletive deleted] thing," said RAAF Squadron Leader Stephen Chappell, exchange F-15 pilot in the 65th Aggressor Squadron. "It won't let me put a weapons system on it, even when I can see it visually through the canopy. [Flying against the F-22] annoys the hell out of me."

RAF currently have an exchange pilot flying the F-22 - I believe his comments are in here somewhere.

And, an apparent posted by an EA-6B pilot who posts at the ARC forums:

Overhead yesterday at the duty desk, from TOPGUN's BFM SME, who had the chance to fight a Raptor piloted by our exchange (RAF) dude -

"that thing is <expletive deleted> magic"

"the laws of physics do not apply to that airplane"

 

[rjmaz1]

i think that it will be good for the f22 to meet up with with its competitors at next years red flag where hopefully it will start living up to its expectations in the real world rather than just on paper..... :nutkick

Like the Indian exercise where the F-15's got slaughtered on purpose by the SU-30's?

Simulations does not equal the real world. If the USAF declared war on Europe you'd then see how pathetic the Eurofighter really is.

The best thing the F-22 could do at Red flag would be to use up its missiles and then get interntionally shot down by one of the remaining Eurofighters. Then the USAF can say that it needs more F-22's as they are getting outnumbered.

Then people such as yourself will declare the Eurofighter as an almighty aircraft, when in fact if it was a real war the F-22's would have downed all of the Eurofighters.

Hopefully some middle eastern customers will then buy the Eurofighter thinking they can match the F-22.. boy how wrong would they be.. Making the enemy over confident is an excellent tactic that has been used throughout history.

 

[Rich]

im yet to be convinced at what the f22 is the best fighter out there.......what i do constantly hear about is manufacturer's hype translated onto these pages without substance.....

certainly in the wvr scenario its coming off second best to the typhoon in its encounters to date and its stealth abilities dont seem to be quite they were cracked up to be(for example documented reports of radar locks by the typhoon on the raptor during bvr combat)

i think that it will be good for the f22 to meet up with with its competitors at next years red flag where hopefully it will start living up to its expectations in the real world rather than just on paper..... :nutkick

This excellent forum is becoming more and more a haven for people who dont know the first thing about defense matters and instead express their political views with their unsupported statements, some of which, like this one, border on lunacy.

 

[rabs]

Now I'l admit, I am a bit of a novice but

plus the eurofighter has a better speed overall at high altitudes as well as low altitudes.

I don't think thats true, especially with a combat load.

F-22's airframe is not dirtied up by missiles and such.

1 F-22 engine has almost as much power as both eurofighters engines combined that are going on afterburner.

Wikipedia list F-22s top speed at Mach 2.42, EuroFighters at 2.2.

22 also has a higher thrust to weight ratio


Also, an aim-9 AMRAAM doesn't exist, theres something like an Asraam though. Typing that made me realize the brits cant name things very well.

[ Admin, It might be an idea to identify whether you were joking when you made this comment - otherwise you're treading on disrespect issues - ie forum standards etc.... ]

 

[swerve]

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Also, an aim-9 AMRAAM doesn't exist, theres something like an Asraam though. Typing that made me realize the brits cant name things very well.

Asraam was conceived as a complement to AMRAAM, as part of a transatlantic joint missile development programme. Hence the name. Unfortunately, the short-range part of it fell apart: the Germans dropped out & went on to develop Iris-T (with others), the USA dropped out & developed AIM-9X, & we were left with Asraam. So we finished the development on our own & put it into production.

 

[JWCook]

Interesting thread, FWIW the F-22 is the top BVR platform, its not unbeatable but very very good, WVR Typhoon and Raptor are roughly equal, or will be when the F-22 gets its HMD to even things out.

ASRAAM

http://www.eurofighter-typhoon.co.uk/common/AA/asraam.html

Cheers

 

[jaffo4011]

Interesting thread, FWIW the F-22 is the top BVR platform, its not unbeatable but very very good, WVR Typhoon and Raptor are roughly equal, or will be when the F-22 gets its HMD to even things out.

ASRAAM

http://www.eurofighter-typhoon.co.uk/common/AA/asraam.html

Cheers

the voice of reason.good points made which i concur with.im not sure that they can be argued with,even by the most passionate supporter of either system.

 

[jaffo4011]

This excellent forum is becoming more and more a haven for people who dont know the first thing about defense matters and instead express their political views with their unsupported statements, some of which, like this one, border on lunacy.

ahem...ive supported my comments on the bvr/wvr aspects of the typhoon and f22 encounter on several threads ,which i dont see the point of repeating again.my source for the information is a qualified one which,if you care to check out,can be found on the 'aircraft speed' thread on this forum.

im not political on this issue at all,but i dont like to see unsupported comments from other writers too......i sincerly hope that we do see some good results from the raptor and typhoon at red flag next year,because lets face it,they are the only two allied platforms that will realistically face opponants in air to air combat in the near future.

 

[Raptor.22]

ahem...ive supported my comments on the bvr/wvr aspects of the typhoon and f22 encounter on several threads ,which i dont see the point of repeating again.my source for the information is a qualified one which,if you care to check out,can be found on the 'aircraft speed' thread on this forum.

im not political on this issue at all,but i dont like to see unsupported comments from other writers too......i sincerly hope that we do see some good results from the raptor and typhoon at red flag next year,because lets face it,they are the only two allied platforms that will realistically face opponants in air to air combat in the near future.

i agree, too many people are thinking of the f-22 and eurofighter to be enemies rather than the two top fighter jets in the world. they are allies and like jaffo said, they will be serving together in the future, not against

 

[yess]

F-22 is still detectable!

the rcs of F-22 is 0.0001 m2. as it comes closer to radar its rcs increases but not significantly but at distance of 40 km its rcs comes close to detectable range from 0.0001 m2 to about 0.001 and eventually at 16-20 km it becomes visible to radar!

 

[Rich]

the rcs of F-22 is 0.0001 m2. as it comes closer to radar its rcs increases but not significantly but at distance of 40 km its rcs comes close to detectable range from 0.0001 m2 to about 0.001 and eventually at 16-20 km it becomes visible to radar!

What radar is this? This is an awfully bold statement to make using only one paragraph.

 

[yess]

What radar is this? This is an awfully bold statement to make using only one paragraph.

. it can only be detected by a powerful radar with atlest 250 MW such as an AWAC but only from a distence of 20 km and not more then that..
The russian infra-red guided short range air-to-air missile R-74ME will aquire the F-22 at less then 8 km.